Ace Combat General #388 - /aceg/

>10

F-35, stop flashing people on the ground, you naughty little plane

Everyone says that AC5 has too many gimmicky levels, so now I'm gonna make a list of every mission in 4, 5, and 0, and whether I think they're gimmicky or not.
Gimmicky levels are greentexted for ease of reading.

>AC4
1: Not a gimmick
2: Not a gimmick
3: Not a gimmick
4: Not a gimmick
5: Not a gimmick
6: Not a gimmick
7: Not a gimmick
8: Not a gimmick
9: Not a gimmick
10: Not a gimmick
11: Not a gimmick (but it is an escort mission)
12: Superweapon fight
>13: Gimmicky
>14: Gimmicky
15: Not a gimmick
16: Not a gimmick
17: Not a gimmick
18: Superweapon fight

>AC5
1: Not a gimmick
2: Not a gimmick
3: Not a gimmick
4: Not a gimmick
5: Not a gimmick
6: Not a gimmick
7: Not a gimmick/Superweapon fight
>8: Gimmicky (and an escort mission)
9: Not a gimmick
10: Not a gimmick
11A: Not a gimmick
>11B: Gimmicking so hard you don’t even get real weapons
12A: Not a gimmick
>12B: Gimmicky as hell
13: Superweapon fight
14: Not a gimmick
>15: Another gimmicky escort mission
16A: Not a gimmick
16B: Not a gimmick
17: Not a gimmick but it does have way too much lead up and chopper deserved to die if he can’t work out where to crash a plane other than a stadium
18: Not a gimmick
>19: Gimmicky because if you’re playing campaign you’ll be flying an attacker and now have to dodge all this missile spam.
>20: Gimmicky, your plane isn’t even a real combat plane.
21: Not a gimmick
>22: Gimmicky (oh wow no weapons again)
23: Not a gimmick
24 Not a gimmick
25: Superweapon fight
26: Not a gimmick
27: Not a gimmick
28: The longest tunnel run this is a gimmick only if you hate tunnel runs
29: Superweapon “fight”

>AC0
1: Not a gimmick
2: Not a gimmick
3: Not a gimmick
4: Not a gimmick
5: Not a gimmick
6: Not a gimmick
7: Not a gimmick
8: Not a gimmick though the laser bit might be a wee bit
9: Superweapon fight
10: Not a gimmick
11: Not a gimmick
12: Not a gimmick
13: Not a gimmick
14: Not a gimmick
15: Superweapon fight
16: Not a gimmick
17: Tunnel run
18: Superbuddy fight

There we go, conclusive proof that AC5 is the gimmickiest AC game out there.

Good enough for me

Tbqh I don't think 05 should get the praise it does, to me the best 3 games in the series are 3 0 and 4

That said, it still has the most non gimmick levels, too.
Interesting.

0 has no gimmicky levels, the only one you could argue was a gimmick was the final boss, 5 however has gimmicks up the ass

Yeah I never understood why it got all the praise, the story and characters never really stood out to me.

That's becauase it has too many levels.

Now, I'm not promising anything, but would any of you buddies be interested in Ace Combat car stickers? Either AC3 corporations or squadron logos?
Made a strawpoll to spike interest for now:
strawpoll.me/15091213

>car stickers
>not plane stickers

>Only one vote
It was me

It also has the most levels, so let's put it into perspective, discounting tunnel runs and superweapons:
>AC4: 2/18, 11%
>AC5: 7/31, 22%
>AC0: 0/18, 0%
>ACAH: 100%[\spoiler]
What were the gimmicks counted in the lists? I can't recall off the top of my head.

For 4
13: Shoot down the balloons
14: Shoot down the missiles

For 5 it is
8: The Radar dodging president escort mission
11B: Use a plane to drop tonnes of countertoxin on massive plumes of nerve gas then chase a helicopter for 5min
12B: Four horsemen: "Oops I messed up at the count of 0" edition
15: Nagase can pick out the sound of your engines even though you fly a different plane every mission
19: 8492nd ambush you while you're in a warthog
20: Follow Pops as nothing happens for way too long
22: Fly along a river, take two pictures, then fly away.

AC5 might just have a fifth of it's missions be gimmicky, but it was an aggravating fifth.
Were there no high-altitude missions? Those might be conted as gimmicky. What about canyon runs? Are those gimmicky, much like tunnel runs?

Being reminded of those missions makes me hope they won’t try any of that again in 7

Nothing since 3 has had high altitude missions.
There's the canyon run where you're listening to uni students disarm a nuke, but it's not that bad and canyon runs in general aren't that gimmicky, they're just a trope that AC has.

This is subjective. I would argue that 12B, 15, and 19 aren't gimmicks.

>Nagase can pick out the sound of your engines even though you fly a different plane every mission
Because you're the only pillock who would dive into heavy AA in an Eagle with absolutely no regards for his own safety. Also
>18+
>Not doing the previous mission in a Fishbed for shits and giggles

Why's AC5 out of 31?

Wasn't the mission in 4 where you shoot down those sentient missiles high altitude?

He counted 8492, The Unsung War, and missions 11B and 12B as separate.

>12B
Four Horseman's opening is a terrible gimmick which is exacerbated by the random chance of wingmen messing up.
>15
Using the ping to find Nagase is easy but annoying, and the bit where you have to escort Goblin One is worse.
>19
This one is maybe the least gimmicky, because in a good plane it's easy enough, but becasue it's straight after one of the most ground pounding missions in the game it's never fun to play. The missiles that spawn directly in front of you out of thin air should qualify as a gimmick by themselves.

Nah, that's right down near the glacier.

But I already counted those seperately...

Oh wait he did 11A/B and 12A/B seperately, 31 is right.

>counting branching missions as a single one
The Unsung War might be labelled +, but it's completely distinct from the previous one.

>Four Horseman's opening is a terrible gimmick which is exacerbated by the random chance of wingmen messing up.
Your wingmen can't mess this up. Except for Chopper asking for the count to be reset, in which case you just circle once and come back. I never understood why so many people on here had a problem with this mission. You have a goddamn running clock in the corner of the screen you can use to know when to fire.
>escort Goblin One
Not hard if you fly straight to the far end of the AA line and start with the chopper instead of working your way in.
>8492
All you really need to do is point east and fire the afterburners. For the missiles at the beginning, just point your nose 45 degrees up or down.

Post planefus, buddies!
>But I already counted those seperately...
as 11B and 12B. Counting the lines in reveals 32 total missions.

I don't think it's a matter of "having a problem" with these missions difficulty wise, it's that they are annoying to play and kind of stupid.

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>it's that they are annoying to play
See, that's the subjective part. I don't find any of them annoying because of the stuff I said above.

They're still kind of stupid if you don't find them annoying.
inb4 "actually I don't think that missiles appearing out of nowhere is stupid."

What's the difference between a bulls eye and bingo in 3?

Bullseye is the eye of a bull
And bingo was his name-o

If we're going to count missions that had stupid elements as being gimmicky, you better really expand that list.

They are, however, objectively gimmicky, as in they contain gameplay elements that aren't present during standard gameplay, forcing a change in approach. Note that this is different from a level being clearable via different strategies since it strips the player of choice. That lack of options in regard to the gimmick is what people get riled about.
>8492
In free mission mode, it's a relatively standard mission. However in the campaign you most likely took an attacker into the previous mission, since there are no warnings for the AA engagement that follows. And for first time players, it leaves a bad impression.

All this talk of gimmicky levels yet no talk of Ace Combat X? I like the game and all but I have to admit it seems like just about every level is built around some alternate success/failure condition.

That's because no one played it.

The worst part about 8492 is that there's a 3 mission gap where you can't save, and two of them are the worst mission in the game, so you have to do them all in one sitting.

It's mostly gimmicks due to the "objective display" being an integral part of the game, but they're nowhere as bad as AC5's.

Post music you'd dogfight to.
youtube.com/watch?v=KYfNaL9lODs

youtu.be/MUM_N0bQS4c
Maybe not from the beginning, but at some point the music picks up the pace and gets real good.

>exhaustive daily routine
>3 months doing nothing but work, train and study in a daily basis
>start feeling pain, exhaustion, sleepy all day
>try playing something
>get bored in minutes
>"time for Ace Combat, this will surely help"
>start Zero
>get bored
>start 3DS
>get pissed with horrible controls, then bored
>start Infinity
>get disconnected

At this point, I'm afraid I might not have any desire left by the time 7 is out.
I'm scared guys

AC7 might help you because it’s something you haven’t experienced yet, so you don’t necessarily just play for the gameplay but because you want to see the story.
Made me play quite a few games even in times when I really didn’t feel like playing anything.
(And don’t worry it’ll get better)

Burnout is real, Buddy, and sometimes playing a game and counting on feeling better from it just drags the game down into the frustration you're already feeling.

Just take a step back. Try and find some way to break the rut and/or experience some genuine downtime and passiveness.

youtube.com/watch?v=fhyhP_5VfKM
Where do I find some good gun dogfighting music?

By playing AC 0

Beyond AC stuff of course.

youtube.com/watch?v=eu-QEKnTr0s
Is this cheating?

BEAT OF THE RISING SUN
WINGS OF FIRE TSUBASA NI
NIGHT OF FIRE

I voted for stickers. Go vote for stickers.

Who else had their level of play increase exponentially during the second half of Supercircus ?

Eurobeat is for racing only

>no JUMPING UP THE NATIONS

Dunno how others feel about it but I always liked the DOMINA soundtrack

youtu.be/JPtSNYSqwMQ

>spoiler
Amd what about the AC6 drifting A-10 of many RCL?

How come you always have patrician taste?
For some reason I remembered this
>Benny Goodman did a few tours in Italy during Mussolini's rule
>where billboards advertised "Beniamino Buonuomo"
Forgetting POWER OF SOUND

It's alright if you pretend to be in a race for the whole campaign.

I'll give it a listen later. That was that Gladiator game?

But you two also forgot I WANNA DANCE , also my favourite song GIVE ME LOVE AND MONEY

And what about LOVE IS IN DANGER

ROCKING HARD
CORE
OVER THE WORLD

Yeah, Domina was about training gladiators, and the soundtrack only has real music for the first 30 mins, the rest is just spoopy roman ambiance

Because the Crimson Skies doundtrack has so short tracks that I have to look elsewhere for music that fits into 1920s dogfighting and air piracy

>Beniamino Buonuomo
The first name is one thing but the second is brilliance

I wanna dance is top tier

All I remember id the leg shaking animation for training

It has something utterly unique to it. Also, what's your favourite CS plane?
>The first name is one thing but the second is brilliance
Luigi Braccioforte also comes to mind, along with Del Duca and Car-melito.

youtube.com/watch?v=lrFLSjIA-xY

Warhawk, easily.
It's a real shame that the later additions to the roster for the tabletop were really hit and miss. The Misericorde is also kinda neat though.

That doesn't really work for me.

>names
At least they were consistent with it.

Since there is no good pic of it online here is one I just took

That is bloody gorgeous. I still love pic related.
Shame I don't really have music to go with it. Is youtube.com/watch?v=JrFjFOjxYyA good enough for you?

Afternoon, buddies!
What's everyone up to today?

Setting up a scribble of sorts and shamelessly copying X-29A Guy's excellent idea for a drawing..

Gonna go to a food truck festival with friends and then make fun of Black Panther

>can't gamble in actual Vegas because it's now a near post-apocalyptic tier shithole where everyone has guns and planes
>let's just rebuild the city in the sky
It's not even that far fetched for the setting.

>song
I can't into italian tho

Reminded myself that I have a bunch of CS minis that I never painted. I should do that after some of the other models.

>"Gambling is legal wherever you want if you are flying and protected by a militia." - (You)
Really, the setting is tons of fun. Just imagine how would the air pirate version of Tortuga look like.
>song
It's about a promiscuous woman who goes to a small village and manages to utterly enrage the entire female population of the town.
Everyone here loves De André, for very good reasons. I'd recommend youtube.com/watch?v=4wOSHpJrm_M (a dying man decides to have fun with his last will), youtube.com/watch?v=5ZFbFyyFICs (Charles Martel's amorous escapades and misadventures after defeating the Moors at Poitiers), and youtube.com/watch?v=cKBjwy25fkQ (describing people in a poor neighbourhood in Genoa it's Genova bloody hell fuck you SquEnix and the hypocrisy of the rich)
Any excuse to post De André, really.

This sounds like Doom 2017. This is pretty good.

>Tortuga
Sky Haven? Or rather all of Colorado? A barely governed mess of pirate bases, bars and brothels.
I think HRTR also had that island in the sea as a pirate town.

>song
Some of them remind me of stuff like this in tone and all.
youtube.com/watch?v=PkGatIgXERI&list=PLUjIiRlOUyHoNUk0nhdp9vjRSURfDyYT8 Dropped a match on the carpet, leading to the carpet catching fire, leading to a fire in the city, leading to civil war, leading to a world war, leading to extinction Good thing then that he picked up the match again before anything caught fire
The only problem with the one I linked is that nobody bothered to upload the lot to youtube or to anywhere. There's also one about flying, but it's only up there with a shitty animation and sound effects over everything..

Doom did have some exceptional music, though. Just think about Rip and Tear or BFG division.
I don't know too much about CS, it's just that I find the designs very interesting.
>spoiler
hearty kek.

Talespin with more bickering nation states mostly.
I just wish that the game would stop stuttering on my end, or that someone would make a digital version of the boardgame, Battletech got something like that IIRC.
Well that or for someone to want to play it around here.

So what pictures are still in progress for the collage? I saw the Nosferatu last thread and I remember one Eagle and the R-201 were in the works.

>here
Locally, not the thread of course.

I liked the Devastator and Firebrand.

Raptor buddy was still working on his own. He had posted pic related, but he decided to go and make something better as said in 205122587. Good luck to him.

To be honest all of the original designs were pretty good.

Oh right. Thanks

>that last level in House of the Dying Sun
This really is just Homeworld isn't it?

Wait a second. What happened to everyone else?
Fucking Grey Men.
Is the game as fun as everyone says?

It's short, as in you get about 15-20 missions out of it and they can all be completed in about 2-5 minutes, more if you go for bonus objectives. But on a lot of them you have to hurry because the enemy will call in their flagship. Technically you can be around in the mission as long as you want but I doubt it'll take more than 10-15mins to clear all the enemies or objectives.
So really you're looking at about 2h or so of game, with fuckups and deaths included.

But it is fucking fun. With an X52 HOTAS support not guaranteed so I just listed mine, which worked and trackIR it was brilliant. And the simple idea of just going around assassinating the murdered Emperor's court is pretty cool. Nevermind that it looks homeworldy and neat.

>what happened to the others
It's always kinda dead on saturday evenings.

Turns out theres also a mechanic that I didn't use for the entire game, which is apparently some HW esque tactical view to give more precise orders and all. That may have made some missions easier.

darkroastedblend.com/2008/06/unexpected-creativity-found-in-unusual.html
The last entry in this article
>Tactical Cuteness
Absolutely Belkan

Nice!
If you do care about it, here's Charles Martel's lyrics
King Charles returned from the war
welcomed by his land, laurels adorning him.
The warm spring sun
shone bright on the victor's armour.

The blood of Prince and Moor alike
stained the crest of the same colour
but what was on Charles' mind
wasn't his wounds, but his .

"Thirst for glory and honour
may extinguish war for the victor,
but don't give a seconf to make love.
Who imposes the belt on his spouse
really risks,
he could lose the key in battle".

The Christian king so muses
kneeling in the wheat, crowned by flowers.
A clear pond mirrors
the Moors' slayer on his horse.

And then in the water
appears love itself
between long blond braids
il seno si confonde ignudo in pieno sol.

"I've never seen anything so gorgeous,
I've never gazed on such a beautiful damsel!"
exclaimed Charles;
"Oh, knight, halt not
someone else already finds joy in me.
Quench your thirst somewhere else".

Surprised by her resolve
and somewhat offended, king Charles stopped;
but his hunger prevailed over his honour,
and he impatiently removed his brown helm.

This was his secret weapon,
often used when in great peril
she set her gaze on a giant nose
an unsightly sight, but he was her king.

"If you weren't my Lord"
-Charles unsheathes his heavy broadsword-
"I wouldn't hide my wish to run away;
but since you're my Lord"
-Charles removes that cage of his-
"I must give myself without any shame".

A valiant knight, he was
and truly did he excel in this deed;
thus finished,
he tried to get back on his horse.
cont.
Oh, nice. I wonder what people would think about this.

The girl caught him,
handing a receipt to her Lord:
"Oi, since you're me guv'na
it's five thou'and quid, good price right here m8".

"Oh goddammit, how come
literally every adventure in this land
has to involve giant whores!
Even the price is debatable
I remember that before I came
it was less than three thousand".

Thus said, he acted like an arse
and like a lion he jumped up his horse;
beating it like an ass
he escaped across the woods.

King Charles returned from the war
welcomed by his land, laurels adorning him.
The warm spring sun
shone bright on the victor's armour.

>il seno si confonde ignudo in pieno sol.
the nude breasts fading in the sunlight

What was the relation to that though?

What the fuck is this

None, I just posted without realising that it was unrelated. Hurrah for my retardation.