Wars between England and France

No one denies the British army and BEF were small. What retards on Veeky Forums need to stop doing is to stop judging a country's influence by land army size

If you want to see just how irrelevant it really is, look at the russo japanese war

The fact is, Britain's far larger economy, influence and international trade meant it held more sway over france than france held over it.

>it held more sway over france than france held over it.
But not really as Britain needed the military muscle that Britain lacked. Obviously Britain was more influential and had more soft power than France but there was no way on Earth that Britain could project itself military in Europe without France

Yeah, I agree. Militarily, and on the continent Britain relied on France. Though in terms of soft power and diplomatic influence, britain was far higher.

It's comparable to the russo-sino alliance of today

no, britain and france struggled for centuries and in the end britain emerged as the more dominant power, able to frustrate french ambitions on the geopolitical scene and dictate the pax Britannia, spain and france stuggled for centuries before spain was eclipsed as a major power by the begining of the 18th century.

also when france beat britain the consequnces for defeat for britain tended to be negotiated peace settlements and a ceasation of hostilities, when france lost to britain it tended to lose harder, being forced to make serious territorial concessions

Apart from the seven years war (which wasn't that big of a defeat) which other major victory has Britain/England inflected on France. Spain kicked France out of one of the wealthiest regions in Europe and dictated French policy way harder than Britain ever did. Really this "overblowing victories" that Britain infringed don't exist.

britain won the spanish succession, and came out of the austrian succession with its goals accomplished.

between the end of the nine years war in 1697 (which ended with the main british objective accomplished) and the start of the pax britannia, britain either won or withdrew with its goals accomplished from every war with france, and that period of history while also including the brief zenith of french power also showed a slow and steady decline in french power and a corresponding rise in british power and influence from a smallish island state on the fringes of europe to the dominant power in world affairs

post a thread about France and Spain
get an Anglo invasion
>Muh UK better muh always won
A LA MIERDA ANGLOS RRRRRRREEEEEEE!!!!!
GIB BACK GIBRALTAR !!!!!!!!!

>IN
>PERPETUITY

OP explicitly asked for a comparison of spain and britain in terms of which represents frances true nemesis, he got it.

that the comparison doesnt flatter spain is besides the point OP brought in the UK from the start.

>A LA MIERDA ANGLOS RRRRRRREEEEEEE!!!!!
>GIB BACK GIBRALTAR !!!!!!!!!

treaty of utrecht mother fuckers although spain might be able to buy gibraltar for about £500 billion, if they can also convince the locals

>England crushed France for the entire 18th century though

Maybe, but what's a century on a millenium of rivalry

Spain BTFO France during the Italian Wars, but that's about it
Look at your pic, Spain only won the Seven Coalition on paper (they didnt fight any battle) and in the Peninsular War they had to be saved by Brits despite the fact it was a secondary theater to the French

The history Franco-Spanish wars goes basically like that:
-16th century = Spain wrecks France
-17th century = France wrecks Spain
-18th century = Spain has become France's vassal until the revolution
-19th century = France wrecks Spain

I'm not aware of any war between them prior to the 16th century (except the Battle of Muret) or after 1815

>treaty of utrecht mother fuckers although spain might be able to buy gibraltar for about £500 billion, if they can also convince the locals

Leave it be, Gibltair will be used by the Spain's nationalistic wing forever and ever as rallying point, but will never do anything with it, since they don't want to give Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco (which ,as this point, is getting antsy in trying to get Spain to cede).

>7 years war
>France
You fucking what? That's the war that gave Britain the empire and lost France her place in the sun. It destroyed French India, and lost them the starting point which the British then used to expand and dominate the best colonies. France got the left over shit the British didn't want to deal with, like Vietnam

He mistyped faggot, he corrected in the post right below
The first sentence of his post shoud have given out ("Outside of the 7 years war")

And anyway the Seven Years War was far from as relevant as you think
Pic related, in orange the size of the British Empire by 1790
The real British Empire was built by conquering backward shitholes between 1860 and 1890

>And anyway the Seven Years War was far from as relevant as you think

it established british primacy in india, or at least primacy among the european powers, that was extremely important for the future empire, India and the Caribbean territories were immensely profitable, indeed the Caribbean was worth more in terms of income than the north american colonies

>India is relevant

Pooinloo detected

economically it was immensely profitable, the africa territories added great land area but the economic core of the imperial possessions was the caribbean and india

Wouldn't it be better to say France's true nemesis would be between England and the Von Habsburgs?

I feel like most of Frances struggles with Spain came less from the fact that it was Spain and more from the fact that there was a Von Habsburg on the Spainish throne.

France's policies really stopped being directed towards Spain after the Spanish war of Succession, when the Von Habsburg reign ended in Spain.

France did a lot more shit to stop and curtail the powers of the Von Habsburgs than they did Spain specifically. Like allying with the protastents, or the frankish-turk alliance.

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Germany is the true rival of France, they both have the same origins, share a border and have fought each other for many centuries and at times have been very evenly matched. Whereas England is just some annoying country across the channel from France that kept trying to pick fights with them.
Although there certainly is something between France and Spain, but not as much of an extent

England won the Nine Year's War?

They won the naval war (which is the only part of the conflict they took part in)
France pretty much won the land war and annexed Alsace

>britain won the spanish succession,
Kek. You have to be kidding

>Spain has become France's vassal until the revolution
The first thing that happened after the succession war was a war between Spain and France. It was far from a vassal
>in the Peninsular War they had to be saved by Brits
>This is what Britbongs actually believe

>spain was eclipsed as a major power by the begining of the 18th century.
If Spain wasn't a major power in the 18 century neither was Britain

you mean because the french candidate ended up on the throne?

that happened only because the austrian candidates elder brother died meaning he inherited the austrian crown, the british objective had been to prevent the crown of spain uniting with the crown of france and forming a major power block capable of european hegemony, the union of spain and austria was just as unacceptable, leading the british to withdraw support from the allies and negotiate a peace, rather than continue to spend money and manpower to achieve a end that had ceased to be desireable, the peace included the stipulation that the french and spanish crowns could never be united.

the british accomplished their primary war aim, gained substantial territory and checked french territorial ambitions, ending the war negotiating from a position of strength.

>Franco-Dutch war
>Dutch had a population under 2 million
>France marches 400.000 soldiers into the Dutch republic
>At the same time England attacks the republic with the royal navy
>They both fail to conquer the swamp jews

>This Britbong delusion

the brits ended the war with every single one of their geoploitical goals accomplished and forced significant territorial concessions (some of which the spanish are still pissed about) out of its enemies.

in what possible way can you interpret the spanish succession as a defeat for the british?

The Borbon candidate won. And France got an ally for over a century while Britain just spent the XVIII century losing against Spain and France.

Cant you guys see that it was a drawn?