Was Teddy the best Roosevelt?

I never said he was a fascist.

His imperialist tendencies were only a part of his character, tendencies that were born out of naiveté rather than malice, tendencies that he lost when his son died in the trenches

his third party run caused Woodrow Wilson to be elected. Which doomed the United States to international Jewry.

He was a progressive, not even close to a fascist, as you said he was

This right here. Fdr was a socialist piece of shit cripple cuck. Teddy was legitimately an awesome American.

Yes but he was still in power when he had those tendencies. Shame he had to lose them at the cost of his son.

>He was a progressive, not even close to a fascist, as you said he was

I'm not here to argue that "Fascism was LEFT WING!" or anything like that, but look up Mussolini's First Fascist Platform and you'll find why he was in good company with contemporary progressives.

Fascism is more complex and covers a wider range of ideologies than can be simply covered under
>Late stage Capitalism
or some such thing.

Unironically Lincoln.

He unified the nation by force, pushed coast to coast industrialization and rail, ended a system that was holding the nation's economy back, and was gracious with his former enemy.

I'll debate with any Libertarian or Neo-Confederate, because I used to hold Libertarian and Neo-Confederate positions about Lincoln as well.

Lincoln was a Roosevelt?

My deal with FDR is that I think he went way too far in economic intervention and government intervention in general, he allowed Communist infiltrators in his administration, and he seemed soft on Stalin and Communism compared to Truman.

My deal with TR is his war mongering, and his "trust-busting" exploits were overblown; in reality he was a selective corporatist with the rest of them.
The Federal Reserve probably wasn't the worst thing about WW.
>I don't even disagree with the principle of the Fed any longer from some Misesian standpoint, just think that it was structured to have the banks far too much power with far too little oversight
He was despised by the Left and Right by the end of his administration for good reason.

But how was Lincoln a Roosevelt

.....it's just easier to call me stupid.

>and the inability to get erections
>being an evolutionary dead-end

FDR had 6 kids and had multiple mistresses even when he was President. He suffered from Polio you dumb twats not some spinal injury.

wtf is this stupid shit. FDR took a bat to the socialist movement in the US' knees and got the reformists to be okay with New Deal and those fucks, never learning from the past 30 years of reformism failing the workers movement, were like "lol we're okay now".

first time browsing Veeky Forums (Veeky Forums & /m/ bb here), third thread I stepped in and jesus fuck it is shit here. people thinking Teddy was a progressive LOL does that make republicans in the 80s/70s progressive for releasing the EPA? The only reason any of that shit was pushed "by" the presidents is because of large political movements by people who were angry. jfc.

being high does not stop my butthurt this fucking sucks.

I understand what you're saying. The problem with fascism is that its presence in places like Italy and Spain are often overshadowed by Germany, so it often winds up being associated with right wing racism. Not to mention the most vocal modern fascists support that right wing racism, making it difficult to determine exactly what kind of fascism a person online is talking about. I still fundamentally disagree with fascism and think Roosevelt was pretty far from it, but I see your point and agree he was very nationalistic, I just think comparing him to fascists is a bit of a stretch

Environmental protection and reigning in the big banks is pretty progressive. The name of his third party was the progressive party. Republicans then were not what they are now

yes if youre an edgy person (typically someone in college who HATES HATES HATES everyone else in college)

1. The US economy recovered its pre-depression high by 1936. The Roosevelt recession only occurred because of Republican lobbying to cut public spending.
2. The Japanese attacked America without warning this day 75 years ago
3. FDR had 6 kids

>people thinking Teddy was a progressive LOL
I don't think you understand what a progressive was back then

Eleanor>Franklin>Teddy

Eleanor was a boss.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich–Vreeland_Act

Notice the date?

Is Trump the new Teddy Roosevelt?

In the best possible world, he could be. Realistically probably one of the Gilded Age presidents

This. Bitch should have ran herself

No. Teddy would be appalled by his silver spoon lifestyle alone, let alone his corporatist tendencies

Anyone else listen tk History on fire last 2 episodes and get red pilled on Teddy? He's the fucking man in my book.

>preserved the American landscape
>Held food companies accountable for safety
>Drained the swamp in American politics
>Told fucktard companies to get their shit together
>Established America's dominance in the world

as a Southerner, my only complaint with Lincoln is getting shot and Andrew Johnson.

Reconstruction did more harm to the South than the war or the end of slavery.

Also the 14th Amendment is not consitutional. As only one CSA state ratified it pre certification and not under duress. the other CSA states rejected it. Some only ratified it before certification because they had their state governments suspended and under military occupation until they ratified.

I don't think that was constitutional.

lol I understand what they were dude. literally obsessed with political/economic history of the US rai heah.

I'm not a dumb republican who thinks lincoln would accept me now just because we were both in the same party LOL. My point is, these progressive measures carried out--by democrat or republican, progressive/social democrat or dumbasses like Nixon & Reagan--almost always due to the fact that there is a grassroots working class movement pushing that issue forward, and not due to generosity or empathy from the parties or presidents.

Gilded Age Garfield?

>implying Teddy wasn't rich as fuck from a de-facto noble family

>>Drained the swamp in American politics
......

You can determine an user's age by how much they fetishize Teddy and disdain FDR.

FDR was horrible.

If Germany and Japan hadn't gone retarded. Causing countries to borrow and buy from the USA, and the destruction of foreign industry. Then FDR would have been known as a failure.

>......
nice fucking reddit signiture

FDR got lucky.

1. FDR
2. Lincoln (would be #1 if not for assassination fucking up reconstruction and setting racial issues back 100 years)
3. Teddy
4. Polk
5. McKinley (so much potential before being shot)

You still haven't explained how Lincoln was a Roosevelt

Constitutional amendments cannot by definition be unconstitutional.

>tfw Carter was too good of a person to be president
At least he's accomplished things after and is still kicking

the way the 14th was ratified.

Federal government passed the Reconstruction Act with out southern state legislators. It denied the southern states representation in Federal Government and put the state government under military control, until they ratified the 14th amendment.

now show me where in the Constitution, that the US federal government has the power to do any of that.

Carter did more to defeat the Soviets than Reagan did. His deregulation of domestic oil prices caused a huge surge in oil production and a drop in prices. Which lead to the late 80's Oil Glut. The Oil Glut bankrupted the Soviet economy.

>prolonged depression
t. liar or fool

FDR was a fag