Are Turks Mongols?

Are Turks Mongols?

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No, Turks in turkey have no relations to mongols.

Turks in turkey are turkic only in language. n terms of genetics they are not turkic or negligibly turkic.

Turks originally come from Mongolia

Turks in turkey do not come from anywhere other than anatolia/the levant/southern europe.

Phenotypically they don't appear Asian influenced but analysis of their DNA shows that most of them have several percentages of East-Central Asian heritage.
Source: use Google.

sure, they probably do have some turkic descent, but for the most part they don't

No, Im sure you will find some mongol dna in them due to years of mongol domination. But do ot slur the good name of the mongol by calling them turks

You talking about the White Huns? or is that something different?

No they just were another semisteppe people that assimilated lightly on the borders.

No and it's not because they are now just Anatolians roleplaying Turks but because they were never Mongols in the first place.

Mongols aren't related to Turkics either. They are different groups of peoples that used to live in same area as nomads and some of Genghis armies had Turkics in it, that's their relation.

So, Mongols =/= Turks =/= modern Anatolians ?

Mongols are Altais who headed east and have more chinese blood in them. Turks are Altais who headed west and have more Iranic blood in them.

Modern Turkish are treacherous greeks.

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The original population of the steppe were a mix of Siberian(Nganasan like),Beringian(Chukchi like) and Afanasevo(Indo Europeans).

Starting from Karasuk and ending in the Iron Age,East Asian autosomal ancestry(Northern Han like) expands in several pulses(likely from the northern fringes of Sinitic civilization i.e. Rong and Di).

Original Mongolics were native to eastern Inner Mongolia.

Original Turkics were native to western/central Mongolia.

Oghuz Turkics are a mix of Altai Turkics and Iranic polities.

Anatolian Turks are mainly natives with minor Oghuz Turkic input.

>Starting from Karasuk and ending in the Iron Age
Meant to state that East Asian ancestry gradually increased all the way to the Mongol invasions not that it ended in the Iron Age.

No. They're not even truly Turkic. Turks are a mongrel race with more Caucasian and Middle Eastern heritage than Central Asian.

So does that mean the modern Turks are Greek Muslims?

No,modern Turks cluster with Kurds,Armenians and Caucasians.

The incoming Turks were vastly outnumbered by the local sedentary population but Turkic input may be disproportionate due to elite dominance/overproduction.

Using East Asian as proxy for Turkic ancestry is misleading as the original Turkics had minor West Eurasian ancestry and the western most Turks(Oghuz Turks) were heavily admixed with native Indo European populations before moving west.

Karasuk culture (Mongolia, China. 1500–800 BC)

Karasuk culture describes a group of Bronze Age societies who ranged from the Aral Sea to the upper Yenisei in the east and south to the Altai Mountains and the Tian Shan in ca. 1500–800 BC.[1]

Vital trade contact is traced from northern China and the Baikal region to the Black Sea and the Urals, influencing the uniformity of the culture

specifically Proto-Iranian identity of the Karasuk culture.[1] The Karasuk tribes have been described by archaeologists as exhibiting pronounced Europoid features

The individuals surveyed were all determined to be Europoid and light-eyed

practiced Scytho animal art style (Scythian art).

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>specifically Proto-Iranian identity of the Karasuk culture.[1] The Karasuk tribes have been described by archaeologists as exhibiting pronounced Europoid features
This is why you don't use Wikipedia.

Karasuk was autosomally much more Siberian(Nganasan like) than previous cultures who had a Amerindian/Beringian affinity in addition to Afaensivo admixture.

The iron age Altai samples from Allenthoft RISE samples have a East Asian affinity that Karasuk lacked and they cluster with modern day Bashkirs,Hakas,Altaians and Tatars.
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>The Okunevo culture autosomally looks like a mixture of Afanasievo with Amerinds, the Karasuk looks like a further dilution of that with Central Siberian/Beringian-like ancestry. By the time of the Iron Age, the autosomes ~200BCE are already most similar to Bashkir and Siberian Tatar, containing a ~10% fraction of Japanese/Han-like East Asian ancestry, the rest Siberian, adding to 50% West Eurasian 50% East Eurasian overall. By ~700AD, just after the dominance of the Gokturks, but before the arrival of the Mongolic federations, the samples are similar to present-day Altaian and Khakass, only ~30% West Eurasian, the rest East Eurasian, and the proportion of Japanese/Han-like East Asian ancestry is increased yet further compared to before.
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>Mongols are Altais who headed east and have more chinese blood in them.
Mongolic urheimat is not the Altai.

The earliest identified proto Mongolics are the Donghu/Wuhuan/Xianbei of eastern Inner Mongolia who most likely derive part of their ancestry from the Liao river basin.

No we are turkic but turkics and mongols had close relations because both lived in the same area so ofcourse there was much cultural mixing.

You are very correct. Here are few eurogenes k15 results ( I don't know how to post the whole thing).

Plus the supplementary cluster map.

The question whether the original proto Turkics resemble Altaians,Bashkirs and Khakass or the Tuvans and the Buryats.

If they are related to the former than then the ancestors of the Oghuz Turkics already had significant West Eurasian admixture.

>Turks originally come from Mongolia
And Mongols originally migrated from Siberia. They (mostly) adopted Turkic culture, but apart from cross-marriage resulting from raiding (which happened everywhere in the world) they share little genetic connection with each other.

>Karasuk was autosomally much more Siberian
this retarded meme all over again


the early Karasuk were indeed YT who exposed their blonde weiners far east all the way into Liao's river

>Phenotypically they don't appear Asian influenced but analysis of their DNA shows that most of them have several percentages of East-Central Asian heritage.
So do Russians, are they turks too?

Middle Asia was amount of small tribes without stable communications, but with fluent change of antropological attributes. Mongols and Turks are same bad memes for population of Middle Asia as Indeans or Arabs for separate small tribes of North America or Middle East.
Initial Ottoman Turks were yellow, but modern Turks are complicated mix - inculding white.

Wikipedia babble doesn't invalidate autosomal dna.

No, iirc turks are generally a mixture of the different populations that lived in anatolia. Their far eastern admixture is minimal.