Slavery & Sex

How common were sexual relations between white women and slaves in the USA?

I know white male masters tended to have relations with their female slaves, but did the mistresses of the plantations and their daughters partake of their slaves?

I mean wouldn't a plantation owner's daughter just view the strong bucks working the fields as property to be used as she pleased?

Just curious.

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This was before birth control so it would be too risky.

>inb4 cucking

They couldnt' get enough BBC, and the white men knew it.

However, if a BBC encounter resulted in a pregnancy, the results were disastrous for everyone involved, making the BBC that much more forbidden and enticing.

Is that what you were looking for?

Except societal jerking of the great BBC and its virtues did not begin until after the slavery was abolished.

>Except societal jerking of the great BBC and its virtues

Based on the persistent fears of white men, going back to slave times. Male slave owners used their female slaves to the point where the average black American is 25% white, but the whole town would go out to lynch a black man who reciprocated flirting from a white woman.

changing the subject some, Ive read Jefferson's children with a black slave self identified as white as adults and were accepted as such.

when did this stop being possible?

"Passing" was a thing for a long time, also most mulattos did everything they could to disown their black side and try to be chummy with white people, and the whole thing reversed in the 60s when mulattos abandoned whatever white identity they had.

Nope

It was social suicide

And simply too risky

And as a general rule white women tend to find latino and white men more attractive than black men

Sally Hemingway was only 1/4 black and her children were 1/8. More importantly, they looked white. Once given their freedom, they could easily "pass."

>when did this stop being possible?
There are accounts from most countries, even Japan, of people of different races occasionally turning up and adopting local ways and settling down into the community.
It stopped being possible post-WWI, when people first started moving not just between countries but continents to escape turmoil
The issue now is that the flow is constant, and the idea of 'multiculturalism' exists. Once upon a time a Negro or an Indian arriving in Britain would have had no choice but to settle into the community and their descendants would become thoroughly Anglicised. Now there are millions of their compatriots, occupying swathes of towns and cities and living their lives as they would in Abuja or Bombay. They dress the same, eat the same, talk in foreign tongues. They are not British, never will be and have no desire to be.

You might want to study American history more, chum.

wouldn't it have been earlier than the 60's? I am not sure when people started taking the one drop rule seriously, but wouldn't it be then?

>wouldn't it have been earlier than the 60's?

Yes, user is completely full of shit. It's never not been the case.

or british history
or colonial history.

what does the one drop rule have to do with mulattos historically having a "don't lump me with dem niggers massa I iz gud" and people with one black grandparent that look white successfully blending into white society?

the one drop rule is that is you have one drop of black blood, going back to the time of Moses, your black.

It denied any sort of passing, or mixed identity. Even today people with large white admixtures tend to identify primarily as black.

It never was

Passing means that people think you are white because you look white. i.e. the reason your black ancestry isn't a problem is because people don't know about it.

Thats what "American whites" claim.

I believe you mean Sally Hemings?

You are watching too much television.

I doubt it. Like really doubt it.

>but the whole town would go out to lynch a black man who reciprocated flirting from a white woman.

You do know the "he was lynched because he whistled at a white girl" story is a proven fake?

Yes, autocorrect

>blending into white society
Be pure white or fucking die, is basically the reasoning, makes sense because if you started humanizing hybrid niggers it would end with the horror that it today the humanization of the pure nigger.

Contrary to what the reddit cucks try to say, white women don't find black men attractive

For good reason

Extremely rare to non-existent.

History is being rewritten and this memes is being pushed by the same people behind WUZ KANGZ 'N SHEET.

You forgot your tripcode turkroach

...

>reddit cucks

Cuck fetishism is /pol/, not reddit.

I bet you're mulatto or some shit

Men fearing "their" women going for men of other races when they're the ones primarily doing the racemixing. Except for Asian American men, that's legit.

t. /r/asianmasculinity

>You do know the "he was lynched because he whistled at a white girl" story is a proven fake?
Given all the things African Americans have been lynched for I don't think it's a stretch to say that happened and potentially more than once. Look what happened later on to Emmett Till
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till

Why do you say this?

Citation needed

Yes, rape of male slaves was a thing.

t. cuck

>I mean wouldn't a plantation owner's daughter just view the strong bucks working the fields as property to be used as she pleased?

Someone watched too much porn
Slaves were malnourished weaklings

literally nonexistant

& the white men fucking black slaves was 500x times the rate

Sounds unlikely, women wanted a guy with social standing.

>implying anyone would want to fuck picrelated

Slaves were considered property, not people. But some people do have fetishes for non-people. So if I had to guess, I'd think that women having sex with slaves was about as common as women having sex with dogs today. Relatively rare, but certainly not unheard of.

I'm not saying black people are animals like dogs. Just that the comparison is fair for a time and place in which they were still treated as property. This is all conjecture regardless.

Citation?

Delete this thread, third gen cuck

Implying she doesn't already have 4 kids...

He's not wrong. Chinese and Japanese (mainly Chinese) Americans were demonized as overly sexualized and stealing their white women in the early 20th century.

>implying that is an average black woman from slavery days

Might as well say Honey Boo Boo's mom is the pinnacle of white beauty.

/thread/

oh yes of course, let's spend huge amounts of money, resources, and time to purchase and keep slaves, and them not feed them enough to work efficiently.

maybe considered abstractly, but i think in day to day life only the most vicious and black hearted person would actually look at another person and not understand innately that they were also human regardless of their station.

Yes.

>africanamerica.org/topic/the-truth-horny-white-mistresses-and-black-slaves

>Indeed, there is considerable documentation of white women coercing black men into having sex. According to Captain Richard J. Hinton, an abolitionist commander in the Civil War, “I have never found a bright-looking colored man, whose confidences I have won… who has not told me of instances where he has been compelled, either by his mistress, or by white women of the same class, to have connection with them” (Hodes, pp. 130-131). One former slave told Hinton that his mistress ordered him to sleep with her after her husband died (Hodes, p. 131). These are just two examples of the many stories abolitionists like Hinton told to prove the immorality of slaveholding.

In Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl (1867), Jacobs mentions how planters’ daughters would take advantage of male slaves.

They know that the women slaves are subject to their father's authority in all things; and in some cases they exercise the same authority over the men slaves. I have myself seen the master of such a household whose head was bowed down in shame; for it was known in the neighborhood that his daughter had selected one of the meanest slaves on his plantation to be the father of his first grandchild. She did not make her advances to her equals, nor even to her father's more intelligent servants. She selected the most brutalized, over whom her authority could be exercised with less fear of exposure.

You'd be surprised how easy it is for a person to call another subhuman

subhuman detected

I am somebody

>posts on Veeky Forums
No you're not

There are studies that show people are more attracted to people who look similar to them

Don't believe the 'all da wimin want BBC' meme spread by the fetishists on this site

t. homosexual that poses erotically in front of his bathroom mirror and takes selfies

>people don't fetishize exoticness.

Hahahahahaa

I want r/asianmaculinity to leave

I shall overcome your bigotry
He's not wrong

Look up physical attraction studies about race

Just 4 u

>tfw Asian man

Or someone to dominate. Doesn't even have to be sexual. Just the mocking and discrete power relationship is enough.

>tfw also asian man
>not just a man but a 5' 4" manlet

They never had television during those times, retrads.

>Ive read Jefferson's children with a black slave self identified as white as adults and were accepted as such

Thomas Jefferson had a slave named Sally Hemings. Hemmings was mixed-race and thus she had unusually white skin compared to the other slaves. Now when Jefferson fucked her, she sometimes produced children.

Now because Hemmings was 50% white and Jefferson was about 100% white, their children ended up looking around 75% white, which was close enough that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Was it at least consensual?

>Singlemother.net

We touched on this before friend. White cucks raise children, black gods grant the gift of them.

Not just 50% white, but one of those really pale 50% blacks.

I'm black, chucklefuck. I'm just staring an actual fact.

As consensual as a relationship between a slave and her owner could ever be. Which is to say "Kind of? Maybe?"

Jefferson brought Sally with him to France when he went to go see how the French Revolution was going. However, it turned out that France had abolished slavery by then (part of the aforementioned revolution). The new French constitution said that any slave could sue for freedom, which was granted unconditionally. When Sally discovered this fact, she threated to stay in France unless Jefferson agreed to free:

1. Her brother, and few others
2. Her children upon reaching age 21

Now Jefferson really wasn't accustomed to slaves making demands, so this really threw him for a loop for a moment, but he didn't really have a lot of options in that moment so he agreed.

So the answer is: "It's kind of complicated."

Slaves don't have consent, but who knows?

Remember everyone, it's not cuckoldry if it's just a meat dildo and not another man.

oh wow

women are only attracted to what society tells them to be attracted to. Back then, slaves were seen as the bottom of the barrel so women had no interest in them.

lol Sally Hemmings was his young wife's younger, slightly blacker half sister

>the one drop rule is that is you have one drop of black blood,

America never instituted any sort of one drop rule. If you looked white enough to pass as white, then you were white. Look at Jefferson Davis's wife for fucks sake.

also it wasn't even a lynching. It was two rednecks killing a black guy in the dead of night. No public mob involved.

yes it was, all evidence suggests that she was cool with it since it gave her a higher position in the household.
you can consent if you are a slave. There's nothing to suggest he pressured her in any way and she wasn't exactly in a normal slave in position. Jefferson probably wouldn't have forced her if she said no.

Asian women truly are the most coveted.

>trusting a man's self-report on his sex life

No true at all. People are into bestiality, and all sorts of fetishes that divert from the norm.

I don't doubt it's a real picture but something about it looks photoshopped.

>“I have never found a bright-looking colored man, whose confidences I have won… who has not told me of instances where he has been compelled, either by his mistress, or by white women of the same class, to have connection with them” (Hodes, pp. 130-131). One former slave told Hinton that his mistress ordered him to sleep with her after her husband died (Hodes, p. 131).

While these stories could very well be true, did the author not consider that these men might be bullshitting? Men lying about the women they've slept with ain't exactly uncommon.

OKcupid results point Asian males as the least coveted.

Evidently Asian men really like Latinos. What's up with that?

You realize that this shows that only black women respond to black men right? Evidently BBC is a meme.

This also shows that even though black women want black men, black men ignore black woman in favor of bitches of other races who don't want them.

Being a black man is suffering evidently. Or at the very least being too stupid to notice the woman who want you.

Consent doesn't really matter in a slave context

Welsh ancestors.

Now that's an interesting detail.

Hot

>Also confirmed by a former slave girl.

What reason does she have for lying? Theres enough primary sources for it to be solid.
OkCupid also isn't a good sample, since it isn't frequented by much POC, plus it's cuck central.

It was anal creampies and cuckoldry for everyone. If a boy was a sissy, one or two of his understanding aunts learned him to ride anally.

As long as the slave lied down and didn't move or said nothing, it didn't count as having sex with a human, but was regarded as playing with a sex toy.

It happened but it was far, far less common than Male masters using their female slaves.

Generally, this sort of behavior was found among widows or single-women slave owners, particularly in the large Southern cities. It wasn't uncommon for a widowed Southern woman in fashionable Southern society to keep a "favorite" male slave close by her side, usually one of the more educated house slaves who could also act as her secretary and confidant.

This would probably never happen on large, countryside plantation with a male master around. Same thing for a plantations owners daughter. The shame they would face if they were found in bed with a slave would be life-ending.

Creole culture in particular had lots of instances of female (often mulatto) mistresses having several suspiciously close male slaves.

what?

God I wish this fanfic were true.