Why were so many Communists Jews?

Before you say go back to /Pol..

I am not one of those jewish conspiracy nuts outright, but it is a curious question, why were so many communists of jewish origin...Marx, the Bolsheviks, Lenin etc.

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew?
theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire
jasonbayz.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/a-critique-of-the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/
jstor.org.sci-hub.cc/stable/41477874?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
twitter.com/AnonBabble

because they're a superintelligent race

They were all Atheists though.

Marx's dad was a jew, but later became lutheran, and he raised Marx as a lutheran. He later became atheist.

Lenin was Orthodox christian until the death of his father.

Why are so many anti communists jews?

Before you say go back to /leftyPol..

I am not one of those jewish conspiracy nuts outright, but it is a curious question, why were so many anticommunists of jewish origin...Rand, Rothbard, Friedman etc.

Prior to the creation of Israel jews were always a minority in whatever nation they lived in viewed with suspicion and mostly harmless prejudice at best (in countries like America, and the UK), blatant antisemitism in others (france) or regular open violence at worst (this was a particularly bad problem for Russian jews prior to the revolution) so a movement that is against things like nationalism and religion was extremely appealing to a lot of jews. They would no longer be viewed as a hated minority in their own country, but as an equal. Its no surprise as well that Russia produced far more communist jews than any other nation.

Its worth noting that most jewish communists were hardcore atheists as well and disliked the idea of religion in general, including their own.

topkek

>blatant antisemitism in others (france)
France was very tolerant towards Jews though. Is it because of Dreyfus affair?

Really makes you think.

>le jewish lastname :DDD
sure thing, /pol/

>silverman
Will he become Goldman after he evolves?

Because Jews were either in two camps, speaking generally.

In feudal times, Christians had the power as only Christians could be lords at the time and feudalism means the land-owning lords have the power. Jews, just like everyone else, want power as well and the way some Jews did this is by becoming wealthy through banking and trading, things of this sort. Some Jews even became more wealthy than their Christian lords. Jews would often lend money to Christians because they weren't bound by usury laws. Once feudalism ended and capitalism became the dominant economic entity in Europe, many of the rich Jews (among others of course) held a lot of power. These people and the Jews they had influence over preached capitalism, and they belonged in this camp.

On the other end of the spectrum we have the Jews that did not become rich bankers and merchants. These people were attracted to communism for many reasons, some of them covered.

Other Jews were normal, everyday people.

>pure coincidence

This, same reason they're so many Jewish media folks, Jewish bankers, Jewish lawyers, Jewish doctors, Jewish capitalists. And every time you try to shoah them, progrom them, holocaust them, you just make them smarter, because you kill off the ones too dumb to escape, and the most cunning ones and smartest ones flee and find new homes, and they pass down their genes. Every time the white man chimps out about the Jews, he really is doing Jewish eugenics and making the Jew even stronger.

t. Eli "my parents died in the Holocaust" Shwarzkopsteinberg

You posting nothing but pure Æutism on here sure isn't

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You know how Hitler tried to neuter dumb Aryans to purify the gene pool? He did the same thing to the Jews and killed off all the dumb Jews.

We already know Hitler killed his own. Hitler has killed at least one of each group and species through out the universe. All by hand, of course. Can't beat that Aryan hand grip.

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Great thread guys

The same reason chinese minorities outside of china threw in their lot with communism. Hated minorities are drawn to politics that enfranchise them.

>The same reason chinese minorities outside of china threw in their lot with communism. Hated minorities are drawn to politics that enfranchise them.
Ah yes. The Asian Communist rebellions. Led by Chinese minorities such as...Filipino, Nepalese, & Indian farmers.

In Southeast Asia the Chinese tend to be refugees of the Civil War, of the Nationalist side. If anything they're more loyal to the dictators of that region because it kept the communists down.

The only difference was Indonesia and Malaysia. Because they're filthy Muslims. But even then only a minority of Chinese joined the communist parties of those lands.

Why are so many Republican politicians Irish?

>the naxal movement was by poor disenfranchised farmers
>not by bengali intelligensia who were too memetic for their own good.

I stand corrected but it still wasnt Chinese minorities.

Protip: Jews are intelligent people. In any intelligent circle you will find them over represented based on total population.

Do you seriously not understand what eugenics is? It's not about eugenics being evil. It's about Hitler succeeding on performing eugenics on Jews but not whites.

Dreyfus affair has more to do with how much French identified Jews with Germany (German last names, from Alsace, etc.) it isn't quite general antisemitism. The French culture is mostly Parisian cosmopolitanism spread over a large rural nation awkwardly, but Jews have a clear place in cosmopolitan culture

Similar to Protestantism, Judaism has always placed a great deal of stress on literacy, to ensure all followers can read scripture. Compare with Catholicism, which is much more hierarchical and has historically sought to restrict literacy to the priesthood.

>I am not one of those jewish conspiracy nuts

You don't have to apologise to the autistic commie redditors you fucking cuck.

Veeky Forums is an extension of /pol/ the commie neckbeards are the foreign element here.

>Jews are intelligent people

Wow just wow racist and sexist much? Are you implying that racial differences among "races" exist. That's scientific racism it's 2016 stop with your bigotry and White supremacy I just can't even...

>Veeky Forums is an extension of /pol/

no it's not you retarded stormfag, fuck off to your containment board and stop shitting up Veeky Forums

Butthurt autistic effeminate hysterical ugly commie neckbeard stay mad your tears are deliicous you genetic trash

Traditionally marginalized groups are more likely to support ideologies of liberation.

The joke is that in pretending to be retarded you actually come off as legit retarded.

Jews have a culture of going for certain professions, which require a lot of study. They are more educated and better off, and money also correlate to more intelligence.

Don't forget Goldwater, Kissinger, and half of the Neocons

This dude doesn't look autistic effeminate or hysterical. And he doesn't have a neckbeard. He literally looks like 50% of history students.

Are you serious?

not an argument

Reported

He doesn't look good nor bad, just average. He doesn't have hipster glasses. I can't see where his is effeminate in any way. He looks totally chilled and not hysterical at all. And having a beard is not having a neckbeard, so yes I am serious.
Note: I am a phd student with shaved head and face and he doesn't look like someone I would like to hang out with.

That's not exactly true, Irish break around 50/50 in terms of party. Same with Italians.

It's English, Scots-Irish, and German Americans who vow overwhelmingly Republican

>just average

Are you serious? Wow now I begin to understand how it's possible that every autist on lefty/pol/ says that he is above average but is still a kissless gross virgin.

>x is a, b and c
>but user it's not any of it
>well hurr jews are bad and leftpols never had sex
Way to go Cpt. Logic.

With zero sources!

This is the embodiment of Ad Hominem

>but is still a kissless gross virgin.
what the fuck does that have to do with economics and politics again?

But Jewish atheists are still considered jews within Jewish circles

This really fucking depend on what circles you are talking about. They certainly aren't considered Jews in Orthodox or Chassidic circles.

>“Himself a Jew, Marx has around him, in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews, such as Jews are every where: commercial or banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades, with one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement, and with their behinds sitting on the German daily press — they have taken possession of all the newspapers — and you can imagine what kind of sickening literature they produce. Now, this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of blooksuckers, a single gluttonnous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders but across all differences of political opinion — this Jewish world today stands for the most part at the disposal of Marx and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild.

>This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail ....”

Now the question for pol, just be honest and don't google it. Who am I quoting?

>The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state

That Marx """"quote"""" isn't a Marx quote. Marx is paraphrasing Owen there and the phrase is cut short (who the fuck does that by doing 3 dots?) while Marx continues it by saying there is a gap between the two because both are in the beginning (only) abstract altruistic ideas. (K. Marx u. F. Engels, Werke, Ergänzungsband, 1. Teil, S.465-588, Dietz Verlag, Berlin (DDR), 1968, p. 537).

not /pol/ tho

This is essentially pol thread anyway.

>I like humor (Stalin)
>I enjoy looking at the fireplace in winter (Lenin)
>Love your children (Soviet slogan)

The commies said it, it must be false and evil!!!

Nazi eugenics is a meme for the retarded, the Übermensch id is a concept Hitler got from Nietzsche, i.e. is a philosophical pathos, nothing about genetics, breading, race.

Stalin's humor is god tier.
>officer writes him that during summer time soldiers and officers don't wear hats
>in winter the hats of soldiers and officers are different
>officers ask to have distinguished caps or helmets in summertime
>Stalin responds that the comrade officers has the permission to wear the Ushanka in summer

Oh look it's this butthurt permavirgin commie autist chimping out again. You should really be permabanned. You post nothing of substance just whining about le /pol/ boogeyman. Any sane normal person who doesn't care about your autism and spam should report you.

I am perfectly fine though and my girlfriend is now fine with fucking without condom. Thanks for asking . Also we talked to each other about the OP while you keep shit-posting as usual while expressing some form of tourette.

Are you seriously implying this dude looks like the one in the caricature? Cause this is what you were initially arguing about.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

>getting this butthurt

They are because Judaism is also considered a ethnic group amongst themselves

You are seriously oversimplifying things.
>The Orthodox and Conservative branches of Judaism maintain that the halakhic rules (i.e. matrilineal descent) are valid and binding. Reform and Liberal Judaism do not accept the halakhic rules as binding, and most branches accept a child of one Jewish parent, whether father or mother, as Jewish if the parents raise the child as a Jew and foster a Jewish identity in the child, noting that "in the Bible the line always followed the father, including the cases of Joseph and Moses, who married into non-Israelite priestly families."[10] (However, according to the oral tradition of Orthodox Judaism, the spouses of both Joseph and Moses converted to Judaism prior to marrying them.) The Reform movement's standard states that "for those beyond childhood claiming Jewish identity, other public acts or declarations may be added or substituted after consultation with their rabbi".[11] Advocates of patrilineal descent point to Genesis 48:15–20 and Deuteronomy 10:15.[12] This policy is commonly known as patrilineal descent, though "bilineal" would be more accurate.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew?

This desu senpai

Though it's less about IQ and more about cultural attitudes toward education and participation in academia.

Just FYI, that speech was made to a Russian Jewish group meant to praise and thank them, and also gain their trust and shekels.

In Russia today, the revolution is viewed generally positively. Putin has embraced Soviet authoritarianism and takes pride in Russia's socialist legacy.

I think this is false-flagging but I would not be surprised if a /pol/ user is actually this stupid.

>expecting /pol/tards to exercise basic source criticism
This tho. Probably no one was important to his rise to power then a certain "Abramowitsch" who, surprise, is actually a JEW!!!

Jews are over represented even after taking into account their allegedly superior IQ. It's pure ethnic networking and nepotism.

Why do you think jews have been kicked out of 109 countries? It's not jealousy.

>The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state

No it doesn't. Marx didn't want a state-run economy.

This picture is so retarded because not a single Marxist-Leninism would take offense at the word communist.

9 times out of 10, Marxist-Leninists introduce themselves as communists because that's a more general term.

Jews really are the perfect target for expulsion, though. In the middle ages, they were a small group constantly in need of shelter. Let them in, take a loan, and then kick them out before you need to pay it back.

For medieval monarchs, expelling the Jews would be a way to pacify anti-Semitic masses and also raise money.

Jews could afford education but also Marxism has always appealed to people from oppressed groups since it offers universal emancipation regardless of things like race, nationality, gender or sexuality.

You could have posted a picture of that Occupy Wall Street Maoist but instead you post a fairly normal looking nerd. Apply yourself more.

>Putin has embraced Soviet authoritarianism and takes pride in Russia's socialist legacy

No he doesn't you cringy fuck. He just cherrypicks a few parts and plays on the emotions and nostalgia of the populace by creating the impression that he is trying to restore Russia back into a superpower.

>Google the source
>reddit
>anti-Israel-activists
>the occidental observer
>There seems to be a major problem with the data, which is probably not applying a consistent methodology over the 31 years. Note in that the 3 years when the Asian proportion at Harvard doubled were the same 3 years when the totals increased by a very similar percentage. Possible explanations include students who are multiracial, the international students being double counted, or students of unknown race being double counted as White. Unz points out that “prior to 2009, the “unknown race” population included mixed race individuals.” Unz has no category for them, it appears he simply left them out. This may explain why the 2010 and 2011 numbers are so far away from 100. A very similar pattern can be seen in Yale’s numbers. The pattern of very high totals between 1990 and 1993 is absent in Princeton’s totals, perhaps not coincidentally Princeton is the university which has seen the largest gain in Asian numbers between 1990 and 2011.
>Jews, instead of being 6 percent of the NMS semifinalists, are probably something like 10 percent due to Weyl analysis not counting Jews with non-Jewish surnames. If Asians are 30 percent then Whites are 60 percent, assuming no URMs.
Also your claim can't be proven be the data alone. Like not at all. We all know that networks are important. Sociology has a name for it: Social Capital which displays itself in perceived competence and intelligence e.g. high performance in IQ tests (>Unz treats “merit” as synonymous with test scores. ). Now you gotta prove somehow that this has something to do with being Jewish and not with inherited capital. Also aren't those "Jewish" universities simply near places where a lot of Jews live?

Nope in most cases the ruling elites in Medieval Europe protected the jews from the goyim masses who wanted to shoah them all over again. Jews were most in danger when the state collapsed and the social order was in chaos.

>the perfect target for expulsion

Poor victims dindu nuffin

The original article was posted on The American Conservative which is a fairly well established well regarded mainstream publication. Are you unable to make a distrinction between reposts and original publication? I though jews had superior verbal IQs or something

theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

>Social Capital

The notorious jewish privilege strikes again

>Now you gotta prove somehow that this has something to do with being Jewish and not with inherited capital

Prove what exactly? That jews are over represented in Ivy League schools where the Dean the faculty and the admissions officials are almost entirely jewish? I can't prove what motives Larry Summers had when he picked some hook nosed swarthy jew over a more qualified White man but I have my syspicions. The data don't lie.

Also why are you setting the bar so high? The left is willing to accept much more ridiculous things with much less hard evidence.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire

and later

In August 1919 Jewish properties, including synagogues, were seized and many Jewish communities were dissolved. The anti-religious laws against all expressions of religion and religious education were being taken out on the Jewish population, just like on other religious groups. Many Rabbis and other religious officials were forced to resign from their posts under the threat of violent persecution. This type of persecution continued on into the 1920s.[54]

In 1921, a large number of Jews opted for Poland, as they were entitled by peace treaty in Riga to choose the country they preferred. Several hundred thousand joined the already numerous Jewish population of Poland.

The chaotic years of World War I, the February and October Revolutions, and the Civil War were fertile ground for the antisemitism that was endemic to tsarist Russia. During the World War, Jews were often accused of sympathizing with Germany and often persecuted.

Pogroms were unleashed throughout the Russian Civil War, perpetrated by virtually every competing faction, from Polish and Ukrainian nationalists to the Red and White Armies.[55] 31,071 civilian Jews were killed during documented pogroms throughout the former Russian Empire; the number of Jewish orphans exceeded 300,000. Majority of pogroms in Ukraine during 1918–1920 were perpetrated by the Ukrainian nationalists, miscellaneous bands and anti-Communist forces.[56]


Maeks you think dunnit

Nobility protected Jews, not monarchy. Nobility often relied on loans by Jewish financiers, while monarchs had more revenue through taxation. Kings would weaken the power of their vassals by expelling the Jews to deprive them of their loans.

In England, the anti-Jewish legislation in the 13th century is widely considered an example of early statecraft that strengthened the monarchy.

Socialists weren't the only ones who wanted to abolish the Monarchy. Why didn't the jews join classical liberal parties if they were so butthurt about the "oppression" they suffered under the Russian Empire.

They weren't a bunch of greedy cunts who only wanted emancipation for the elite.

Jews were prominent in the Russian Constitutional Democrat Party, Russian Social Democratic Party (Mensheviks) and Socialist-Revolutionary Party. The Russian Anarchist movement also included many prominent Jewish revolutionaries. In Ukraine, Makhnovist anarchist leaders also included several Jews.[53]


hmmmmmm

Veeky Forums definitely has more socialists than fascists

It's absolutely not justified to expel thousands of people because some members of that group give loans

Why can any self respecting white man be a communist over a national socialist?

There were more Jews in the Mensheviks than the Bolsheviks

Because they're not classcucked

I am not Jewish. I am not even American
>The American Conservative
Not a peer-reviewed journal though. It's popularity is a non-factor outside of ad populum arguments.
>That jews are over represented in Ivy League school
You gotta prove the being Jewish the defining variable and not, let's say, wealth, education or geography.
>The data don't lie.
There are some major issues with it and I quoted them. You just chose to ignore it in your rage.
>where the Dean the faculty and the admissions officials are almost entirely jewish
What does this have to do with admission or SAT/GPA scores? It's also just a claim that was not tested in the study.
>Also why are you setting the bar so high? The left is willing to accept much more ridiculous things with much less hard evidence.
No, I am not and if you talk about "the left" I am not sure this applies to me. You found a single study indicating there is something wrong. Now we gotta look at the data and everything I can find outside of alt-right sperging suggests that the data is heavily flawed.
I am however perfectly in accordance with the suggestion given here: jasonbayz.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/a-critique-of-the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/
BTW his thesis are not new in any way. Just dramatized: jstor.org.sci-hub.cc/stable/41477874?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

fuck that


Race over Class any day.....My connection is to my people, my blood

not some artificial bullshit like "class"

fuck out of here

>butthurt quotes during the cold war stemming from a non-historian
>being this cucked by capitalism.
>muh invented tradition

Nationalism is childish and futile. I gain nothing from the success of a nation I did not choose to be born in.

Moreover, why would I ever relinquish all my freedom and democratic ability to a repressive authoritarian state that will dominate all aspects of my life?

heh

if you were born to a polish mom and dad and you grew up in germany your blood would never ever let you know you are actually a part of the polish people

artificial?
maybe, maybe

i would never be a communist cuck

so you rather fight with a fellow shitskin nigger to take down a rich white man, because he is in the same class as you..

fuck out of here....Race over Class anyday

Power, influence, better education, and a longer life expectancy are all artificial? Get the fuck out of here

You are a cuck though. You just got the false consciousness of racial pride that forbids you from seeing that.
>fuck out of here....Race over Class anyday
Well mate the fact that you are repeating your mantra childishly shows that you are unsure about the reality of your own believe

Race is more important to me than Creed

I will never betray another white man, but you communists are willing to do that with fellow shitskins

hmmmm seeing as white people are generally more intelligent than niggers, yes race exists

Fuck that. What do I have in common with a fucking Islamist militant in Chechnya who is also white?

They aren't my people. Neither are Russians or Frenchmen or Danes. My people are my friends and my family, not millions of strangers with whom I share a rough genetic background.

White supremacist movements would give me nothing. I and, and the vast majority of other white men, would be no benefit to some kind of global conquest of white over non-white. In the 19th century whites ran nearly all the world, yet the vast majority of whites enjoyed none of these benefits. They worked and died in the mines, farms, and factories, lining the pockets of the parasitic elite who subjugated most of the world for their own benefit.

Worker's movements directly benefit me by giving me more leverage against my employer and making me richer. If my company was worker-owned, me and my co-workers would live freer and more prosperous lives. We wouldn't have to give up so much of our income to the shareholders who do nothing except collect returns on their investments.

I wouldn't discriminate against you just because Wang is Asian and has a higher IQ on average.

Making an individual determination beats inferring based on averages - it's more accurate to do in real life.