Veeky Forums was right about the cold war all this time

But what influence did the Soviets actually have on America though? Zero to nil?
And if the KGB was so powerful and subversive where is communism now? Totally gone. Meanwhile, 1980s neo-liberal capitalism is the dominate political/social/economical theory in the world today.

Its like Islamist saying "Islam will dominate the world" while working out how sharia works with malls and cell phones.

At most, they provided some funding and support for civil rights groups as well as their ties to the CPUSA.

>And if the KGB was so powerful and subversive where is communism now? Totally gone
Not really, it's called "progressism" now

or pic related. I don´t think defectors lie or make up stuff but certainly there´s a lot of money in telling certain people what they want to hear

How dumb do you have to be to think the KGB wouldn't try to infiltrate completely open and supportive institutions? Its not like they plant agents, they just provide funding, manipulate goals, radicalize, etc.

>But what influence did the Soviets actually have on America though?

kgb was very active in India during the '70s
apparently, most of Indira Gandhi's cabinet was taking money from the soviets

the last thing you need to crown that photo is a pic of don trump as president elect desu

;^)

Where are the proofs? How come cia and FBI counterintelligence didn't catch them? Why is bezmenov the only one who spoke about it? How come not a single professor came forward about it? Why did bezmenov spend 10 years in the usa before exposing this plot? Why did sjw shit only get popular 20 years after the Soviet Union ceased to exist?

A: because bezmenov was making shit up

did bezmenov ever mention American leftists? I always thought he was talking about indian intellectuals

the soviets did infiltrate US institutions to sway public opinion to their side on certain issues, but they weren't responsible for THAT

liberalism =/= socialism

I blame r/socialism for this

indian intellectuals started off nutty and leftist.

>Where are the proofs?

Here is one such example:

thecrimson.com/article/1953/4/24/mit-professor-admits-former-red-affiliation/

This is not to say this particular guy is representative of every commie in academia, it merely proves that the Soviets were indeed actively pursuing influence in American culture making institutions.

perhaps not intentionally but no they were responsible because subversion quickly becomes an end in itself and things get out of hand pretty quick

didn't the contents of the venona cables contain a large number of americans who haed connections with soviet intelligence?

as for this sjw shit, that's just /pol/ garbage

of course we are also to blame as well

>literally who makes money telling right wing nutjobs what they want to hear
>this somehow proves that everything right-wing nutjobs is just the work of the soviets, and that blacks, gays, transfolk, etc. would have no reason to want equal rights and fair treatment if not for the USSR

Morons.

serious question: do yuo honestly believe moscow wasn't providing material aid to the anti vietnam war movement?

That scarecrow will never be the same after the beating you just gave it.

I don't think it really matters, because the anti-Vietnam movement was a movement that sprung up on its own of American sentiment. The Soviets throwing some money their way doesn't remove its legitimacy.

That's what I really wonder about this shit: what exactly is your fucking end game here? Do we just ignore everything you don't like because some Soviet bureaucrats throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks (the same way Americans did) means it didn't spring from a genuine concern?

Let me ask you this: do minority groups, homosexuals, transfolk, etc. not genuinely want equal rights and fair treatment? Did no Americans not want to get involved in Vietnam before the Soviets threw some money their way? Did no labour movements spring up out of a desire for better conditions until the Soviets planted agents in some factories?

the movement started off as genuine but its identity will obviously radically change when its bankrolled by a foreign power

case in point - the Free Syrian Army

>I poured a bottle of water into ocean therefore I'm the reason there's water in the ocean

It became "radical" due to the government outright ignoring them.

The Free Syrian army became radical because the radicals were the ones with the guns and the experience and the moderates were largely ignored by foreign governments for fear of creating another Taliban.

Neoliberalism is responsible for this faggotry

no strawman the same hippies who were involved in the anti-war movement went on to have careers in academia and from there pushed the sjw narrative

im saying the soviets amplified any and all anti-establishment sentiment not that they created it out of nothing. they gave already disgruntled support which allowed them to be more influential than if they were truly grassroots

(((George Soros))) funded anticommunist movements in Czechoslovakia and Hungary. How come we never talk about the eternal Jew destroying people's republics and selling all of the people's wealth to (((them)))?

>they gave already disgruntled support which allowed them to be more influential than if they were truly grassroots

And what does this mean? Should we now ignore anyone who criticizes the current establishment? Should we deny minority groups equal rights and fair treatment? Maybe repeal some labour laws?

At best, this is worthless trivia, at worst it's legitimization to crazy assholes.

>worthless trivia

the truth is intrinsically valuable

There is no truth, only perspective, and truth itself is just one competing perspective.

But more seriously, consideration of trivial details in a void is pointless, you need to consider things in a dialectic (Plato invented the concept, fuck off) fashion, looking at things as they relate to other things. The Soviets may have thrown some resources at various movements, but that doesn't strip legitimacy from their concerns, and doesn't change the fact they sprung up and caught on among American people.

So again: what should we do with this information?

>There is no truth

is that true?

A reminder that Soviet union has never fallen.
youtube.com/watch?v=zkw8nwHG2GM

[spoiler] This theory has exactly as much weight as Bezmenov bullshit [/spoiler]

From my perspective.

Because the Soviet Union funnelling money into anti Vietnam protests turns minor discontent in isolation into a nationwide movement, look at shit like how the CIA got involved in the Arab spring.

>Because the Soviet Union funnelling money into anti Vietnam protests turns minor discontent in isolation into a nationwide movement

Can you prove that it wouldn't have become a nationwide movement otherwise?

You also haven't answered that fucking question. ANSWER THAT QUESTION. Come out and state your aim clearly; no dishonesty, it's unbecoming of a man.

if truth doesn't exist then what are you even arguing right now?

Perspective. You silly-billy.

I'm not even the guy you're arguing with but it's just dumb to deny the soviets poured a shitload of gasoline on a bunch of embers, and yes it DOES change the character of the movement and invalidate it as merely an expression of what people wanted.

Oh, wonderful. So if I want to invalidate a movement in your eyes, all I need to do is write them a cheque? What a wonderfully simplistic world you live in. God I wish I could be child-like again.

You still haven't answered that question.

perspective on what?

Perspective on truth, and how it doesn't exist (which is absolute true, from my perspective).

>truth, and how it doesn't exist

>which is absolute true

Amazing

This discourse may have helped right your course.

Fuck off with your insults shithead. A child having a vague desire for a toy is different from being bombarded to constant advertisements for a specific toy until he spends every day asking for it until you cave in and buy it. Yeah kids want toys but thanks to highly targeted marketing they really really want this now.

Same shit with the Vietnam war.

ditto kiddo

Thanks, friend. You're a real pal.

God bless you.

Again, they movements started with American people and caught on among American people. The Soviets couldn't have bought all the people that joined the movement, at best they could have kept a few of its thinkers propped up.

You. Still. Haven't. Answered. The. Question.

Should we ignore all concerns about minority rights, labour concerns, are any anti-war sentiments because the soviets might have bankrolled some of the guys supporting these things?

>at best they could have kept a few of its thinkers propped up.

OH MY GOD! A JAY PEG!

Well that's it, my argument has been slain. I'm just gonna have to go do something productive with my life. Like literally anything else. Bye.

goodnight

>Should we ignore all concerns about minority rights, labour concerns, are any anti-war sentiments because the soviets might have bankrolled some of the guys supporting these things?
No. Nor did I ever say this.

Again you sperg, all I said was that the reason the Anti Vietnam war movement was as strong as it was was thanks to Soviet agitation.

All mass movements in the last 50 years have been financed and organized by professionals, from the nationalist movements in ex Yugoslavia to tea party protestors to occupy wall Street to the arab spring to BLM, and simply cannot taken for what they are at face value.

>All mass movements in the last 50 years have been financed and organized by professionals, from the nationalist movements in ex Yugoslavia to tea party protestors to occupy wall Street to the arab spring to BLM, and simply cannot taken for what they are at face value.

This desu sempai.