>muh divine purpose
Why is everything meaningless without god/aliens confirming it? In order to say that objective purpose cannot be confirmed, you have to admit that centering the entire nigilistic argument on it is just as spooky, and there is no way to tie nihilists bullshit "epiphanys" to actions or ideas in an objective manner.
Anywho, if there is an objective will of the universe, humans are favored by it because they exist in it, and will eventually have dominion over it.
>Anywho
Literally stopped reading there
Go back to crying in a corner fuckboy.
u wot m9?
>humans will eventually have dominion over the universe.
Humans struggle to have dominion over their own selves let alone the entire universe.
Nah, shit's fucking easy. We have aions before any noteworthy paradigm shift outside of the ice age.
Nihilism cannot justify itself with things it says cannot be used against it for not being objective, namely purpose.
This is simply what consciousness is: a cognitive system that models the world, itself and the passage of time.
Any individual agent's consciousness is simply the encapsulated subset of the universe constituting that model/data.
>Nah, shit's fucking easy. We have aions before any noteworthy paradigm shift outside of the ice age.
I don't think you understood my point.
Humans on the whole are in a constant state of being driven by natural urges and never really take advantage of their power to resist them This is what I'm talking about, in order for humans to have grand designs on the universe humans would first need to overcome themselves.
And overcoming oneself is no easy task. Not to mention most people simply don't want to do it.
too bad you die long before that time then, eh?
Why wouldnt human defualt nature of forming societies be enough?
what?
>he's too stupid to grasp the implications of nihilism and absurdism
Daily reminder that nihilism is a crisis and not an ideology.
Fucking dumbos.
>humans are favored by it because they exist in it, and will eventually have dominion over it.
Your assertion is baseless
Lol you're alittle too western little boy.
Creating a western society where there's a middle class that lives fairly comfortably and a rich upper class that still can do as they please, the poverty and suffering of millions of people is not solved by your 'society'.
OP you should do alittle more reading, and alittle more lurking before you jump into these discussions. It's nice that you asks questions, but you're grasp of the subject is fairly limited.
>gaudy enough?
>if there is an objective will of the universe
if
>Why is everything meaningless without god/aliens confirming it?
Only religious people think this. Nihilists can and do find meaning in their lives, they just reject objective standards of meaning.
>In order to say that objective purpose cannot be confirmed, you have to admit that centering the entire nigilistic argument on it is just as spooky, and there is no way to tie nihilists bullshit "epiphanys" to actions or ideas in an objective manner.
Yes, you can't PROVE that there is no objective morality, but you CAN determine to your own satisfaction that we humans have no access to any objective truths, and so cannot use them as the basis of our beliefs even if we wanted to.
>Anywho, if there is an objective will of the universe, humans are favored by it because they exist in it, and will eventually have dominion over it.
What? Why would you think this? We don't even have full dominion over our own planet, let alone the whole Universe or whatever nameless God created it.
Adam was given dominion over the earth, and lost it to the devil.
Jesus will get it back.
Your godless life has no inherent meaning. Deal with it.
Neither does yours, but at least we realise it. You will live your whole life in a state of self-delusion, then die and realise you wasted your life.
But we do have access to objective truths, such as the rotation speed of electrons around an atom.
Those are empirical facts, NOT objective truths. Science does not deal in truths, only in facts and models. The closest we get to truths are mathematical theorems, which may not correspond at all with objective reality despite their logical coherence and are thus unreliable as guides to actual objective truth.
this mayne
As usual, exactly the opposite is true.
Here is what you have done.
>if there is an objective reason to our existence
>it exists and humans WILL control it
>I will also provide no reasoning or backup to suggest this
You do not understand nihilism fyi. It's not about life being meaningless, it's about knowing exactly that and using it to source enjoyment and things in life which bring your joy and the like. Essentially, when you find something/someone you can ay "I don't care, I enjoy it" you have beaten nihilism.
It's not be all end all, it's simply babies first existential crisis.
Because human societies in their present form have a limited lifespan. They can last a thousand years at best before things start to disintegrate. You can't really efficiently conquer the universe when every thousand years you need to implode and spend the lions share of the next thousand picking up the pieces.
This is not a societal problem, very many different forms of societal organization have been tried and all are eventually lost. It's a human problem, and the only way to rectify this is to ascend to something more than human, an ubermensch if you will.
>aions
thats not how you spell eon fagtron
Nihilism is not hedonism.
>Nihilists can and do find meaning in their lives, they just reject objective standards of meaning.
What did he mean by this?