>india >no guns muskets and workshop made pistols are guns faggot.
Julian Scott
>Be American >own ar-15 >I'm gunna fight da gubment!!! >get droned from 1km away
William Smith
They barely used any violence anyway.
Nathaniel Myers
Revolutions don't work like that. Idiots who goes alone against the big bag government are just delusional faggots. A revolution starts with manifestations, strikes who keep on going. When you have hundred of thousands people on the streets for weeks, they will start taking control of key places. If the government try to use force to stop them, they will likely find ways to fight, with the soldiers often more likely to join the protest rather than shooting their own people. If the revolutionnaries need guns, they will find guns, personal ownership is meaningless.
Juan Richardson
>be American >protest outside mcdonalds with 100k other Americans >get droned >soldiers join protests >get droned
Owen Sullivan
> Droning 100k people That's one big drone. > Soldiers piloting drones won't join the protest and drone the white house instead
Parker Torres
Things still got pretty grizzly
Jayden Gomez
>but muh soldiers won't fire on fellow citizens that are protesting against the government.
Austin Ross
So, where was the uprising during the COINTELPRO operations against American citizens of the 50's, 60, and 70's? And during other instances of government "bad deeds" like the McCarthy witchhunts, Iran contra, misleading information about yellow cake, etc? Where were the gun owners, ready to rise up and correct the gov't's wrongs?
This is just a straw man set up to justify ownership of ridiculous amounts of firepower no citizen should need or have.
Nolan Cooper
brace for >SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED fags.
Ethan Peterson
Obama drones hundreds every day, you can easily drone 100k in your own country within a week
Evan Adams
Marat said "We need 100000 heads to save the Revolution" (in a country with 23 millions of people) so I would say the Indian revolution was a quiet one.
Leo Hernandez
>you can easily drone 100k in your own country within a week No you can't. /k/ would laugh at you.
Jaxon Parker
>/k/ kek. Gotta strafe the muzzies.
Ryder Harris
>Gotta strafe the muzzies wat ?
Liam Campbell
Yes you can, especially if they are congregated in demonstrations. We are all laughing at you, cuckold.
Daniel Collins
You're a child who have no ideas what 100k people represent.
Nicholas Miller
>France 1789: The Third State (general population) were forbidden to possess arms. >Russia 1917: All non-military russians could face the death penalty for owning guns. >India 1945: The general population had virtually no firearms at all And look at the fucking shit they replaced it with.
Blake Richardson
Not him but 100k people isn't a lot.
Wyatt Parker
Revolutionary France took on the entire Europe and WON.
Revolutionary Russia became the URSS and won WW2
Independant India became one of the few nuclear power and between seventh and fifth economy in the world.
Cooper Davis
not him, but how the fuck are you going to use a drone to shoot 100,000 people?
Connor Young
Another embarrassing post. Get a grip.
Jeremiah Gray
>ridiculous amounts of firepower no citizen should need or have And who exactly are you to tell me I shouldn't keep my AR-15? I happily invite you to come try it out, it's pretty dope. But you're also welcome to come try to take it :^)
Jack King
>missile
Robert Ward
>a drone Pretty sure the government has more than one predator drone.
Ethan Jenkins
>1 missile that can be mounted on a drone >100000 people
sure, but one drone can't do much and even if the government had 1000 at their disposal, a perfect weather and a secure and stable base of operations, they wouldn't manage to do it
Adrian Martinez
the rest would be spooked to death
Robert Stewart
t. my dad was in the military once
Justin Diaz
ye others will be spooked the consiquences for the government won't be nice doe
Caleb Cruz
they were white males about to gangrape a school of muslim lesbian transgirls
it had to be done
Christian Morgan
thanks to the elastic clause, the constitution can be updated to meet the present days needs - out of all of the constitutions amendments the bill of rights portion is in desperate need of constant revisions.
as a country that was founded on the ideals of for the people by the people, it seems that there is a major disconnect between we the people and the man (or as the conspiracy "nuts" say, "them" and "they" - btw if the late '80's and early '90's generation of conspiracy theorists' were redeemed in mainstream media, i wonder what will be redeemed in 20 years from now - the nsa started as an et monitoring sort of agency)
the american revolution forced the then world power into multiple series of stalemates by regularly bleeding its ability to perform combat duties - they ambushed supply convoys much more than they faught - its called guerrilla warfare.
Gabriel Carter
What consequences? People doing demonstrations and protesting? >get droned
Mason Myers
>people operating the drone get rushed, raped and slaughtered
Justin Thompson
>Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving whole nation of arms, as the blackest. - Mahatma Ghandi
If you want some real answers although obviously biased ask /k/.
You needs guns against tyranny because the Government have guns. It's that simple. If the government and law enforcement have guns and the public don't then they utterly dominate the public martially.
Yes I do believe civilians should (and do) own tanks and artillery too.
Elijah Reed
>implying civilians would know who was operating >implying civilians would have the balls to break into a soldiers house and try to kill him Hillary won the popular vote
Easton Powell
>buy tank >learn to operate it >try to use it against the government >get droned
Justin Hughes
Arthur Kellerman's research in 1993 found that the likelihood of a homicide occurring in a gun-owner's house was 2.7 times greater than in a non gun-owner's house.
This risk is about the same as that of having a convicted criminal in the home with you.
As opposed to the non-existant chance any of you Rambos will rise up against government tyranny
Hunter Butler
also, i would rather build a powerful airgun from parts that could be bought from any hardware store- air powered weapons can be silenced and there is no flash to worry about and ammo can be crafted. (undetectable full auto at a fairly close range!)
Easton Roberts
If Drones are so good why did the US lose the Iraq and Afghan occupations?
Evan Long
>people unironically believe this
Cameron Morris
>Arthur (((Kellerman)))
k lol
Xavier Walker
Iraq and Afghanistan are totally shit today so they "succeeded"
t. neoliberal
Daniel Sanders
you are so /pol/ it is unbelievable
yes, they would know where they are operated from and they would know it easily. and there won't be even a place where to land these drones if an actual revolt happened. >not having the balls to attack soldiers during a revolution
>these US elections relevant at all to anything jesus
Levi Howard
>gangbanger shoots your gay air tank and you're probably fucked by compressed air and without a weapon
Cameron Rogers
Or it explodes, it'll probably explode.
Isaac Russell
>Gun owners only own guns to fight a totalitarian government >They can't win therefore their right to own guns should be recinded.
This is just a two dimensional divide and conquer meme. It's all just propaganda to dehumanise and ridicule a group of people that the establishment disagrees with.
The worst thing that can ever happen to antiGun politics is when people find out normal people they know and like are gun owners.
Thomas Bell
response to 2 posts up,
soon they are going to ban tables, chairs, glass, silverware and electricity - everything can be used as a lethal weapon.
in the future, the government will be required by law to install cameras in every inch of our homes and record everything we do - but then again modern cellphones have at least 2 cameras in them, appliances have cameras for "marketing purposes" and smart homes are the newest thing.
Thomas Morris
Where are droned operated from, libshit?
>US elections not relevant Kill yourself, the results illustrate that half the country is turned off by nationalism and will not fight at all.
Asher Wright
...
Connor Thomas
>baseless assertions
Sebastian Diaz
You know those drones are operated by people. You think some guy is gonna mow down his countrymen in droves? You think they'll blindly obey orders like that?
Leo Turner
And what do you have besides baseless assertions?
Benjamin Parker
they would not need to land the drones, there are cruise missiles for that - i cant remember which "special military order", but the us can perform aerial strikes against populated areas on its own soil if at least 70%(?) is deemed hostile.
Lucas Diaz
i think drones are operated from the pentagon
Jayden Ramirez
>Where are droned operated from, libshit? From military bases/airfields that will get overrun
>Kill yourself, the results illustrate that half the country is turned off by nationalism and will not fight at all. No reason to fight if your interests are not harmed you moron. You can't compare the US today to the USSR a hundred years ago. >a /pol/ trumpshit
you are so illogical
Robert Watson
70% is a high number. Also, drone striking metropolitan areas won't energize any opposition. No way.
Jason Taylor
Here's what the gungrabbers don't get about the armed population;
It's not to fight the government. It's to ensure the government won't overstep its boundaries without bloodshed.
When people are unarmed, dissenters can be rounded up, put through "corrective education" in prisons, or insane asylums. People won't die, and the government can keep up the facade that they're doing it for the "Greater Good".
In western countries, even the government has its qualms about killing off vast amounts of its own population. Do they care about the people? Hell no, but they like to think of themselves as the good guys, and this is hard if you have to kill hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen.
An armed population would mean a totalitarian shift needs bloodshed. The government would eventually succeed, but they'd need to step into full scale totalitarian a lot quicker than without an armed populace. The threat of totalitarianism in the west is the sneaky kind of totalitarianism, the kind that strips away liberties one at a time. The people in power do not want, nor do they realize how they're contributing to the construction of a totalitarian state, and they also want to avoid it. But an unarmed populace is a populace easy to ignore.
Guns change the whole fucking deal.
Instead of sending a couple of unarmed cops over to a political dissident, someone who drew Muhammad a couple of times, and this guy now needs to be put behind bars for "reeducation". They now need to send a whole SWAT team. And if the offers resistance, lethal force is necessary. So, guns made a simple harassment arrest into a political killing, that's surely going to fuel the resentment of the general population towards the government. And the government now has blood on their hands.
Politicians aren't warriors. They want control through the least amount of resistance. Adding guns into the equation changes the entire course of action they need to take.
Samuel Sanchez
>civilians overrunning all military installations in the usa loled desu
Brayden Robinson
i would not be surprised if the us nukes itself to silence uprisings, america is on its decline (the thing that happens fairly swiftly after a country's golden age) people with power would much rather destroy the world before they lose their "status quo".
a good example is the reign of terror in france during late 1700's to early 1800's.
fun fact, patriots that were promised compensation for their role in the american revolution were gunned down when they demanded that they get their end of the deal after the country was freed from britain.
Elijah Hill
>implying it would be only civilians >what is revolution back to /pol/ you disgusting faggot
Brayden Torres
i cant remember if it was 70% exactly - it was anywhere in between 60% to 90% and not drone strikes, tactical cruise missiles.
Hunter Kelly
>Implying the military is antiGun. Some of them are but seriously now. They are the minority.
Sebastian Evans
yeah, no. we would get moved down before we even reached the perimeter. anyone that would get themselves killed and knew the statistical impossibility of even taking on one soldier and still doing so would be better off jumping from a building. if anything, fuck the world a live your own life.
Mason Stewart
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."
Nicholas Gomez
One of those countries has laws against what civilians are allowed to say. Another one allows the beating and assault of minorities (Gays) The third has such a divide in class, and mass amounts of poverty. Not to mention corruption through out the entire government.
Easton Miller
@Norwayfag, war isnt about caring, all wars (and i mean ALL of them) have economic incentives - its king of like a political cartoon from the 1800's - they knew it, some faught it (the confederacy was not over racism - the federal government stealing slaves/living farm equipment was the last straw - obviously the mentality was much different back then).
the government system that many people died to form was not supposed to get that intrusive.
Caleb Lopez
also, abolishing slavery had an ulterior motive - russia abolished servitude and we wanted alaska
Benjamin Gomez
>implying soldiers would kill fellow soldiers over killing squabbling civilians
Alexander Smith
And again you missed the whole point of the armed populace. It's not about war. It's to make a clear distinction between what the government can, and cannot do without the citizen's consent.
The gun on a citizens wall is there, not for fighting the government, but to remove any chance of ant stepping your way to tyranny.
You'd have to go all out from the start, and this is not what government wants.
Hunter Ward
>be Europopr >don't own a gun, a car or a house >get jailed for a racist tweet
Matthew Powell
>implying soldiers would kill fellow civilians over killing squabbling soldiers
Jason Carter
>If the government and law enforcement have guns and the public don't then they utterly dominate the public martially. Then how do you explain ALL the very real revolutions that actually took place in which the population don't use personal weapons but just weapons they took FROM the government.
Ryan Johnson
>need
Who died and made you king of the zombies?
Carter Miller
>a good example is the reign of terror in france during late 1700's to early 1800's. The Terror is 1793-1794 and it was the revolutionnary themselves doing crazy shit while the general population was EXTREMELY armed. If anything that's a case FOR gungrabbers.
> Monarchy: weapons are banned Revolutionaries easily overthrow the king with minimal bloodshed
> First Republic: Everyone is armed to defend the Revolution against the "Ennemies of the state" So much executions you can't even count.
Zachary Fisher
Predator drones aren't dirt cheap, and they cannot fire on civilian households at random. So long as you do danger close and wear clothes to counter thermals, the cost effectiveness of a redneck will be ~20 times higher than a predator drone, mostly because suburban america is way easier to survive against drone strikes than afghanistan.
Dominic Garcia
>people don't die in collective re education
The reason guns are important is that America has a shitload of rural territory where cops are 30m-5 hours away, europlebs.
Luke Howard
the same is true for a lot of European countries. Not every Euro country is Belgium or Great Britain.
Noah Ross
>suburban america is way easier to survive against drone strikes than afghanistan Lmao
Samuel Sanchez
Why wouldn't this be true? You could straight up stand on the other side of a house with civies in it.
How the fuck would thermal tracking in a desert not be harder to survive in?
Jason Rogers
This entire website is turning to shit.
Why do you want someone else to control your availability of weapons? Think its dangerous to keep a gun in the house? Don't buy one. You're a pussy but that's your right.
Has an evil white christian even done anything to you? Ever? Ever feel like this is a false narrative?
I would die in a purge if it meant all you people never got a chance to reproduce.
Oliver Turner
>the government will just kill everyone with drones Yeah, that'll sure make them real popular with the people
Hudson Richardson
>hiding in mountains and caves is more dangerous than sitting in suburbia protesting at the nearest mcdonalds
Jonathan Jackson
Which is why they use drones dingus.
>people make fun of my right to arm bears. >better call them big poopooheads. /tumblr/
Oliver Carter
>P2W shitters
It's like I'm really playing an Overkill game
Jack Scott
Some scholars actually did a study and concluded that unarmed revolutions are more likely to succeed than armed ones, because the real determinant of success is if the soldiers switch sides, and they are more likely to join up with people who aren't shooting at them rather than those who are
Blake Baker
Governments are not afraid of armed civilians, because armed civilians are useless
They are afraid of mass demonstrations and the army refusing to follow orders
Jaxon Jones
Russia part's still going on today.
Sebastian Thompson
Actually plenty of self proclaimed white Christians have done evil things directly affecting my life.
But to be really fair, I don't think they were really Christians and neither are you.
Elijah Parker
Actually come to think of it, you have so little faith in your god and promise of a better afterlife that you have to cling to this life and your defend your life and possession with violent force.
There were many Christians in the past that went willingly to Roman deaths and did not rise up against the government even though they were persecuted because they knew they had a better life in the hereafter.
Really... Jesus isn't known for killing Roman soldiers in a violent revolution.
Sebastian Sanchez
And to add to that... Maybe you should be a Muslim and not a Christian, because their religion actually supports violence against people where Christians know their reward is in the hear after and to render unto Cesare and willfully to their death without fighting back.
Wyatt Brown
>army refusing to follow orders knowing they might start shooting back makes this more likely
Jordan Cruz
The government loves it when dissidents start shooting, because it means you can then kill or imprison them with no political fallout
The military are less likely to support an armed revolution than an unarmed one
Isaac Williams
>might
William Long
its a moot point anyways since firearms will never ever ever ever get banned in the US ever. the only time the government ever got close to even trying was the 94 AWB, and that pretty much shocked the entire gun owning population of the US into a permanent state of paranoia about the gubbament taking their guns.
Aaron Cook
>McCarthy witchhunts Witchhunts don't turn out to be true.