How common were sexual relations between white women and slaves in the USA?
I know white male masters tended to have relations with their female slaves, but did the mistresses of the plantations and their daughters partake of their slaves?
I mean wouldn't a plantation owner's daughter just view the strong bucks working the fields as property to be used as she pleased?
This was before birth control so it would be too risky.
Adam Wright
>inb4 cucking
Gavin Jackson
They couldnt' get enough BBC, and the white men knew it.
However, if a BBC encounter resulted in a pregnancy, the results were disastrous for everyone involved, making the BBC that much more forbidden and enticing.
Is that what you were looking for?
Nathan Cooper
Except societal jerking of the great BBC and its virtues did not begin until after the slavery was abolished.
Ethan Brooks
>Except societal jerking of the great BBC and its virtues
Based on the persistent fears of white men, going back to slave times. Male slave owners used their female slaves to the point where the average black American is 25% white, but the whole town would go out to lynch a black man who reciprocated flirting from a white woman.
Jose Scott
changing the subject some, Ive read Jefferson's children with a black slave self identified as white as adults and were accepted as such.
when did this stop being possible?
Henry Sullivan
"Passing" was a thing for a long time, also most mulattos did everything they could to disown their black side and try to be chummy with white people, and the whole thing reversed in the 60s when mulattos abandoned whatever white identity they had.
Jack Williams
Nope
It was social suicide
And simply too risky
And as a general rule white women tend to find latino and white men more attractive than black men
Oliver Wood
Sally Hemingway was only 1/4 black and her children were 1/8. More importantly, they looked white. Once given their freedom, they could easily "pass."
Thomas Peterson
>when did this stop being possible? There are accounts from most countries, even Japan, of people of different races occasionally turning up and adopting local ways and settling down into the community. It stopped being possible post-WWI, when people first started moving not just between countries but continents to escape turmoil The issue now is that the flow is constant, and the idea of 'multiculturalism' exists. Once upon a time a Negro or an Indian arriving in Britain would have had no choice but to settle into the community and their descendants would become thoroughly Anglicised. Now there are millions of their compatriots, occupying swathes of towns and cities and living their lives as they would in Abuja or Bombay. They dress the same, eat the same, talk in foreign tongues. They are not British, never will be and have no desire to be.
Connor Sanchez
You might want to study American history more, chum.
Dominic Johnson
wouldn't it have been earlier than the 60's? I am not sure when people started taking the one drop rule seriously, but wouldn't it be then?
William Mitchell
>wouldn't it have been earlier than the 60's?
Yes, user is completely full of shit. It's never not been the case.
Tyler Ortiz
or british history or colonial history.
Dylan Kelly
what does the one drop rule have to do with mulattos historically having a "don't lump me with dem niggers massa I iz gud" and people with one black grandparent that look white successfully blending into white society?
Jaxon Sullivan
the one drop rule is that is you have one drop of black blood, going back to the time of Moses, your black.
It denied any sort of passing, or mixed identity. Even today people with large white admixtures tend to identify primarily as black.
Hudson Rodriguez
It never was
David Sanchez
Passing means that people think you are white because you look white. i.e. the reason your black ancestry isn't a problem is because people don't know about it.
Cameron Lopez
Thats what "American whites" claim.
Liam Harris
I believe you mean Sally Hemings?
Kevin Nelson
You are watching too much television.
Julian Williams
I doubt it. Like really doubt it.
Tyler Gomez
>but the whole town would go out to lynch a black man who reciprocated flirting from a white woman.
You do know the "he was lynched because he whistled at a white girl" story is a proven fake?
Brayden Miller
Yes, autocorrect
Brandon Adams
>blending into white society Be pure white or fucking die, is basically the reasoning, makes sense because if you started humanizing hybrid niggers it would end with the horror that it today the humanization of the pure nigger.
Kevin Lewis
Contrary to what the reddit cucks try to say, white women don't find black men attractive
Angel Brown
For good reason
Aiden Brooks
Extremely rare to non-existent.
History is being rewritten and this memes is being pushed by the same people behind WUZ KANGZ 'N SHEET.
Luke Bailey
You forgot your tripcode turkroach
Caleb Jones
...
Henry Scott
>reddit cucks
Cuck fetishism is /pol/, not reddit.
Caleb Hall
I bet you're mulatto or some shit
Ryan Cooper
Men fearing "their" women going for men of other races when they're the ones primarily doing the racemixing. Except for Asian American men, that's legit.
Benjamin Jenkins
t. /r/asianmasculinity
Gabriel Ross
>You do know the "he was lynched because he whistled at a white girl" story is a proven fake? Given all the things African Americans have been lynched for I don't think it's a stretch to say that happened and potentially more than once. Look what happened later on to Emmett Till >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till
Easton Moore
Why do you say this?
Isaac Cooper
Citation needed
Aaron Baker
Yes, rape of male slaves was a thing.
Lucas Bennett
t. cuck
Hunter Thomas
>I mean wouldn't a plantation owner's daughter just view the strong bucks working the fields as property to be used as she pleased?
Someone watched too much porn Slaves were malnourished weaklings
Hudson Martin
literally nonexistant
& the white men fucking black slaves was 500x times the rate
Aaron Reed
Sounds unlikely, women wanted a guy with social standing.
Grayson Rodriguez
>implying anyone would want to fuck picrelated
Henry Lopez
Slaves were considered property, not people. But some people do have fetishes for non-people. So if I had to guess, I'd think that women having sex with slaves was about as common as women having sex with dogs today. Relatively rare, but certainly not unheard of.
I'm not saying black people are animals like dogs. Just that the comparison is fair for a time and place in which they were still treated as property. This is all conjecture regardless.
David Ortiz
Citation?
Camden Smith
Delete this thread, third gen cuck
Jackson Garcia
Implying she doesn't already have 4 kids...
Hunter Carter
He's not wrong. Chinese and Japanese (mainly Chinese) Americans were demonized as overly sexualized and stealing their white women in the early 20th century.
Elijah Stewart
>implying that is an average black woman from slavery days
Might as well say Honey Boo Boo's mom is the pinnacle of white beauty.
Jeremiah Adams
/thread/
Isaiah Scott
oh yes of course, let's spend huge amounts of money, resources, and time to purchase and keep slaves, and them not feed them enough to work efficiently.
maybe considered abstractly, but i think in day to day life only the most vicious and black hearted person would actually look at another person and not understand innately that they were also human regardless of their station.
>Indeed, there is considerable documentation of white women coercing black men into having sex. According to Captain Richard J. Hinton, an abolitionist commander in the Civil War, “I have never found a bright-looking colored man, whose confidences I have won… who has not told me of instances where he has been compelled, either by his mistress, or by white women of the same class, to have connection with them” (Hodes, pp. 130-131). One former slave told Hinton that his mistress ordered him to sleep with her after her husband died (Hodes, p. 131). These are just two examples of the many stories abolitionists like Hinton told to prove the immorality of slaveholding.
In Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl (1867), Jacobs mentions how planters’ daughters would take advantage of male slaves.
They know that the women slaves are subject to their father's authority in all things; and in some cases they exercise the same authority over the men slaves. I have myself seen the master of such a household whose head was bowed down in shame; for it was known in the neighborhood that his daughter had selected one of the meanest slaves on his plantation to be the father of his first grandchild. She did not make her advances to her equals, nor even to her father's more intelligent servants. She selected the most brutalized, over whom her authority could be exercised with less fear of exposure.
Brody Nguyen
You'd be surprised how easy it is for a person to call another subhuman
Xavier Jackson
subhuman detected
Aaron Foster
I am somebody
Ryder Gomez
>posts on Veeky Forums No you're not
Jeremiah Thompson
There are studies that show people are more attracted to people who look similar to them
Don't believe the 'all da wimin want BBC' meme spread by the fetishists on this site
Oliver Cox
t. homosexual that poses erotically in front of his bathroom mirror and takes selfies
Adrian Rivera
>people don't fetishize exoticness.
Grayson Stewart
Hahahahahaa
I want r/asianmaculinity to leave
Cameron Kelly
I shall overcome your bigotry He's not wrong
Luke Wilson
Look up physical attraction studies about race
Elijah Martin
Just 4 u
Isaac Sanchez
>tfw Asian man
Christian Richardson
Or someone to dominate. Doesn't even have to be sexual. Just the mocking and discrete power relationship is enough.
Nathaniel Taylor
>tfw also asian man >not just a man but a 5' 4" manlet
Dylan Clark
They never had television during those times, retrads.
Luke Adams
>Ive read Jefferson's children with a black slave self identified as white as adults and were accepted as such
Thomas Jefferson had a slave named Sally Hemings. Hemmings was mixed-race and thus she had unusually white skin compared to the other slaves. Now when Jefferson fucked her, she sometimes produced children.
Now because Hemmings was 50% white and Jefferson was about 100% white, their children ended up looking around 75% white, which was close enough that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Gabriel Myers
Was it at least consensual?
Hunter Sanders
>Singlemother.net
We touched on this before friend. White cucks raise children, black gods grant the gift of them.
Dominic Gonzalez
Not just 50% white, but one of those really pale 50% blacks.
Anthony Evans
I'm black, chucklefuck. I'm just staring an actual fact.
Jason Brooks
As consensual as a relationship between a slave and her owner could ever be. Which is to say "Kind of? Maybe?"
Jefferson brought Sally with him to France when he went to go see how the French Revolution was going. However, it turned out that France had abolished slavery by then (part of the aforementioned revolution). The new French constitution said that any slave could sue for freedom, which was granted unconditionally. When Sally discovered this fact, she threated to stay in France unless Jefferson agreed to free:
1. Her brother, and few others 2. Her children upon reaching age 21
Now Jefferson really wasn't accustomed to slaves making demands, so this really threw him for a loop for a moment, but he didn't really have a lot of options in that moment so he agreed.
So the answer is: "It's kind of complicated."
Landon Wright
Slaves don't have consent, but who knows?
Ryder Walker
Remember everyone, it's not cuckoldry if it's just a meat dildo and not another man.
Easton White
oh wow
Elijah Anderson
women are only attracted to what society tells them to be attracted to. Back then, slaves were seen as the bottom of the barrel so women had no interest in them.
Jack Ortiz
lol Sally Hemmings was his young wife's younger, slightly blacker half sister
Alexander Ward
>the one drop rule is that is you have one drop of black blood,
America never instituted any sort of one drop rule. If you looked white enough to pass as white, then you were white. Look at Jefferson Davis's wife for fucks sake.
Jeremiah Cooper
also it wasn't even a lynching. It was two rednecks killing a black guy in the dead of night. No public mob involved.
Nathan Smith
yes it was, all evidence suggests that she was cool with it since it gave her a higher position in the household. you can consent if you are a slave. There's nothing to suggest he pressured her in any way and she wasn't exactly in a normal slave in position. Jefferson probably wouldn't have forced her if she said no.
Camden Taylor
Asian women truly are the most coveted.
Oliver Rogers
>trusting a man's self-report on his sex life
Connor Diaz
No true at all. People are into bestiality, and all sorts of fetishes that divert from the norm.
Eli Sanders
I don't doubt it's a real picture but something about it looks photoshopped.
Adam Collins
>“I have never found a bright-looking colored man, whose confidences I have won… who has not told me of instances where he has been compelled, either by his mistress, or by white women of the same class, to have connection with them” (Hodes, pp. 130-131). One former slave told Hinton that his mistress ordered him to sleep with her after her husband died (Hodes, p. 131).
While these stories could very well be true, did the author not consider that these men might be bullshitting? Men lying about the women they've slept with ain't exactly uncommon.
Kayden Lee
OKcupid results point Asian males as the least coveted.
Lucas Smith
Evidently Asian men really like Latinos. What's up with that?
Henry Morris
You realize that this shows that only black women respond to black men right? Evidently BBC is a meme.
This also shows that even though black women want black men, black men ignore black woman in favor of bitches of other races who don't want them.
Being a black man is suffering evidently. Or at the very least being too stupid to notice the woman who want you.
Justin Myers
Consent doesn't really matter in a slave context
Levi Reyes
Welsh ancestors.
Bentley Fisher
Now that's an interesting detail.
Oliver Sanders
Hot
Joshua Hall
>Also confirmed by a former slave girl.
What reason does she have for lying? Theres enough primary sources for it to be solid. OkCupid also isn't a good sample, since it isn't frequented by much POC, plus it's cuck central.
Austin Hill
It was anal creampies and cuckoldry for everyone. If a boy was a sissy, one or two of his understanding aunts learned him to ride anally.
As long as the slave lied down and didn't move or said nothing, it didn't count as having sex with a human, but was regarded as playing with a sex toy.
Jack Thomas
It happened but it was far, far less common than Male masters using their female slaves.
Generally, this sort of behavior was found among widows or single-women slave owners, particularly in the large Southern cities. It wasn't uncommon for a widowed Southern woman in fashionable Southern society to keep a "favorite" male slave close by her side, usually one of the more educated house slaves who could also act as her secretary and confidant.
This would probably never happen on large, countryside plantation with a male master around. Same thing for a plantations owners daughter. The shame they would face if they were found in bed with a slave would be life-ending.
Creole culture in particular had lots of instances of female (often mulatto) mistresses having several suspiciously close male slaves.