/utg/ - Undertale General

Didn't we figure out like two months ago that you didn't like TP as much as genocide because of the lack of closure?
How long are you going to keep doing this? Or are you a different person?

Toriel freak out, please.

...

So now that I'd figured out why I loved the genocide route, I needed to understand what made me hate True Pacifist so much. The answers came easily. Not being able to save Asriel is the first, compounded by the fact that I'm really the only one who knows. The happiest ending for everyone else is the one that makes me miserable because I learned the "truth" and couldn't do anything about it. Simple stuff.

So, knowing that, I went on to analyze the genocide route in further detail. Firstly, when you think about it, genocide is basically the antithesis of pacifist. Both narrative and gameplay-wise. It's a perversion because the story remains the same - it's just now from the perspective of someone who couldn't give a fuck. So that was intriguing to start with, but it turns out that my love for genocide went much deeper. Now we'll turn to the gameplay itself to explain why.

Firstly, I'll bring up a passage from one of the books in the Snowdin librarby.
>And the crueler the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us
See, when it comes to genocide, you hit like a truck. But it never really made sense to me why, since you're an apathetic killer. Certain characters take way, way more damage than others, so there had to be another motivating factor. There are theories that it's Chara's hatred which causes the extreme damage, but for me an interesting thing had occurred: it was my hatred that was hurting everyone. The hate that I felt because of pacifist was now fueling my genocide, allowing me to destroy everyone easily. Certain characters reinforce this, such as Toriel, who's taken aback at just how much you hate her. And this persists throughout most of the game. So now I guess I'll analyze the main characters and explain whether or not my hatred for them played into my genocide experience.

There's some seriously pathologic shit going on in your head if you loathe a bittersweet ending in favor of one that leaves literally nothing and nobody alive.

>Didn't we figure out like two months ago that you didn't like TP as much as genocide because of the lack of closure?
Nah, that's not it. It's a lot more simple than that. If it was just closure then I wouldn't have enjoyed it to the absurd degree that I did.

Honestly you're way closer to the truth than you might think. But I think the term "corrupted" is more accurate.

fucking asrielfags

>But I think the term "corrupted" is more accurate.
I can only hope you're building to some creepypasta bullshit here, otherwise you're almost certainly the most autistic motherfucker around here.

Flowey protagonist when.

Yes, there is.

So let's keep this shitshow going. These thoughts were a lot more coherent in my head before 8 hours of sleep, so forgive me if I end up rambling.

>Toriel
Like I said, hated her at the time. Seeing those high numbers when I pressed FIGHT felt really, really good.

>Papyrus
I don't know how, but I'd managed to hate him too. I think it might have had something to do with him always trying to befriend everyone. And I'd seen just how useless and unfulfilling that friendship was. After all, trying to befriend everyone got me into this mess in the first place.

>Undyne
Now here's where it gets interesting. I can't hate Undyne. She's too great. I hated Monster Kid for being an annoying little turd, and so had inflicted a heavy blow - that she intercepted. Then she transformed, and my desire to kill her was no longer out of hate, but because I wanted to win a fun fight. This is another reason I love genocide: gameplay-wise it's by far the best of the three routes if you love challenging boss fights.

>Mettaton
It's a shame I couldn't kill Alphys, as I did and still do carry quite a bit of hate towards her. Mettaton NEO going down so easily was weird, but by then I didn't really care anymore. So moving on...

>Sans
Like with Undyne, I didn't hate Sans, and wanted to beat his fight. But I also had a strange kinship with him. I saw him as similar to me - someone who's suffered because he was unable to SAVE someone else. For him, it was Gaster. For me, it was Asriel. And now we were the only two left standing. It was great. He also said some things that resonated with me particularly. The phrase "you're the kind of person who won't EVER be happy" still rings true to this day.

>Asgore
Fitting for such a bumbling inept fool who never saw the truth, he doesn't even realize who you are or what you've done. So he dies, pathetically.

I'll wrap this up with Flowey and Chara.

Woo, look at me, i am edgy! Woo

You realize none of this has the effect you want, since you admitted way before the anniversary that you're edgeposting out of boredom, right? At this point everyone just looks at you like what you're doing anyway: roleplaying. It's nice and verbose, but it's still just that.

Nah, I'm super autistic. But two years after the game's release, I think this has to be said. So bear with me for a while longer.

Oh right, now where was I.
>Flowey
Yeah, I enjoyed this way too much. Almost felt like Toby had included this little display of gratuitous violence just for me. It's also darkly fitting how you "meet" Asriel at the end of both the TP and genocide routes. Really reinforces the whole "genocide is a perverted pacifist route" thing really well. The fact he's begging for his life was great, too.

>Chara
Chara, as you've probably figured out by now, is my favorite character. Not the best, not the most well-written or interesting, but my personal favorite. Ironically, they're also the one responsible for everything going to shit and the main reason you can't save Asriel. But I didn't hate them at all. No, I liked them. Because they never compromised and stayed true to their nature. And like how I'd come to be, they hated everyone and everything in the Underground. So when Chara asked me to erase the world I'd just slaughtered, I agreed. Because why wouldn't I?

Now, I do have one or two complaints though. Firstly, the whole "doing it just to do it" message of the route didn't apply to me. I wasn't wandering blindly trying to see everything in the game, I knew exactly what I was doing and what ultimate goal I was progressing towards. That's why everyone's "we were friends once, right?" shtick to try and make you stop fell on deaf ears for me.

The second complaint is that Chara's "purpose" they learn from you doesn't make any sense, really. Power was never the issue. I was getting stronger, but it wasn't for any goal besides progressing the run. In other games the leveling up is a fun and exciting process. In Undertale it's tedium.

Anyway, that's about the long and short of it. Anything else I've already forgotten, so it probably wasn't very important to begin with. I've covered all the bases, I think.

Why is it that when someone says positive things about how the game made them feel, or even sad things about the TP route made them feel, you assume they're genuine, but when someone talks about how they feel about the genocide route you assume that they're just edgy?

I don't really care what you think, I'm just using this place to vent my thoughts. I don't even know what "effect" this is supposed to have. I just wanted to explain things. Over time perspectives change and you learn more and more through self-reflection. What I said months ago no longer applies.

Originally I wasn't even going to bother posting all this, but as luck would have it today is October 10th, and OP decided to dedicate today's thread to the shittiest character in the game. So I took it as carte blanche to regurgitate my horrible, horrible opinions.

To be fair I don't have the best reputation, but it's all sincere I promise.

That is it.

>Firstly, the whole "doing it just to do it" message of the route didn't apply to me. I wasn't wandering blindly trying to see everything in the game, I knew exactly what I was doing and what ultimate goal I was progressing towards.

I think you misunderstand that one, it's supposed to mean that you do it because you CAN, because you're capable of it. The reason behind it is secondary, the point is that you have no responsibility because of your power and you can do anything for the heck of it.

Just clarification though.

No, I get it. It just didn't apply to me is all. I think it's strange that of all the reasons for genocide Toby hints at through character dialogue, dissatisfaction with the "happy ending" even though it's deliberately bittersweet at the end (emphasis on the bitter) never really gets brought up besides one or two lines. So trying to guilt-trip me over destroying a happy ending I hated didn't do anything for me.

I don't think he expected people to start roleplaying the protagonist of Hatred desu.

>youtube.com/watch?v=lMkpv4Gmhok
Then maybe he shouldn't have made such a shitty excuse for a happy ending.

There are a trillion things based on "beware of the man who speaks in hands", but has anyone done anything with "beware of the man who came from the other world"?

That's just a warning of Sans who came from Earthbound to give kiddos bad times

It's you!

Toby wouldn't assume the player's gender.

I mean if you call the bittersweet ending a happy ending, then you'll run into problems. I can call the ending of Legacy of Kain: Defiance, or The Longest Journey 'happy', and it's to some extent in the sense that the world isn't ending after all, but it doesn't really cover the metric ton of suffering the journey and the ending requires.

I assumed Toby.

That's fair, but Flowey kept reinforcing that he'd get me a "happy ending" and I guess I was stupid enough to believe him.

And let's be honest, people aren't calling True Pacifist the "bittersweet ending" - at least nobody I've seen anyway.

Does he speak in hands?

I speak in kisses
Let's talk

Everything's relative. TP is considered a happy ending compared to the rest, but on its own it's still bittersweet. None of the endings are really 'good', in a traditional sense.

You are such a whiny edgelord, I swear to god.

Huh, what the?

>None of the endings are really 'good', in a traditional sense
Well that's depressing. I guess SAVE-ing really is impossible. Huh.

If I made a game where you get to fuck a sad goat boy to death to mercy kill him would I make millions

Nope

That's only because the power has gotten into your head by now and you can only see everything in complete absolutes. Either you can do everything and it's good, or you can't and everything's awful.

You can do and fix so much that you really do envision yourself as a god and when there's an impenetrable obstacle, it's not a sign that your powers are limited, but a sign that the entire world is wrong.

papyrus rules

So from my point of view the Jedi are evil?

But no, no, I totally get what you're saying and I agree.

And I do kind of literally want to kill "God" i.e. Dog for making a wrong world, but the lazy fucker won't even let me yet.

Everyone on /utg/ would buy it

I can't say I am interested.

snuff is the shittiest of fetishes

user

How about a game where Chara is Frisk's Stand?

I might be interested, depending on how the rest of the game is.

Everyone knows girl Frisk would dominate in all of these situations

Girl Chara is too dominant for anyone to ever have a hope of dominating her.
Boy Chara gets shaky in the knees around girl Frisk though

daily reminder that so sorry is literally no different than bondage vore fetishist muffet except you forgive her because she's a cute female

Because some kids think it's cool to be edgy and dark and like violence. Nobody thinks it's cool to admit you got emotional over pixels.

>when someone talks about how they feel about the genocide route you assume that they're just edgy
because it is edgy and retarded to get so upset that you couldn't save the goat that you decided the better option would be to just kill everyone

does the Discord have that autistic bot that welcome users by @ them? I only want to lurk around.

No, but it has a vague warning that you might get kicked if you lurk for too long while doing literally nothing.

*youll be kicked if you log off discord without getting the default member rank, which we'll probably just give to you when we notice you're on.

I wanna go shooting with Flowey.

Do you have a better idea?

Accept the ending as is instead of being a selfish bastard

I wanna shoot on Flowey

I'll think about it.

I want Flowey to shoot inside me

69th for I will save you

AU where everything is the same except your least favorite character that's not So Sorry or Jerry is replaced with a new character, Iscar Matthias

You cannot save dead people. He died for being a cook.

Who?

He won't die because I cook too so our cooking will cancel the effects out. I planned this.

...

Something like Ghost Trick would be pretty neat

delicious orb

Chara and Frisk bringing the newest royal child into the world, while Asriel still spends all his time in gay nightclubs and disappointing his parents!

*slices his head in half mid sentence with a razor sharp katana*

Nice try, Neuman Cook (german for: Numale Cuckold).

I'd fuck Asriel

I live

I love you
Please don't die before I do

What if John von Neumann fell into the underground?

*kills him again and again every time he says he lives*

*if he says he lives +1 on top of that, his family is gonna die too*

Right now!

The spider a cute! CUTE!!!

You're two of a kind!

Ugly bitch.

*squashes her*

But can the Spider teach the importance of writing your own work!?

Kickstarter when?

It's good!!!

I wanna divorce Toriel!

Tsunderplane's cuteness kidneys rupturing and her needing a transplant!
The baby spider just happening to be the right cuteness type and thus being the perfect donor!
Telling the baby spider that if she donates her cuteness kidney she won't be nearly as cute anymore and nobody will love her anymore!
The baby spider crying and running away from home to avoid the surgery!
Tsunderplane finding out she won't get her cuteness kidney transplant on time and crying!

I wanna kill everyone ITT to protect the rest of the world from future serial killers and commies - I am a good person.

Don't kill and don't be killed.

Look into mirror, kill it.

Get in here!
strawpoll.me/14103037

What a /pol/ fuels poll

Commie scum strikes again! Can't handle freedom of speech, huh commie cucks?

There's only one spider, though.
Of course! No one likes plagiarists! Any potential cuteness earned for said work is greatly undermined by the cuteness loss for stealing!
Finding the spider and comforting her!
Cuteness doctors coming up with another solution!
Cuteness kidneys, as with any other organ, being able to be completely healed by cuteness infusions!
The spider agreeing to help cure Tsunderplane!
Tsunderplane and the spider both coming out of the procedure healthy and happy!