/rlg/ - Roguelike general

>Zin hates poison
That's TSO. Zin doesn't give a shit.

>Welcome to Zin's Purification Station
>Only items are potions of curing

Just because he doesn't admonish you for it doesn't mean he doesn't hate it. Zin is a PURE god for PURE neckbeards such as myself

You're right, I'm wrong

>1 Swordmaster
>2 Knight
>3 Hunter
>4 Pirate
>5 Adventurer
>6 Force User
>7 Bard
>8 Hero
>9 Force Knight
>0 Ninja
>trips off by one Tourist

Don't mind me, just reposting this for later use.

arrrlg

Objecitve tier list:
Hero
Pirate
Naked hero if you didn't get allies beforehand
Hunter
Knight
Force
Aventre
Ninja
Poo
Bard
Tourist

This nemelex choice isn't too bad. Normally they're all shit-tier combos that just default to switching to melee and worshipping Trog.

KoNe isn't actually too bad in comparison. Feels good to be the one with the most progress on the nemelex choice.

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what exactly about teleportitis makes it so bad? besides being tele'd into the middle of 50 demons, I could see it being manageable

It will pretty much ensure that you will land in a life-threatening situation at some point.

e.g. you're resting up in zot and you get tele'd next to a draconian pack and an orb of fire. Zot delays teleports and doesn't allow blinks so you are pretty much dead.

do you have lots of skeltals user?

also ganbatte

Many many skeltals dance around me.

Also, if I get infestation online, lots of scarabs as well.

Doesn't crawl's teleportitis specifically try to place you near enemies? Or is that only the ring version, not the mut?

>what exactly about teleportitis makes it so bad?

Yep, and it's on both the ring and mut.

Old teleportitis could, sort of, be managed but the new one that places you next to monsters is basically a death waiting to happen.

>infestation
What's that, user? I haven't played DCSS since .16

It's a spell that you use to mark a bunch of enemies.

Then, if the marked enemies are kiled, a bunch of death scarabs spawn.

Basically, it's OP as fuck.

Neat.

Cleared lair with my GnWz of Zin. Character was seeming underpowered for a while there, but I got some nice stuff from L:6 (like a +7 arbalest of velocity) and now it's getting a bit more fun.

Kobold bamp

What's the dealio with gnolls? I saw people saying they have like +8/+6 apts??

They have godly aptitudes, but they train every single skill at the same time.

So, everything rises slowly and you can't specialise. It still doesn't stop them from being absurdly strong.

That sounds pretty fuggin cool. Do they have a big HP/XP penalty?

Nope, the only 'penalty' they've had is reducing their spell schools aptitudes. It's definitely one of the strongest races now.

Dear diary,

Today, crawldevs weren't complete faggots.

Regards

Did they even attempt to explain why gnolls function this way in-universe, or did they just take "playable gnoll race", "race that levels all skills", and jam them together?

There is a long story behind the development of gnolls into their current state as "the skillrobin race", let me tell you.

Actually, gnolls were coded by a guy who frequented /rlg/ (Floodkiller.), they were originally called cynoids or something, and could only train skills up to 12.

A bunch of stuff happened and now they're called Gnolls.

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DEEPEST LORE

First win of the tourney -- I could win with MiBe or whatever.

But I want to be a tryhard and do it with a nemelex choice first.

First one to win KoNe! Bow down plebeians.

Omedetou!

Yeah, they had a hard cap, then they had a soft cap, then they had +3 apt in every skill but 7/7/7 stats, and now they have normal stats and +6/8 apts but train every skill at once.
Also they were once called bultingun or something between being Cy and Gn.

why gnolls tho

>tourney started again
>i dont play dcss anymore
>idk if i should start playing again just for the toruney
I guess most of the teams are filled up anyway..

The creator, Floodkiller, had the original idea as a generic dog race.

It went from Cyno -> Bultungin -> Gnoll

This was the thread where he pitched the original ideas:
crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19639&p=303500#p303500

Then it made into an experimental branch:
crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?t=22800
Mostly because people know what a Gnoll actually is, and not a bultungin.

dumb akari poster

There were a lot of variations on the gnoll race.
The first few were "like gnolls, they're shitty and weak!"
gnoll v1 had +6 or +8 apts to start with, but each skill's aptitude got worse the more they leveled it until a lower limit of -6. they were very good at winning the earlygame and pretty bad at everything else: they reached the point of "you've spent more xp on this than a human" at somewhere between skill level 9 and 11, and after that were just worse. so realistically you avoided taking most skills past 13 or so and instead leveled a ton of skills to lower levels
gnoll v2 ditched all that and gave then normal or good apts but gave them permament str/int/dex scores of 5 each, unaffected by levels, items, or gods. i understand they were pretty shit but I don't know too much about them
gnoll v3 aka current gnoll was "hey that first version where it forced you to spread out your skills and generalize was pretty neat, let's make a less shitty version of that"

But what makes them good at learning things? Why do they learn all their skills at once?

I need fluff

Have you tried playing not-roguelikes?

>I guess most of the teams are filled up anyway..
Hahaha arelgee is dead and nobody here plays roguelikes.
Someone made some motions at starting a team last thread. Looking at the clan's page on the tournament it has a grand total of 2 members so far.
On the bright side, there's plenty of space for you.

The original fluff was that they were air-headed doggies that had ADHD basically.

I want to overtake the #1 team, but my hateboner isn't strong enough without duvessa being on that team like last tourney.

Im not dumb!

I see..

Last free bump of the night

>p0werm0de
Does this guy ever stop fucking playing?

You won't beat them because 3 of those people are actually capable of streaking.

I'll join the team but I'll play at most one win.

If you are fine with me then pass me a (You) and add nikheizen to your .rc

*quaffs potion of heal wounds*

they manage to be pretty terrible at around the point where you start extended/finish your 3 runes run
at this point you'd be mindelaying high-skill weapons/using level 9 spells with other races but with gnolls you still don't

just git gud and read teleport 5 turns ago instead

youtube.com/watch?v=bAam9itQRRE

>new to TOM4
>want to be a forest elf- I mean, Thalore
>all beginner classes suck asThalore

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

FUCK WHY IS THE WIKI BROKEN

TSO doesn't hate poison since 0.20 IIRC, and definitely not in 0.21.

Gnolls 2.0 were later buffed to 7/7/7 attributes and it was still a major shitshow. Not hard, mind you, just a shitshow.

Why are Tormentors still doing damage to me even though i'm a Gargoyle? Aren't they immune to torment?

fuck yeah I'm joining the 15 rune club

turns out Qazlal is super fun
I pussied out of the ziggurat, because I kinda wanted to just finish the game and get it over with
Became brainless in the Tomb and nearly faulted, but I just chugged ambrosia for MP and continued spamming disaster area until everybody fucking died

Goodbye Rodney. Why don't you wise up and pack a cloak of magic resistance, anyway?

FoFi^Qazlel is the best

It doesn't really matter that much. Just play berserker or archer.

Good job, user! I always liked Qazlal. He's really well designed.

No, they take half damage from it IIRC

Give me a roguelike without permadeath.

>roguelike without permadeath.

Alright, time to get serious.

When should I train spellcasting instead of spell schools?

When you need MP.

Elona!

Does it matter on which server I play when I want to join the /rlg/ team?

Also how do I see teamstats?

No

>Also how do I see teamstats?

dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.21/teams.html

Just play summoner which you can unlock in 5 minutes of play time.

Merkolit wants to join the team.

Which Book of Battle spells are actually good in mid-late game?
>inb4 regeneration

Spectral Weapon can be good, depends if you have good hexes or not.
But when Spectral Weapon works, other hexes will too, so you might aswell use the better ones

Spectral weapon.
Greatly enhances the damage output, especially with polearms so it can attack whatever you are attacking. Distracts enemies, giving you an opportunity to stab them for even more damage. Sure, it hurts you when it is damaged, but otherwise that enemy would have attacked you anyway, so it only matters against AoE.

I just died by walking into my own Conjured Flame because I was greedy to get the stab on the two headed ogre I just paralized.

Just woke up lads, let's play out best today.
Remember to take breaks and stay hydrated.
A tired user is a faulty user.

based

Let's see what I'll play today.

Well, an early encounter with a fire breathing wolf at a store entrance made that a short run.

Add Merkolit please. Sorry for repost but want to make sure you see it

Motherfucking 4-conduct ascension in slex. Wishless, genocideless, polyselfless and polyobjectless. The Amy really wants to see someone else ascend too, though.

PUT THE WIN IN THE NEXT OP BITCHES

Shut the fuck up.

Both regen and weapon

>Centaur in D:3

Fuck off

Regeneration is pretty shit if you think about it, you use it to lessen the tedium and especially in speed runs. Now that there are additional spawns over time, you can just regenerate HP normally, so Regeneration got an indirect nerf. It's still very useful in Abyss and in hells due to pretty much guaranteed encounters before you can fully rest.

Spectral Weapon is apparently great and it's not a single isolated opinion either, but I think it depends on your spell power because weak SW only loses you HP in late game.

Song of Slaying is okay when for some reason teleportation is not an option and you have to fight it out with multiple opponents while noise is not a problem. Never use this when noise IS a problem. Formicids or Qazlal worshippers might like it. For me it's a spell I often learn and then never use but hey maybe I would under right circumstances who knows etc., kinda like Swiftness.

The other two are useless. Shroud still does something in mid D if you really like casting a spell every encounter, but Infusion is laughably bad and exists only so that Skalds can have a level 1 spell.

That will not be happening

Is it normal to have tremendous food problems under Zin? This "no eating sentients" business is killing me. At this rate, I'll be lucky to get three runes without starving to death.

What was wrong with gnoll v1, anyway?

It's pretty normal, especially if you use spells.

fixed aux that they get on D:1 to be competitive