When and why did Western labor organizations lose their left-wing radicalism?

Are you suggesting capitalism doesn't?

South Asia is filled with shantytowns of women who must choose between prostitution or starvation.

That's because the modern left isn't very leftist

Yes

No one "preaching" Capitalism is killing them or forcing them into prostitution

People spouting communist believes have killed millions in the name of their ideology

>This, there are no workers or even a concern for workers beyond the superficial in the modern left.

Why would there be? History has shown that the workers republics inevitably become authoritarian states with stagnant economies.

>History has shown that the one party republics inevitably become authoritarian states with stagnant economies.
ftfy

>No one "preaching" Capitalism is killing them or forcing them into prostitution
But supporting capitalism helps perpetuate these things.

Not really Prostitutes make more money than a burger flipper. Especially when Prostitution is legal

Indian here. Trade unions are often recruiting ground and are affliated to political parties and the indian political establishment is deeply partisan and socialist.

But prostitutes are still under economic coercion to sell their bodies to survive.
Doesn't matter how much money they can rake in, young women are still being forced to have sex they don't want to to survive.
This is the reason that things like prostitution can't be empowering, despite some sex-positive feminists claiming it can.

well they are trading services for cash.
It is about as empowering as a janny.

No they do that on their own. They could get a job in a factory, or as a maid. They choose to whore themselves out

>They could get a job in a factory, or as a maid.
What if these jobs aren't available? And is it really a choice if you have to slave away either way?

You'd "slave" away in a Factory under communism as well.

>They could get a job in a factory, or as a maid.
proofs?

third world prostitutes aren't your typical girl in LA with a good rack that decides it's easier to earn $5k a week laying on her back in front of a camera a few times a week

I'm not even neccessarily advocating for communism, simply criticsing capitalism, though I have to say that in communism it does seem a little better, but I know a lot less about it.

If you want to argue that slavery is a neccisity in all societies, be my guest.

Too stupid to respond to seriously

Not really. In a capitalistic system you always have the chance to improve your lot in life. In a communist society you can't. So if your a poor sod now you'll always be poor. Always dependent on a dwindling society of income. Always getting less and less bread in the bread line.

*source

>Too stupid to respond to seriously
So you don't have proofs that they're all just passing on factory jobs?

K

>Not really. In a capitalistic system you always have the chance to improve your lot in life.
Except certain economic situations will easily prevent you from that.
To use prostitution as an example, a girl stuck in shitty prostitution isn't getting and qualifications or anything that will help her pursue a career once she's old and busted, but due to the nature of capitalist society, she needs to earn money. Therefore she is trapped in a shitty loop of whoring until she's too old, then she'll either starve to death or get a bottom of the barrel job.

Yeah like I said earlier Whores make more money than other jobs.

Except with the money she makes she could invest it, or go to school. Only a stupid person starves in a capitalistic system and even then there are charities and safety nets in place that people like you like to forget about

>To use prostitution as an example, a girl stuck in shitty prostitution isn't getting and qualifications or anything that will help her pursue a career once she's old and busted, but due to the nature of capitalist society, she needs to earn money. Therefore she is trapped in a shitty loop of whoring until she's too old, then she'll either starve to death or get a bottom of the barrel job.

>learn how to do only one thing
>can no longer make a living when you are no longer able to do thing
Welcome to every job ever moron.

Auf, auf zum Kampf, zum Kampf!
Zum Kampf sind wir geboren!!
Auf, auf zum Kampf, zum Kampf!
Zum Kampf sind wir bereit!!
Dem Karl Liebknecht, dem haben wir's geschworen!
Der Rosa Luxemburg reichen wir die Hand!

>Only a stupid person starves in a capitalistic system
How does this justify capitalism? Meritocracy isn't a good thing, even if capitalism was a meritocracy.
So since someone makes a mistake and gets caught in a shitty loop forever that's fine?

prostitution is a necessity. it'll never go away. women will always use their bodies for resources and some men simply cannot or do not want to go through the usual routines needed to get sex. all workers sell their bodies or brains for money. it should be safe and legal

what's the Maoist movement there like?

>Yeah like I said earlier Whores make more money than other jobs.
Proofs?

>be stupid enough to fail at revolution in a defeated country where the ruling class had just abandoned everything and fled
>get idolized 100 years later by communists who don't want to be held responsible for the crimes of Leninism and Rosa Luxemburg is "clean" enough since she never held actual power

>maoist
>commie
they probably don't even know where china is. It is focused on the least developed parts of the country that are rich in minerals. Its largely disgruntled tribals who flip flop between voting in elections and then supporting maoists who blow up infrastructure made to help tribals.

>So since someone makes a mistake and gets caught in a shitty loop forever that's fine?
Yes.
Go be Captain Save-a-Hoe somewhere else.

Communism gets you stuck in a shitty loop regardless of what you do and you can never get out of it

The fact that people do it voluntarily

Most unions in Latin America are not really socialist, they are just corporatist and want to kill their privileges.

The most radical unions, at least in Brazil, are teacher's unions, oil industry worker's union and public sector unions, because their members are more "educated" (ie indoctrinated by Marxism). Regular unionized workers only want to keep their paid vacations, thirteenth salaries, and other benefits of Brazilian labour law.

I imagine it's the same in most of Latin America.

>prostitution is a necessity. it'll never go away. women will always use their bodies for resources and some men simply cannot or do not want to go through the usual routines needed to get sex. all workers sell their bodies or brains for money. it should be safe and legal
I do agree it should be legalised, but legalisation doesn't solve the nastiness of it.
not an argument, maybe reddit is more to your style?
>Communism gets you stuck in a shitty loop regardless of what you do and you can never get out of it
I'm criticising capitalism. Why are you bringing this up?

>kill their privileges

I mean keep their privileges.

>>be stupid enough to fail at revolution in a defeated country where the ruling class had just abandoned everything and fled
The nobles did but the industrialists, Junkers and military elites hadn't. Who do you think got the Freikorps/army to put down the uprisings from 1919-1923? Germany was cut off.

>>get idolized 100 years later by communists who don't want to be held responsible for the crimes of Leninism and Rosa Luxemburg is "clean" enough since she never held actual power

Plenty of communists rejected Leninism even before he took power in 1917. Luxemburg remained popular in the Weimar Republic even as the KPD leadership became Stalinised. Leninism is a warped ideology.

Because your criticisms are weak and everything you said can be found in communist societies in worse conditions

>The fact that people do it voluntarily
OK so you don't have proof.

And you have nothing proving that you are correct either.

>Because your criticisms are weak and everything you said can be found in communist societies in worse conditions
Then why not address my criticisms instead of just saying 'b-but in communism it would be worse'!

I'm not arguing for communism, I'm arguing against capitalism.

Maoism is pretty shit in general I agree, but at least they're resisting the Indian state.

There's some radical unions and syndicates all over the world. Most of them are reformist and labour aristocracy, true. The CGT in France, CNT in Spain etc are decent though

I wish the IWW would come back

I already have. You just choose to ignore them

thoughtcatalog.com/christine-stockton/2013/10/things-i-learned-from-a-high-end-prostitute/

>I already have. You just choose to ignore them
if you don't want to argue, then just say, I addressed your points
nice quads btw

>resisting a democratically elected state that is trying to get them access to hospitals and electricity.
cute.

Because you deliberately ignored them to try to shift the argument in your favor

You made the claim prostitution pays better than factory jobs and you can't prove it.

You are under the illusion there is an abundance of factory work and all prostitution is simply done voluntarily by women who simply don't want to do factory work. Which you're pulling out of your ass.

Too bad, so sad.

>Because you deliberately ignored them to try to shift the argument in your favor
point out how I did this specifically

nice get but the prostitutes that you showed aren't the same that user tried to make an emotional appeal with.

>democratically

No such thing as democracy under capitalism. Only the sham of parliamentarianism. The true mechanisms of society are outside their control.

women in rural Thailand with no other opportunities are high end escorts now?

go away, idiot

>I think whoring in a first world is the same as third world
Even some exploitation still goes on in the first world

All someone has to do is read the thread

Even the average street walker makes more.

They just move to Bangkok or Hong Kong

too bad india is barely capitalist. It still remains a largely socialist country with some ease of business in service sector jobs. Land acquisition is a mess for the most part, and local level governments are quite robust at helping out their communities.

>Who do you think got the Freikorps/army to put down the uprisings from 1919-1923?

The German people, who didn't want to be ruled by Jewish communists.

>All someone has to do is read the thread
not an argument
like I said, it's ok if you don't want to talk to me, just don't do it as if you 'won' the argument

>Even the average street walker makes more.
Proofs?

Too lazy to read. To lazy to engage in actual conversation when it doesn't go the way you want it to. It's no wonder you support communism

>lose the war
>allies are about to walk into germany
>you have no food.
>"DA JOOZ"

>It's no wonder you support communism
I see you're the one too lazy to read.
kys

I know that you claimed to be playing devil's advocate but your real beliefs are quite obvious

sup /pol/

liebknecht wasn't remotely jewish in any sense and the rest of them were atheists.

even if communist was some jooooish conspiracy it's still better than fascism

>playing devil's advocate
I never claimed this. I simply said I was criticising capitalism, which doesn't immediately mean communism.

Do you think you are fooling anyone?

antisemitism is the oldest trick in the book. it's amusing how the jews are blamed for being both capitalist and communist at different times

Nice black and white view

>I have problems with capitalism
>"FUCKING TANKIE DIE"
average Veeky Forums thread.

>killed millions in the name of their ideology
Implying Capitalism is pure and innocent

tankies are state capitalists tbqh senpai

do you think you're fooling anyone about you actually being from reddit?

>reddit boogeyman

>boogeyman
reddit! long time no see, eh?

>"I think we should nationalize the means of production, exterminate the kulaks and kill the bourgeoisie"
>"Well, I disagree"
>"GO BACK TO /pol/!!!"

>waaahhhh it's all a Jewish plot

So I suppose Mao, Guevara and Castro were communists too?

he literally said that he has some issues with capitalism.
That doesn't make him a commie you americunt moron.

Do they teach you political and economic theories using comic books?

>Distraction tactics

Yes, yes it is as Capitalism isn't a ideological theory that tells people to do things

apparently so. and all those millions of communist party members in Germany, France, Italy etc? All Jews! Let's also ignore that all communists oppose Israel...

>Hey guys, want a GIANT redpill? THE HOLOHOAX WAS A LIE MADE BY JEWS TO GUILT TRIP THE WEST
>/pol/ please go
>OY, VEY JIDF DETECTED, YOURE NOT FOOLING ANYONE, SHEKELBERG, MY TRIPLE DIGIT ARYAN IQ WILL ENSURE THE SURVIVAL OF THE WHITE RACE

Fidel Castro is a Sephardi Jew.

*jews

Capitalism forces people to do horrible things to survive

>when you realise the holocaust did happen, but it was actually way more jews than six million
>however the holocaust was orchestrated by a jewish elite, to wipe out sectarian jews en masse

He was a Catholic and has no Jewish ethnicity within him. Try again

>Yes, yes it is as Capitalism isn't a ideological theory that tells people to do things
you're right, there's no direct galvanizing mechanism that says "go here, kill them". Instead it's an anti-intellectual movement promoting greed, exploitation, and colonialism, it is privatized cruelty exported on a vast scale.

Proofs?

No it doesn't. And you've already cried about this earlier in the thread. They could easily get another job

Reality forces people to do horrible things to survive.

If you abolish the private ownership of the means of production today, tomorrow people would still need to do something to eat, be clothed and sleep under a roof.

A homeless woman in Bangladesh has absolutely no means of social mobility.

Capitalism only allows social mobility in developed economies. Until shitty jobs are entirely automated, many economies must remain undeveloped to support the first world.

Absolutely, we should also completely dismiss the fact that Hitler believed that capitalism was also a Jewish invention!

We should also ignore the various branches of communism which were practiced internationally by other people as well! But what am I saying? Those Mexicans were probably secret Jews as well!

no they can't you retard.
We were talking about south asian girls. A lot of them get married off and work as maids or such. Factory jobs are much harder to come by since india's industrial growth is growing slowly and there is rampant abuse of laws.

Not to mention that being a sweatshop economy, worker's benefits like maternal leave, healthcare and the like aren't provided by your employer.

Wew looks like you drank the kool-aid

The first world used to be that bad too. You don't communism to get labor laws put in place.

the threat of organized worker's rebellion was a major catalyst for giving generous worker's rights.

There is a reason why May Day is celebrated all over the world by commies.

>Nearly 95% of Jews left Cuba for the United States after the arrival of Fidel Castro and his implementation of a communist government

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Cuba

Suuuuure he was Sephardic

>Wew looks like you drank the kool-aid
That's ironic because the actual kool-aid drinkers were hard-core Christfags