What do you think about these sort of games? Are we fucked for endorsing such glorified depictions of actual war...

Fun things are fun.

Shooting digital Kr*uts is fun.

Its all good.

I actually real like how violent and pornographic mass media has gotten. It's much more in tune with man's innate sensibilities.

On the other hand FPS's are very often jingoistic wankery.

What? I don't understand -- are you against video games about war?

Nobody glorifies a war from a fucking video game, they're just fun to play since the mechanics of "move, react, shoot this guy" is pleasurable and making them is good money for corporations. It's just a theme, people don't take it that seriously and the people who do are massively childish.

Should we stop playing tag because it glorifies hunting down prey/escaping from people?

Christ, you sound like a concerned mother.

This is a ridiculously stupid parallel you're drawing. I'm questioning why we're okay with turning a crazy battle into a cartoon and call it fun. It stands to reason that we shouldn't be teaching this version of history. And yes, people learn based on this kind of media.

>why we're okay with turning a crazy battle into a cartoon and call it fun

Because it's fun? The risk of the battle isn't really there, so you can shoot and kill all the people you want in a simulated environment.

Playing sports cause injury but why do people do it? Because it is fun.

>It stands to reason that we shouldn't be teaching this version of history. And yes, people learn based on this kind of media.

Surely you are joking, unless you are a professor of military warfare from playing Call of Duty.

A video game's historical value is so low, it's hardly worth noting. Sure there may be facts every now and there, but you will absolutely not get any full picture.

If you've a qualm against any rendition of history because it's not 100% accurate, you might as well complain of movies and even certain books -- basically anything not scholarly-approved.

Now if it's a moral issue about the violence of video game, that's a different discussion, but also likewise completely without merit.

You can't justify everything with its fun. It also doesn't answer my question.

More automatic weapons than a WW2 game

Evidently I can, because of its general mainstream popularity.

What kind of answer are you even looking for?

It just sounds like you're saying "why do people like things I don't like", at which point I can't really fully explain to you why people like it, otherwise you would have liked it yourself a long time ago.

Well the 1st amendment tells you to fuck off, don't touch my videogames.

as long as it doesn't claim to be some shining example of historical accuracy, why should we care? it's a video game, its sole purpose is to be fun. it's the fault of the idiots consuming it if they decide to base their perception of history on it, or any vidya for that matter.

>such glorified depictions of actual war?
That isn't what its doing, at all.
>And yes, people learn based on this kind of media.
And those people are idiots regardless of what kind of media they're exposed to. Inability to separate fantasy from reality is a sing of mental problems, and inability to further investigate a field that grabs your interest is a sign of lack of intelligence.

It is well that war is so terrible - otherwise we would grow too fond of it.
- Robert E. Lee

>Are we fucked for endorsing such glorified depictions of actual war?

Maybe. But then again video games don't really have much to do with it. The idea of the "glory of war" is repackaged and sold generation after generation. Just look at the millions of people who immediately rushed to sign up for World War I -- see pic, which coincidentally has Hitler in it as WWI started and people were enlisting by the thousands. They all thought they were going to have this glorious warrior experience, when in reality they would more likely end up dying of disease in a ditch somewhere, surrounded by shit and mice and their dead friends.

You could perhaps argue that video games help perpetuate the glorified myth, but this is no different than the way, say, films like to depict it. I guess what I'm saying is that it doesn't really fucking matter, because glorifying war is just something we do. If you believe man-made violence will be the end of humanity, then yeah, we're fucked. But video games didn't really do much to make us be this way, it's just how we've always been.

Personally I'm more optimistic and I don't think that violence and war will be the end of us. That will probably be climate change.

Let me guess, you grew up with a nice comfortable life and you've never been anywhere near war. Because a person who has ever been effected by war, directly or indirectly, would never say something so stupid.

The entire sell of the Battlefield series is realism so there goes that argument.

>people can't enjoy war
History is full of people who say that they had the best time of their lives during war.

>The entire sell of the Battlefield series is realism
literally no

By its very nature, a video game cannot truly be realistic akin to actual war.

Just because marketers sell it as (((realistic))) doesn't mean it actually is...

I never said people CAN'T enjoy war. I'm well aware of they can. I've heard the adrenaline of combat described as something like a more intense cocaine.

But do you honestly believe that people who enjoy war - not the people who cope with it, and obviously not people traumatized by it, but people who actually enjoy the experience, are all that common? I think your view of humanity is pretty bleak if you don't believe that these are an overwhelmingly small instances of war experiences.

People and animals have been playing games of war and conflict for centuries. Baby lions pretend to be hunters and little kids act like soldiers. They don't understand the horror of war and those games help their physical conditions too.

>What do you think about these sort of games?

Simple entertainment in the vein of an action movie with no plot/story.

>Are we fucked for endorsing such glorified depictions of actual war?

Glorifying war is not unique to video games. Movies do it, Television does it, Literature does it. It would take a special kind of idiot to look at these forms of media and think it would be anything but horrifying in reality. Most people, no matter how uninformed, would never unironically think that the violence portrayed in media is even close to reality. If anything, I think these forms of media are a net positive on average. Games like Battlefield 1 can get a formerly uninformed person to look into the actual events surrounding the game and maybe learn something in the process. I started looking into The Eastern Front of WW2 because of the Russian campaign in the original Call of Duty, Europa Universalis sparked my friend's interest in the history of Renaissance-era Europe. You can ridicule these games as much as you want for being shallow, or historically inaccurate, as they indeed are, but they do much more good than harm in my experience.

>I'm all for fantasy shit don't don't think I'm on a soap box

That's all personal preference, some people want shallow entertainment. Honestly I'll admit, I unironically enjoy Battlefield 1's multiplayer for when I just wanna play a mindless shooter.