Why must everything be about politics with the RCC?

Why must everything be about politics with the RCC?

Roman Empire
>the Church must work with the empire
Middle Ages
>the Church must be independent of the empire and wield temporal powers of her own
Renaissance-Early Modern Era
>the Church must withhold the divine right of kings
Post-French Revolution
>the Church must support every reactionary and pro-monarchic group in the world and denounce Marxism
Post-WWII
>the Church must help the proletariat break free from the shackels of the bourgeoisie
Present
>the Church must champion enviromentalism, social justice and gay marriage

Growing up in a majority Catholic country, I used to have deep reverence for these people. I used to think that a priest could not lie or sin. But now I see that they are nothing but power-hungry and opportunistic men. It's so clear that they have no principles and just jump on the latest politico-ideological bandwagon that comes around.

Religion is supposed to be about spiritual matters. Why can't these fuckers take care of spiritual business and leave politics to politicians?

African hardliner Pope to put all the bum drillers in their place when?

>massive power structure acts in way designed to perpetuate and expand its own existence

Read Spinoza faggot.

>gay marriage
>RCC
What are you on?

>gay marriage
>Catholicism.
You know how I know you were never Catholic?

Jesus will sort them out when he comes back.

Oh don't pretend they didn't try to pull that shit off. I remember 2014 like it was yesterday. They had a general assembly of bishops in preparation for the so called synod of the family. In it Bergoglio and the Church hierarchs released an interim report to ventilate the idea, to feel the temperature of the waters, as it were. Meanwhile on the media cardinal Schonborn was making statements to the effect that there were holy things about gay marriage and that he should kneel in front of certain gay couples. But the base and the laity didn't buy it. This time. Maybe in the next pontificat? Maybe in a few generations? But all of this goes to show that the Pope and the Church hierarchy aren't against it in principle, they only didn't do it because the majority didn't want it. Which is exactly what I said in the OP, they have no principles. They only care about politics.

I didn't say I was a Catholics btw. I said I grew up in a Catholic country and had great reverence for the RCC. Had.

>Why must everything be about politics with the RCC?
It's really not. What about the European Protestant state churches that go against the "separation of church and state" that Americans seem to revere? Even Protestantism in the US tries to control the elections and governments.

>Growing up in a majority Catholic country

Which country is that?

> I used to have deep reverence for these people. I used to think that a priest could not lie or sin

That's because 99% of priests are good men.

Honestly, I smell an anti-Catholic shill. Could be a Protestant, atheist or a Muslim. I can't tell the difference between these attackers of the faith.

Meanwhile I grew up in an actual Catholic Country (the Philippines) and everyone from the Archbishop down to the Parish priests said that while having homosexual tendencies is not a sin, and that gays are gods children as sure as anyone is, gay marriage is a sin and an abomination.

Your turn, shill.

"They"? The RCC isn't an hivemind. They debate among themselves and their policies change, albeit comparatively slowly - seniority is super important. Nepotism can't be a factor, they are recruited from a worlwide pool of sufficiently literate Catholics. If Catholic policy didn't change you'd still have crazy shit like adelphic unions and I don't think YOU would want that.

50-60 years from now, when young Catholics today start to phase out the old guard, maybe.

>anyone who criticizes the RCC is a shill
Ok.

I'm neither Catholic nor Protestant. I'm a Christian spiritualist. I have respect for all religions, but the RCC is obviously a very worldly organization. This is evidently the case to any non-biased observer. If you call pointing that out as being anti-Catholic, then well.

With they I obviously mean Bergoglio and the party that elected him.

>It's really not
Not after the donation of constantine was exposed as a fraud, got to keep evolving with the times dont we?

>That's because 99% of priests are good men.
You clearly haven't studied the history of the papacy,which involves murder,extortion,hiding of nazis and pedophiles among other atrocities.

>but the RCC is obviously a very worldly organization
It is also one ran on doctrine.

Which is the point of the whole thing: a theocracy to enforce doctrine.

OP here. Notice that my argument is not about being in favor or against gay marriage, right-wing or left-wing. No. My point is that the RCC will go to one extreme to the next, seemingly trying to follow the political trends of the day. This is not what you would expect from a holy organization. People don't seek religion to hear political slogans.They go to seek God and spiritual consolation.

Doesn't it bother your Church keeps meddling in politics changing political opinions with the wind?

Doesn't it bother [you Catholics]* that your Church etc

No, I'm not Catholic, but I see a lot of good being done by Catholic institutions and while I don't agree with the Church's Social Doctrine entirely I still find it a mostly good influence in the world. Feeding the hungry, healing the sick and keeping peace are good works, not just stuff to preach hipocritically.

It only bothers the conservatives, the liberals think the church just keeps improving in its political and social teachings

>liberals
More like socialists.

Sorry not the guy you're replying to, but they're right. Homosexual TENDENCIES are not a sin as long as the individual remains celibate. Homosexual SEX and """MARRIAGE""" is an abomination and a sin.

> very worldly organization

Examples? Doctrine provides us with definitive theology that we can follow. Protestantism lacks that structure that's why you have 30,000+ denominations where these people can't decide what they believe. The Orthodox have something similar to us.

>I'm a Christian spiritualist.
Would you say you de-emphatize the importance of works?

I see. However, I don't think it's about improving at all, just following fashion. Today the Church is liberal because the culture is liberal, but, if we look at history, if tomorrow or after monarchy, fascism or even stalinism were to become the dominant political opinion we'd expect her to put on another garment to match with the new ideology. Nothing of this would be the case if RCC just followed the teachings of Jesus and do her own thing and let Rome do her own thing.

The liberal side would argue that their social teaching are in line with what Christ taught.

The conservatives either dont care or in extreme cases are full blown neo-reactionaries and monarchists.

>Examples?
See OP. Popes are basically politicians like the UN secretary general, and before that they were literal monarchs.

I don't understand the question? To me works are important, not just faith.

Because political ambition is the foundation of Catholic church. The schism was literally the pope going "I'm the most important patriarch because this forged document says so, now listen to me or I'll sic these barbarians (that I enabled and encouraged for personal gain and political influence) on you".

The pope was saying he was number one since before the western empire fell.

The Orthodox Church is worse. ESPECIALLY the Russian Orthodox.

The big difference is that Orthodox church is fully subservient to the state (at least Russian is), Catholic church tries to be a state of it's own.

Just fuck off, retarded Christfag.

>Post-WWII
>>the Church must help the proletariat break free from the shackels of the bourgeoisie
>Present
>>the Church must champion enviromentalism, social justice and gay marriage

This never happened

>Religion is supposed to be about spiritual matters
[citation needed]

Religion was necessary to retain order in a chaotic world where kings could disappear or be replaced overnight. It maintained institutions and cultural ideas which today are handled by our stable states instead.

The only real Christians left in this world are the Menonites. Only they follow the precept of being in this world but not of this world.

>the Church must champion enviromentalism, social justice and gay marriage
I believe you're suffering from brain damage unfortunately.