Why didn't Jews just willingly leave Germany when the Nazis took power?
It wasn't as it the Nazis banned them from leaving, they wanted them gone. And if they had all left there wouldn't have been any holocaust.
Before they started killing them the Nazis also tried getting other countries to take them, like America, but these countries refused. Why would they refuse?
Thomas Torres
They weren't allowed to. Or they weren't allowed to leave with anything but the shirt on their backs.
Oliver Howard
They were allowed to leave if they paid next years taxes up front.
Nathaniel Bell
Look up the Haavara Agreement. The National Socialists assisted the Jews, 50,000 (one tenth of the Jewish population in Germany) in emigrating to Palestine with their possessions. Both narratives that the National Socialists intended to kill all the Jews and wouldn't let them leave are fabricated.
Levi Hernandez
they had to pay pretty much everything they had in order to leave
Blake Young
the only ones that didnt leave were the really poor ones that couldnt afford and the ones that were really rich and comfortable with their position in german society
Tyler Baker
>why doesn't the parasite want to leave the host? Gee I wonder.
Kayden Stewart
They had to pay a punitive tax and even then they couldn't really take their assets abroad because German money was worthless and Germany had no foreign exchange to spare for fleeing Jews.
Christian Fisher
>Why would they refuse? Not everyone is willing and able to leave his home at a whim of some Austrian autist.
Andrew Murphy
When the alternative is you die you'd think you'd just want to get out of there.
Jaxon Perez
When they realized that, it was already too late.
Luke Clark
Rich ones could go anywhere and plenty leave. Poor on the other hand were not welcomed. Seriously the only country who take Jews no question asked was Poland. Polish government made similar deals with local Jewish parties and support their movement to Palestine. Over all main German plan was to send Jews to Madagascar. This would fix both issues - give Jews new Israel and get them out of Europe. War force them abandon it and later they have other various problems. Germans try to use Jews as a trading card with UK and USA but nobody care about poor eastern Jews so they rot in camps and died in forced labor.
Parker Thomas
According to this Jewish history class I took nobody else wanted them. No country would take them including the US because everyone hated them at the time.
Benjamin Myers
You know "just moving" was a little more difficult in 1933 rather than now in our age of international travel and easy to obtain visas, right?
Mason Young
I remember reading materials on it It could essentially be summed up to that if you did leave, you where limited to a rather big amount of cash/bonds/bank notes.
Which also created butthurt for Rich German Capitalists that sorta wasn't on best terms due betting against the Nazi party in the 1930s elections. There is books published on the subject, that essentially boils down to "what, i can't take my IP, my production, my gold hoarde, and my engineers, and leave over night?" and the ensuring hatred from it.
Beyond that, nothing actually stopped them from leaving. Beyond their own stupidity, or in some cases: Their own lack of funds. Sure that eventually changed as the Discrimination ramped up, but that also meant Jews had between 1930s and 1941-1942 to actually pack and leave.
But the easiest thing forgotten? With no superstates, and WW1 starting the trends of passports and higher regulations of citizenship? Basically: Germany has no colonies, so there was nowhere for the Jews to go without any form of questions asked. Had British pulled this, there would have been a mass immigration towards their colonies. So the people that left, had to deal with paperwork, which in most cases was easy to deal with, since this was pre cold war.
Also nobody really wanted Jewish Diaspora, because this was still in the times where there existed "Trade quarters" in various port cities, with not integrated populations that might be temporary or permanent. Middleclass Jews wasn't really anything to collect, especially in times when The Communist Manifesto and Facism stood for elevating the lower classes.
Christian Green
It wasn't their home.
Logan Lee
Literally MILLIONS of shit poor penniless Italians, Irish and Pollacks managed to move to the US in 19th century and you're telling me that Jews were unable to?
Jason Garcia
>Why didn't Jews just willingly leave Germany when the Nazis took power? Because they had family and business in the country. And they weren't warned beforehand of the holocaust. >Before they started killing them the Nazis also tried getting other countries to take them, like America, but these countries refused. Why would they refuse? America had recently experienced a massive wave of immigration, and popular sentiment had turned against allowing further immigration. Especially of non-Germanic peoples.
Leo Rivera
>Why didn't Jews just willingly leave Germany when the Nazis took power?
You are aware that most, in fact the overwhelming majority of the Jews who died in the Holocaust, weren't from Germany, right?
Henry Parker
It was though. They legally owned the property.
Jonathan Young
>property rights
Brandon Harris
Populist sentiment in the U.S. was that they were too different and wouldn't fit into our culture- so they shouldn't be allowed to immigrate here.
Robert Collins
fuck off /pol/
Isaiah Flores
>US >culture hilarious
David Smith
>I've been found out
Jose Roberts
>Contribute nothing to a thread but shitty non arguments and gets called out >HAHA SURE SHOWED THAT KIKE JIDF BTFO
Nathaniel Kelly
And even if they wanted to, the country they settled in was probably conquered by the Germans in the war.
Nolan Evans
It wasn't their home. Germany is a country for Germans, if I buy a house in fucking Saudi Arabia it won't make me a Saudi Arab.
Sebastian Jenkins
>why would they refuse idk really makes you think
Daniel Watson
Being a citizen of saudi arabia would in fact make you a Saudi Arabian you fucking idiot, what reality distorting autism are you spouting this time
Mason Baker
>in /pol/ thread >fuck off /pol/
Jackson Bennett
If you buy that house and your next 4 generations have lived there then it's your next 4 generations' home.
Caleb Robinson
>anything but ius sangunis lmaoing @ your life
Christian Wilson
>Believing in a system that creates a permanent underclass that produces crime and drives down wages instead of absorbing them.
Julian Ross
>ius sangunis >Saudi Arabia
Nice backpedaling
Carter Wright
>permanent underclass that produces crime and drives down wage ...Jews?
Parker Myers
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Ian Long
>jus 'hey, he's in our national team because his grandpa is our countryman!' sanguinis >not the most spooked out of spooks
Noah Cook
Because it was their home and many of them were extremely patriotic
Camden Cook
>implying Stirner didn't believe in ethnicity
Try harder
Benjamin Harris
Is that Stirner? That's some high-tier autism
Nolan Kelly
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Carson Myers
Stirner was playing with common racial ideas here.
He was using the common thought of negroid, mongolion and caucasian ages and pointing out that current so-called caucasian society is still mongoloid by this metric, as it's anti-individual.
Also blindly following every word of Saint Max would be spooked as fuck
Adam Edwards
>Also blindly following every word of Saint Max would be spooked as fuck Well we have to blindly follow SOMEONE
Leo Jones
Some did. A whole bunch fled West into the Netherlands and France.
That sure saved them in 1940.
Isaac Cox
They were naive and didn't believe the nazis would actually act on what they were saying. also in the beginning even the nazis weren't aiming for genocide. that is something that was decided later on in wartime. after things got worse many did leave though. Anne Frank's family for example were German jews who fled to the Netherlands only to find themselves under German occupation later on. Jews who fled to France faced the same problem. Most of the Jews killed in the death camps weren't German Jews though. They were Eastern Europeans who came under German jurisdiction when Hitler and his allies invaded their countries.
Carter Adams
I hate idiots from /pol/ so much. It's sad that a history board takes them seriously. Just look at this fucking thread. Stupid op idiot doesn't even know that most Jews killed were Polish, soviet and Hungarian Jews. This is really basic knowledge. How can you discuss history with such people?
Jackson Howard
>They were naive and didn't believe the nazis would actually act on what they were saying.
Please. A Polish Zionist Jew assassinated Ernst vom Rath, the German ambassador to France, and the Kristallnacht happened in retaliation. One full year before the invasion of Poland. Not only was he assassinated by a Jew, the Jew was Polish, so obviously Jews everywhere in Europe and America were aware of the anger against them in Germany.
Austin Sullivan
A lot of Jews did leave.
Most notably all the Jewish Physicists who built the bomb.
Had the Soviets not beaten the German army, Germany would have gotten nuked by the bomb of the Jews who they kicked out of the country.
If Germans weren't so hell bent on being anti-Semites, they would have the scientists who could have literally built the bomb and nuked Moscow and London by 1945.
Think about that long and hard.
Austin Jackson
I did, then I realized the Jews would have remained and eventually had a successful socialist revolution, the Germans would have never culturally recovered, and the bomb would have been produced in Israel instead of Germany. Or maybe a German equivalent of the Rosenbergs would have smuggled plans into the USSR anyways, or maybe Germany would have been a satellite state of the USSR.
Thanks for really making me think.
Landon Robinson
The Jewish scientists who built the bomb were neither socialists nor Zionists.
Had Germany kept them, they would have won the war and the Nazis would still be in power today.
But MUH JEWS! THE JEWS DID IT ALL! OH NOES!
Jordan Rodriguez
>I did, then I realized the Jews would have remained and eventually had a successful socialist revolution >m-muh Spartacist boogeyman!
Funny how one failed minor uprising is all the justification the Germans need to genocide the Jews, but another failed minor uprising is all they needed to elect the Nazis into the government.
Really makes one use their noggin.
Connor Gomez
>mfw Jewish Physics was an actual party line Himmler pushed >mfw they literally labeled the Theory of Relativity as anti-Aryan and banned its teaching
And people try to say that Germany had the best scientists in the world.
Mason Brown
Oh look it's a /pol/ack manipulating history again. Just read about Herszel Grynszpan on Wikipedia.
Dylan Wright
And are you fucking retarded. If the Germans had the bomb the first thing they would do would nuke USSR, so no one could smuggle the bomb to them.
Kevin Lee
>Please. A Polish Zionist Jew assassinated Ernst vom Rath, the German ambassador to France, and the Kristallnacht happened in retaliation.
the pogroms had been planned long before that
>Not only was he assassinated by a Jew, the Jew was Polish, so obviously Jews everywhere in Europe and America were aware of the anger against them in Germany.
this doesn't make any sense, what are you even trying to say here
Nathan Wood
>would've been a socialist revolution
>when the majority of German jews were conservative, as opposed to the Eastern European jews who are primarily liberal and socialist
>not knowing basic shit in 2016
Zachary Sanchez
>this doesn't make any sense, what are you even trying to say here
It means he's drafting the new UKIP policy on Poles as we speak.
Gavin Taylor
>one person does x
>therefore all people vaguely related to x exhibit the same motives
????????? Why do you do this to us user
Lucas Gutierrez
>making up shit in 2016
Yeah, Rosa Luxembourg isn't a real person. Oh, I guess the Germans were just lucky a Jew killed a German diplomat? Mere coincidence that the pogrom happened right after?
Adam Fisher
No, don't you get it, user? All Jews are working towards the eternal Communist revolution and the elimination of capitalism. ESPECIALLY the Jews who are wealthy industrialists and bankers. They're the most die-hard socialist of them all.
Kayden Watson
>one socialist girl who died in 1919 represents the majority of jews in germany sicne 1850 lmao
>being retarded in 2016
It's basic history my dude, it's not some debate, do you want me to link the data or are you just shitposting?
Caleb Sanders
People within Russia were "conservative" the same way German citizens were. No excuses that not only Germany maintained piece of shit leaders like Ebert, but Hitler as well. Their success was the victory of capitalist propaganda to maintain capitalism and national division.
Anthony Jackson
>Please. A Polish Zionist Jew assassinated Ernst vom Rath, the German ambassador to France, and the Kristallnacht happened in retaliation. Uh huh. That Kristallnacht was surprisingly well organized for a "spontaneous" retribution doesn't throw up any flags for you, does it.
Also >taking action against unrelated civilians across your whole country for the action of a foreigner >this is acceptable
Well then, Germans burned down France, so I say we go and burn down all the German-owned business in the world. By your logic, that's A-Okay.
Jonathan Smith
>all jews of all times, eras and places are HIVEMIND LMAO
with that utter nonsense, you're on Veeky Forums, act professional or go to /int/ where you can have the same conversation with less intelligence
Benjamin Powell
You're not following me at all. The Jews would never have developed a bomb for Germany. They only developed the bomb in America to punish Germany. They would not have supported Germany in a war against the USSR. There was already an attempt made to create a German SSR And the Jews who developed the bomb in the US eventually helped make the bomb in Israel- essentially giving a foreign power US nuclear secrets. And LBJ let them since he had been bought out by Jewish money as this user here mentions. What you don't get is they're flexible. Use what is available to maintain power, and it is well known Jewish bankers such as the Schiffs helped finance the Bolsheviks.
Juan Robinson
That's the point I'm making you nimrod. Have you never noticed that Stormfags both rail against Jews for being bankers controlling the economy AND communist revolutionaries at the same time?
Anthony Foster
>The Jews would never have developed a bomb for Germany Considering Germany didn't have the resources necessary to develop a nuclear bomb you're right, they had no heavy water facilities to even start
Despite saying """"jews"""" like all the jewish physicists are one fucking person, which is literally lunatic tier nonsense, those jewish scientists only managed to do it with American and British scientists help, they literally had the best minds in the world working together, if Germany had that they might've done it too
Ian Lee
I read too quick, sorry anonkun
David Sanchez
/pol/ is starting to make me like these Jews.
By /pol/ definition, these are people who want to "genocide" you through not outlawing inter-"racial" dating while they are also for their own extinction as a collective of ebil industrialists and bankers through the destruction of the system they supposedly all thrive in.
More power to them!
Angel Cruz
And the Jews who fought and died for the Kaiser? What of them? Secret plotters all?
Levi Smith
And regarding the betrayal and motives of the Jewish physicists.
>For some twenty years, Teller advised Israel on nuclear matters in general, and on the building of a hydrogen bomb in particular. In 1952, Teller and Oppenheimer had a long meeting with David Ben-Gurionin Tel Aviv, telling him that the best way to accumulate plutonium was to burn natural uranium in a nuclear reactor. Starting in 1964, a connection between Teller and Israel was made by the physicistYuval Ne'eman, who had similar political views. Between 1964 and 1967, Teller visited Israel six times, lecturing atTel Aviv University, and advising the chiefs of Israel's scientific-security circle as well as prime ministers and cabinet members.
>In 1967 when the Israeli nuclear program was nearing completion, Teller informed Neeman that he was going to tell theCIAthat Israel had built nuclear weapons, and explain that it was justified by the background of theSix-Day War. After Neeman cleared it with Prime MinisterLevi Eshkol, Teller briefed the head of the CIA's Office of Science and Technology,Carl Duckett. It took a year for Teller to convince the CIA that Israel had obtainednuclear capability; the information then went through CIA DirectorRichard Helmsto the president at that time,Lyndon B. Johnson. Teller also persuaded them to end the American attempts to inspect theNegev Nuclear Research Centerin Dimona. In 1976 Duckett testified inCongressbefore theNuclear Regulatory Commission, that after receiving information from "American scientist", he drafted aNational Intelligence Estimate(NIE) on Israel's nuclear capability.
You're unwilling to believe a people who maintained their ethnic and religious differences in their diaspora nations for 2,000 years, maintain this identity so well then re-coalesced back into a singular nation. Thats just stupid.
Hudson Rodriguez
The majority of eastern European Jews were orthodox Jews. They were less assimilated than German Jews and they didn't care about politics.
Charles Green
Daily reminder that the same jewish officer who lobbied for Hitler to get the Iron Cross for bravery got beaten up by nazi thugs barely 10 years later
Kevin Wood
So did Kaiser Wilhelm you idiot. The Bolsheviks were seen as a prime chance to cut Russia off at the knees through internal strife.
Or did you forget just how Lenin got back to Russia in 1917?
Logan Garcia
In a thread where people are saying the that "a few Jews were in the Sparticist revolution, it means nothing!" your post has even less value.
Landon Ramirez
In other words, the monolithic Jews do the same thing stormshits want to do in a more extreme form a la Nazism.
Jace Rodriguez
>maintained their ethnic and religious differences in their diaspora nations for 2,000 years Are you actually reading what you're typing? Jews changed as much as any other people's over 2000 years, from greeks to Chinese, their culture never stayed the same century to century, what the fuck are you talking about? Israel todays varied specifically because how different jews all over the world became
Angel Carter
>Lenin got back to Russia in 1917? Well, a jewish plot obviously...
... oh... oh wait.... the Kaiser... oh.. uh.... jews!?
Hudson Smith
literally a dozen jews who took part in protesys in 1918 and died in 1919 has little in comparison with Jews serving in the German imperial army in the same numbers as the damn Prussians
Kayden Sanchez
>handful of Jews stage revolution >get put down by other Jews >this is representative of all Jews everywhere being traitors >over 100,000 Jews enlist in the Kaiser's armies with a 10% death rate >this means absolutely nothing about their loyalty to Germany
Matthew Richardson
>Jews chomp at the bit to prove that they love Germany and were willing to die for her >Germans still blame them for everything going wrong
Pretty tragic desu. They thought it was their one big chance, and it didn't even matter in the end.
Wyatt Collins
Were discussing the National Socialists, not the Kaiser and his poor decisions.
Thomas Gonzalez
The Jews hated Germany so much that one of them Fritz Haber developed poisonous gas for the empire during ww1.
Zachary Green
I can't believe we have to have this thread every damn week, we could be talking about ancient empires and doing REAL historical analysis
Joshua Jackson
Such is humanity my friend, reading ancient history, humans have always been this horrible, one time a guy in turkey decided to kill every roman man, woman and child, pretty much for no reason
Matthew Robinson
Yep, a higher percentage of Jews fought and died in WWI than any other minority in Germany. Some traitors
Jeremiah Williams
>other minority >ignoring the motives of self promotion and destruction of the Romanovs in retaliation of the pogroms suffered there >handful of Jews I'm going to compile an actual number of Jews involved in the Sparticist revolution, and if it exceeds 1,000 then I will post it here repeatedly.
Chase Howard
/pol/ is always desperate
It's a shame we won't have normal conversations until America goes communist and abolishes wage-slavery worldwide so that the precondition for /pol/'s retardation would die out.
Adam Johnson
Finally you acknowledge it. Congrats, aIthough I bet that won't deter you from playing the goodest goy possible. >The jews changed >but not enough to not evict an entire nation in the middle east over a religious claim to the land so they could reconvene and recreate their unified culture again
David Jenkins
Where there is smoke there is a fire, and you're willing to sit in a burning house telling everyone its merely an imagination.
Brody Lee
And yet, nobody ever acknowledges that the co-leader of the uprising wasn't Jewish.
It's like only the Jews matter, the Germans that were involved were only misled by Jewish lies or someshit.
Jace Butler
It's the sparticist revolt you retard, it's called such because it's an event that took place during the broader German Revolution
You're by far the least interesting pol poster I've seen in weeks
Jaxson Hall
>It's a shame we won't have normal conversations until America goes communist and abolishes wage-slavery worldwide
> /pol/'s retardation
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
Bentley Wood
user wtf you just went full communist out of nowhere dude
marx said communism only comes out of hypercatalism, let's let history just take its course
Josiah Smith
You can do whatever you want, no one is stopping you.
Tbh I "won" most arguments itt, from the Jews not being made aware of hostility towards them, to proving that Kristallnacht was reactionary and justified, to explaining the Germans initially assisted the Jews in leaving to the jews not having any true allegiance to anyone but themselves, which is why I find the proclaimed patriotic motivation behind their WW1 service dubious.
Aaron Robinson
Liebknecht was a great man. o7
Nicholas James
Do you think people call polturds mentally ill for no reason? They just chose a random word and stuck with it? Merely coincidence every board but /tv/ calls pol pure cancer ?
Kevin Rogers
>Tbh I "won" God you're autistic, how old are you?
Liam Bell
>>ignoring the motives of self promotion and destruction of the Romanovs in retaliation of the pogroms suffered there And the Prussians were all for Germany, then? They didn't want to kill Russians or Frogs or anything else that might be selfish?