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How could you go from this...
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I will never get over Ataturk

how do you take a shitty backwards nation like the Ottoman Empire and turn it into a modern country with values like equality and liberty and secularism

if it weren't for ataturk, turkey could have ended up like Iran is today

I understand why turks worship him desu

How could you go from this...

To this.

>Equality
Unless if you were a Kurd or Alevi or sufi etc....

Ottoman Empire lost its most developed and rich parts during the war. Including Salonika and Monastir. Anatolia wast the poorest part of the Empire Baghdad, Aleppo, Damascus were much more developed.

So in a case he didn't start the indepedence war. The only remaining big cities of Turkey would be gone; Istanbul and Izmir. I would seriosusly dispute that country would be in any way better than average middle eastern shithole. So comparing it to Iran would be rich in such case.

>adagio for strings
oh wow so deep, why not play requiem for a dream next

>International zone
Why did the British love this meme?
It failed twice, in jerusalem both Jews and Arab found turning it to an international zone unacceptable no matter what

>Falling for the equality and humanity meme.
He was a REAL progressive leader. So he hated all backward entities. If you want a real development, you should destroy the backward factions in a society.

When you tolerate subversive countercultures with their own media, social organization, and even memes, eventually one arises that harnesses the power of people's feelings and fears. In Turkey's case, and in the case with much of the Middle East, this was Islamism, preying on people's very real economic and social concerns that they eat up despite how contrarian it is to the values of the founders and traditional voting blocs.

You can see this same sort of phenomenon with Trump.

This desu.
Most people vote for erdogan because he seems to have fixed the economy and brought stability for the time being.

How was he able to push secularism so hard anyways? I always thought Ottomans were highly religious and conservative.

he literally took back half the country, the important half too seeeven if youre religious and conservative you cant argue with that

You can't fix trash. Roaches are subhuman, everyone knows that, so Ataturk's attempts to civilize them were well-intentioned but ultimately futile.

He was 57 years old when he died. He did all those reforms worthy of 100 years in just 15 years. If he lived 30 years longer, his legacy would be much more stronger. And since he had good relations with European Powers, Turkey would be one of the main states of EU.

If Ataturk lived to see WW2, would he side with Hitler?

No.

elaborate

leader of turkey during ww2 was a pretty close longtime bro of ataturk and he decided not to side with hitler so i guess ataturk would think the same

also ataturk was alive when hitler first got into power and when czechoslovakia was occupied by nazi germany but idk if he had anything to say about that

Neutrality was one of the main principles of Ataturk, he was pragmatic and farsighted.

He was sick during those days. And his successor was pretty much status quo master. I think he would give logistic support to allies, but wouldn't get into a military conflict.

also this
he managed to get help from both capitalist america and communist russia during the resitance and early stages of the republic

so this is what retardation looks like

Actually he made Lenin and later Stalin believe that, eventually Turkey will embrace communism. He made little gestures like building statues of Russian Revolutionaries in early years of the republic. Also when you look at his propaganda it also can be seen in a similiar style to Soviet Union.

He knew the most important rule for the politics: "Make everyone think that you are their ally, but benefit from all of them." This is the biggest difference between he and Erdogan, when you put the political view differences aside. One of them was a diplomatic genius, yet the other one is an edgy islamist babyshit.

Ataturk was a faggot and traitor of his nation. Turks admiring him are dumb pieces of shit. He betraid his nation and history

while it may be true that he was gay, he saved turkey from being carved up and colonized after ww1 and prevented it from turning out like this: it's not dumb to admire that at least

>arguing with an erdodrone
shiggidy diggidy

>implying the whole war was not false flag
The war was a joke. The winner was clear even before the war started.

>erdodrone
Fuck Erdogan.

Religion
Politics
Money

>The war was a joke. The winner was clear even before the war started.
What war are you talking about? Ever war is a hoax according to you mememasters.

Even in a pseudo-race with a genetic pool as hopelessly polluted as the Turks, there is still a chance for the birth of the kind of prodigy that only appears once every thousand years

>have backwards eastern people
>get into urbanization in the 60s and allow the easterners to flood the cities
>being poor they breed like rabbits
>the new majority now enforces their own politicians over the country through democracy
>the mob eventually elects one of them as president and he runs the country into the dirt
its more of a cautionary tale type of deal

alevis love atatürk though
kurds don't, because they are kurds

no, there are letters between hitler and ataturk
he didn't like hitler at all, but he wasn't foolish enough to go to war with germany

>tfw no qt secularist turk bf

>there are letters between hitler and ataturk.
Is it possible to read them online?

id be interested in that as well
hell, is it possible to read them offline? are they publicly avaliable in a library or a museum or somewhere?

Fuck you fucking retard he basically saved the country and finished the reforms the ottomans started a century ago.

By being part of the ruling party of the Ottoman that didn't take part in the Armenian Genocide and having the only army that tried to oppose the formation of the republic being Greek. He mostly continued what the CUP started, but without that retard Enver standing in the way and no longer having to worry about the Arabs.

he did not like german military and it's authority on civil governments and civil populace. you must know that he liked french republican ideals and detested german warmongering (like any sane person) germany probably reminded him of the ottoman backwardness; waging war all the time, relying on the death of it's citizens and etc.

in case of any threat of war with germany he would solve things with diplomacy and ensure turkey's safety while building economy with help of fighting nations. he would use their expertise and technology to produce stuff to sell them. part of this happened with ismet anyway.

Is that really his voice?
It sounds like a cartoon parody.

He says that he was the real Mickey Mouse and USA stole it from him.

is it true he was gay?

Ataturk, that is, not Erdogan.
Was Ataturk gay?

He had two waifus
No kids though so who knows

All Turks are a bit gay

t. lionofallah1453

didn't he and latife get a divorce after only a relatively short amount of time, and to this day the letters written between the two cannot be released? makes you wonder what's in them that has to be covered up