/fog/ - Fallout General

Did I post synth Curie?

And you're no longer "you" once you go through the molecular relay.

How long did the Institute spend developing Synths. From Gen1 to Gen3.

So I'm playing new vegas. I'm in novac, doing Boone's quest. I grab the sale document prior to starting the quest, talk to boone, start the quest, and have him shoot Jeanie May. I can't get him to accept the evidence and he acts like I don't have it. I can only tell him I was bullshitting when I chose Jeanie May.

Is there a fix? Can I fix the quest with console commands?

I trust you boys have been purchasing our "creations" off the Creation Club™

If you magically transplanted my consciousness into another body, an animal or a computer or whatever, I would still be me. Curie's consciousness was just transplanted into a different body.

This was even easier than with a human since she has a behavior core that you can access and literally transfer the files like a USB drive.

In this case, you could even theoretically copy the files and have 2 curies, and you would "birth" a new individual.

The robotic parts on the floor in the lab had it's files transferred, so it was indeed just an empty shell.

So worry not user.

I don't think any specific date is ever given for the start of the project. They must have been already researching it by the time Shaun was kidnapped in 2227, and the earliest confirmed Gen 3 was in 2229.

Drop the document and pick it back up again?

I didn't need to, since you took the liberty of downloading them onto my computer for me, Todd.

But you can't "transplant" a consciousness. If you were about to die and tried to transfer your memories into someone else's body, it wouldn't be YOU going into THEIR body, it would be YOU dying and the other person becoming convinced that they are you.

Don't forget that the T-60 exists, and is in the hands of what seems to be the National Guard (A branch that sits pretty low on the priority list and doesn't get something until the Army has long accepted it) even though the T-51 is clearly stated to be the pinnacle of mass produced power armor in the VDSG. Why the hell would the National Guard be using prototype armor that hasn't reached full scale production instead of sending it off to the Chinese front? It seems like a waste of equipment.

It's a note, goes to the pipboy log, not inventory.

Thanks for bringing my autistic lore rant to the new thread. I was just going to leave it, but you make a great fucking point.

OH

How cute, you still think that personhood is a thing.

we are our consciousnesses. If my consciousness shows up in the computer or the empty synth body or whatever, then I do indeed live on.

Likewise, If I remove someone's consciousness and leave an empty body that lays around, I've killed them.

Try adding it to your inventory again with the console

player.additem b83cc 1

>food riot outside of a super duper mart
Thinking about this, I wonder where people in Sanctuary got their food, it seemed to be a suburb of Concord and Concord didn't have any supermarket.

Nate/Nora living in an apartment in Lexington before moving to the Sanctuary, having to get food and getting past a riot without access to weapons or guns would be interesting. Not enough talking branching quests.

Plus, talking to Myron back in Fallout 2 where he said that american cattle herds all had to be culled because they tried out some experimental protein that turned their dung into methamphetamines(jet) would mean a huge food panic in the years before the war.

I'm just wondering how many years and resources they lumped into synths when it just looks like it's caused nothing but problems over sixty years at minimum.

If this doesn't work, maybe spawn a new one and pick it up. Might just be a flag that says "Picked up this item during the quest."

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Do me a favor and delete that dolphin porn you've acquired and download our "creations" through more legitimate means,

Remember that towns, roads, and everything in all three games are hyper condensed and done so that there is a landmark or notable location in every direction in just a few steps. While Lexington might be the nearest Super Duper Market in the game, it's hard to say whether or not Concord had one because it wouldn't make sense to have two in-game right next to each other.

It's a good example of doubling down, or the lost time fallacy.

They really should have stopped, taken a few steps back, and went forward with just making better robots instead of barrelling forward on this track that lead to unhappy slaves who rebel.

But, whether through pride or just sunken time fallacy, they continue making synths who have the capacity to hate them, and just threaten to kill them when they show signs of wanting a different life.

I don't know what all this talk of Dolphins is Todd, I downloaded my copy of Fallout 4™ through the Steam platform. Your "creations" were put into the game against my will!

It is why I cannot take the Institute seriously. They sound like the most extreme example of dumb smart people around and then mismanaged to all hell - I'm pretty sure the the Big MT accomplished more by accident over their years of absent-minded fiddling.

>Caitfag keeps making these shitty OPs

Shit, Compare House and Big MT to the Institute. Makes you wonder...

the proper pasta for starting a thread and a random fallout image are not shitty op's.

And the worst part is they don't even have the decency to take responsibility for the fuck-up. Father pulls out the "guns don't kill people" argument to wash his hands of a synth-turned-raider because the Railroad wiped that synth's memory, ignoring the fact that the Institute are the ones who created and subjugated it in the first place and drove it to WANT that memory wipe.

To transfer your sense of awareness you would have to do something elaborate like replace each neuron in your brain one by one with something synthetic so that the electrical impulses are never disrupted.

The institute is not at fault for the raider synths

Pretty much. Their interactions with the surfacers are a lot more examples of dumb smart people too.

But we should keep in mind that they're intentionally written to be controversial, since they're the main antagonists of all 3 other main factions as well as the wastelanders in general. So a lot of their dumb-ness is a plot mcguffin.

why are they shitty user? Just [character] edition and they contain all the stuff the op should contain.

>vault girl will never be your wife.

I don't get this. Guns DON'T kill people. You need someone to actually pull the trigger on the firing mechanism.

Synths don't WANT brain wipes. The Railroad tells them its the best path. Even DiMa tells you that what they're doing is absurd because all it does is harm them further and the new connections they've made when they're found.

They're as much at fault for a Synth going Raider as the rain on a cloudy day.

user, we at Bethesda™ knew you'd purchase our "creations" off the Creation Club™ so we took the liberty of having them pre-downloaded so you wouldn't have to wait after purchase. As you already know, here at Bethesda™ we are always innovating new ways of doing right by our customers and I hope you appreciate how consumer friendly we are as a company compared to the competition.
Also do me a favor and and quit being a smart-aleck before I come pay you a visit

I'm annoyed that they didn't include "vault city" style walls in the vault tec pack. Feels weird to just put up vault pre-fab rooms on the surface without covering them up in concrete.

Mr. House would literally have seen the whole Synths rebelling against the Institute thing coming from a mile away.

House didn't see every single person he dealt with rebelling against him. All of them. Guy spent 100% of his time with his sexbot for nearly 160 years and only realized time had passed when a NCR scout literally knocked on his front door.

So we're doing the fuck the Railroad thing? Because that's fine, I hate them too.

I only like the Minutemen for their dedication to the Commonwealth, and the Brotherhood for recognizing a cancer that needs to be erased from existence. A Brotherhood-Minutemen victory is truly the best outcome for the Commonwealth.

>why

Simple. t-60 was not in production enough to start supplying it on a large enough scale to replace all t-51. Considering there must be differences in logistical requirements and training the mechanics would need they opted not to try and 'hot swap' these skillsets in with the established t-51 use, but instead wait for production and logistical experience to mature enough that it could be done more viably on a large wartime scale.

So the national guard got all the first run t-60s as their infrastructure was easier to replace. Once production ramped up such that entire army battalions of t-51 could be replaced with t-60 simultaneously the main military would have acquired them, with the benefit of the national guard ironing out the kinks in earlier models.

It is possible that special units within the main army had t-60 as well for trial purposes, but actually replacing t-60 outright would have started with the national guard.

You also must consider that given the wartime situation spare parts meant for national guard use, or even entire suits of power armor, might have been diverted to the army, leaving the national guard already short on power armor.

Wow Buff woW

Didn't he pacify the tribes of Vegas before the NCR came along or did I misunderstand how that all went down?

Also, I have no idea what

>House didn't see every single person he dealt with rebelling against him. All of them.

means. Did you typo?

they should give the option to change the pip-boi icons to vault girl.

I'm about to play New Vegas again after a long while, what are some mods that allow me to just be a common grunt in the NCR? No big bad courier, just a simple NCR trooper.

>>X-01 Power Armor existing before the war.
A very early prototype that was only obtained through a bargaining of secrets. Enclave still finished it.
>>Jet being a prewar chem.
Fixing Black Isle's own mistake.
>>Vertibirds in use by U.S. Military before the war.
That I'll give you.
>>I guess ghouls don't need to eat, drink or BREATHE anymore?
They're beings that, at their most powerful, can revive others. Their regenerative capabilities make it so any lost limbs can simply be reattached. It's not a longshot of an idea for one to live off enough radiation to keep themselves alive for an extended period of time. It was more meant to fix how you fight ghouls in areas that have been locked for decades in sections of buildings.
>>Why are there Super Mutants in Boston?
Did you play the game? It answers that.
>>Why is the entire plot of Fallout 3 "muh clean water" when some housewife Popsicle can stick a rod of metal in the ground and have clean water?
The Basin had far, far higher levels of radiation. Also, FO3 didn't have a settlement system so using an abstraction of lore and gameplay mechanic as an argument is silly.
>>Previously military only items like the Super Sledge and Power fist were used on every Pre War construction site apparently.
They weren't military only and the Pwer Fist is literally just the pneumatic fist of the PA arm and the sledge was ADOPTED by the military because of their return to older war strategies.
>> I give less of a shit about this one since it's not really important but: Cats.
What about them? Cute i guess.

Vault-Tec was an Enclave or shadow government project. Ensuring the vault experiments happened were their #1 priority, going beyond even protecting america from the attack. There's no indication that the people in power armor at vault 111 entrance were really national guard units or even part of the real military.

All three of the the tribal groups House recruited turned on him and he didn't know.

The leader of the Chairmen tried to usurp the entire city.
The Omertas were in bed with Caesar and were planning to Columbine the Strip.
A faction within the White Gloves broke the rules and went back to practicing cannibalism.

>The Chairmen
>The Omertas
>The White Glove Society
All were betraying House. Chairmen:Benny subverting House's data network in a way he didn't understand or believe, Omertas: Preparing to take the strip by force, White Gloves: Trying to go back to cannibalism and turn the strip into a tribal hell hole.

And no, he pacified the tribes of Vegas, stole vault 21 so he could power some lights in Vegas and pretend the Hover Dam was operational. Talk to him with high speech, int and cha and you can get the real story out of him. Also the NCR dam engineers talk about how they had to completely re-build the dam's internal workings, to completely replace the turbines and generators because they hadn't worked in over a century.

No idea why Bethesda didn't add transparency to the visor, looks way better.

>A very early prototype that was only obtained through a bargaining of secrets. Enclave still finished it.
Don't give me that very early prototype shit. They straight up didn't exist until the Enclave made it happen. And they have no presence in Boston.
>Fixing Black Isle's own mistake.
It's a minor enough detail that I don't feel like arguing this one.
>They're beings that, at their most powerful, can revive others. Their regenerative capabilities make it so any lost limbs can simply be reattached. It's not a longshot of an idea for one to live off enough radiation to keep themselves alive for an extended period of time. It was more meant to fix how you fight ghouls in areas that have been locked for decades in sections of buildings.
I was specifically referring to the kid in the fridge, but it is dumb how ghouls exist in areas locked for decades. I'll concede because gameplay reasons here.
>Did you play the game? It answers that.
I'll rephrase that one. How are Super Mutants so prevalent despite the Institute ceasing experimentation with it? How did it get so out of control that every other ugly fucker you run into on the surface is a Super Mutant anyway?
>The Basin had far, far higher levels of radiation. Also, FO3 didn't have a settlement system so using an abstraction of lore and gameplay mechanic as an argument is silly.
You win because of gameplay again.
>They weren't military only and the Pwer Fist is literally just the pneumatic fist of the PA arm and the sledge was ADOPTED by the military because of their return to older war strategies.
They were military only until Fallout 4, and I wasn't criticizing the use of the Super Sledge by the U.S Military prewar, I was criticizing the civilian use of it. Because like the Power Fist, it was Military only.
>What about them? Cute i guess.
They're supposed to be extinct, but like I said it's unimportant so I don't really care...

I thought he sent the Courier to all the tribes specifically because he knew they were out for him?
So yeah, he pacified the tribes and stole Vault 21, and didn't just fuck off with Janey for 100 years.

Alright Tood, I'll go "purchase" your "creations" for the same amount of money you pay your "creators."

>So yeah, he pacified the tribes and stole Vault 21, and didn't just fuck off with Janey for 100 years.
He can do both. He fucked off with Jane for 160 years, NCR scout knocks on door, he does stuff in Vegas, then fucks again with Jane until the player meets him.

That's fair.

>They're supposed to be extinct

Institute did it.

I'm legitimately not sure if you're kidding or not.

What's that supposed to mean user? We pay our in house Creators a very hefty lump sum for the incredible quality they provide.

>They're supposed to be extinct
House said that he didn't see any cats inside the Lucky 38, therefore there are no cats anywhere.

They haven't been in any game besides Fallout 4, and more than one character in 2 mentions that they were hunted by Wastelanders into extinction. But I guess you couldn't know that, being a Bethshill who probably hasn't played any Fallout before 3.

>t-60 was not in production enough to start supplying it on a large enough scale to replace all t-51
>So the national guard got all the first run t-60s as their infrastructure was easier to replace. Once production ramped up such that entire army battalions of t-51 could be replaced with t-60 simultaneously the main military would have acquired them,
This would mean that the National Guard would be receiving the Army's T-51s and T-45s, not the other way around. When the Army has an upgrade to the Abrams, the National Guard isn't the first to get it and they're only really above Air Force and Navy in terms of priority for stuff like that.

>It is possible that special units within the main army had t-60 as well for trial purposes
>but actually replacing t-60 outright would have started with the national guard.
Field testing with the National Guard would be pointless and a waste of resources since guardsmen live normal civilian lives most of the month. Everything that could be found out with a field test on home soil could be done at the proving grounds.
That's also not how logistics work either. When the M16A2 got phased out in favor of the M4, the National Guard was one of the last branches to switch over alongside other less combative branches such as the Air Force and Navy. This goes for other things such as camouflage (UCP while the Army had already switched to OCP) and armor (M60 Pattons up until the 90s while the Army had Abrams).

>You also must consider that given the wartime situation spare parts meant for national guard use, or even entire suits of power armor, might have been diverted to the army, leaving the national guard already short on power armor.
Exactly. It would be a waste of resources and precious assets to give T-60s to the National Guard. Imagine if US soldiers during WWII were given original pattern Springfield 1903s and M3 Lee tanks while the guardsmen back home got M1s and M4E3 Shermans.

ONLY ONE character mentions cats in Fallout 2, and that's Stacy at Stacy at the Den you tard. She mentions he cat who died and that she hasn't seen an other one in years. She also hasn't left town, ever.

Because unpaid/underpaid interns can only do so much.

What were these specific t-60's guarding by the way? And does that location have any particular importance to the people who were running the US govt?

Not an argument but even if that was the case nobody is forcing them to work at Bethesda. If they think they're underpaid they can always migrate to a better company, and if they can't get a job at a better company then their lack of skill explains why they're being "underpaid" at Bethesda in the first place.

I turned character lighting off with cl off.
But now it won't come back on with cl on.
What do I do?

Try "cl 1".

But why?

Why would they still be using historically accurate subway tokens in 2077?

cl 1 didn't do anything.

To clarify, I still get the "character lighting is ON" message in the console, there's just no effect applied in game.

Reload to the point before you fucked everything?

Are you using ENB with DisableFakeLights on?

Yep, that solved it. Cheers, user.

>release an army of robots into the Commonwealth with a vague order
>don't even bother to check on them to make sure they're actually doing as told
Why is the Mechanist such a dumbass?

>release an army of super mutants into the Core Region with a vague order
>don't even bother to check on them to make sure they're actually fucking and getting pregnant
Why is the Master such a dumbass?

She is probably mildly autistic. Like, actual autistic, not internet meme autistic.

shes a legit autist

only through anonymity does she have the courage to do anything

What do you guys think about FCOM and WOTCW?

Shooting is the highpoint the game so might as well make content for it.

Piper is fat. FAT!

Because making mods that are more than swapping textures around or existing values actually takes effort.

She was constantly getting real-time feeds of data about how many enemies they killed, how many people they saved, and if they were following their programming.

It was a fault in the robobrains that caused them to report regular people as enemies killed, people killed as people saved, and verifying that they were indeed following their orders but they fucked up the orders so saying yes they're following them doesn't mean they were actually doing what she wanted.

She overlooked the robobrains being finicky and prone to messing up, she did not overlook being attentive to what they reported back.

How often do you read the time on your cell phone, and think to yourself "wait a minute, I should second guess what my phone is telling me, because my phone might have a hardware glitch". This isn't a perfect analogy, since robobrains are known to have defects and get bugs and phones aren't, but the point is she was constantly being told things were going well.

This is ultimately a moot point since either way she made a mistake that lead to everyone dying, but she at least followed a good procedure, just overlooked the actual hardware. Robobrains being known to be wonky and her not taking that into account is her fault though.

Any mod that makes trading better? Kind of tired of dropping into town and selling a Fat Man to the chem pusher...

If you're selling shit like weapons, you're doing a whole lot wrong.

Yeah, no, I'm going to collect every Fat Man I find and build a statue out of them.

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Immersive Gameplay does have some economy changes. Fewer random caps, items you find are slightly different, merchants prices are different.

If that's what you mean.

If you mean who buys what items, then not as far as I'm aware. You could think of it as the merchant is willing to buy whatever from you, because now they're going to spend their time getting a better price for it with another merchant at profit.

I'm looking for a mod that would add new map (like Far Harbor or Nuka World) that is nothing but ocean and settlement. I want to build Oil Rig settlement with nothing but water around me.

Can't find such mod so I'm asking how hard would it be to make mod like that in CK?

>This would mean that the National Guard would be receiving the Army's T-51s and T-45s, not the other way around. When the Army has an upgrade to the Abrams, the National Guard isn't the first to get it and they're only really above Air Force and Navy in terms of priority for stuff like that.

Thats in peace time however. Given the tensions of the time you have to assume things were operating more logistically under a wartime environment with massive infrastructure and logistics support systems in place to support immediate power projection. The national guard would be local to the manufacture and thus able to be more easily experimented with.

>field testing
Its not about the armor itself, its about the entire logistics chain required to support the armor.

>waste of resources
What an army needs is enough equipment that is good enough, not the best or latest. Military grade equipment is often not the best, its the most efficient and capable of maintaining vast logistical networks over.

In your ww2 example, the most advanced US tanks didn't see much actual combat, since it was logistically easier for them to just keep shipping more shermans. The same example can be applied to t51 vs t60. The most advanced US tanks were mostly just being massed and tested stateside and only a few got shipped across the atlantic. Its actually a perfect parallel to what im saying.

i want to nut in Nat

>tfw one of the reasons you like Isabel so much is that you relate