.Re: Anyone notice the similarity of mordors shape to turkey? and minas tirith to constantinople on the bosporus? and gondor with its caretaker in the south being split from arnor in the north where are aragorn the true king lies? alternative history where catholics save constantinople and the orthodox church from the savage turks or mordor?
- I didn't get to make my 300th comment address so here it is; thank you guys for a wonderful experience, i really didn't expect the thread to blow up into such a wonderful communal experience where we could discover so much about eachother and make so many great conversations about literature, history and the human race. Its been an honour to be your OP and i hope i can be at some further point. I also hope we will keep creating tolkeinite historical threads.
/tv/ has the best Tolkien threads on this website, almost daily. Veeky Forums culture strangely enough includes Tolkien and all the nerds who cannot get enough of his lore.
You will always almost get a Tolkien thread on Veeky Forums, it's one of the only reasons I still stay here.
Elijah Thompson
There's been two tolkien threads here this week and they've honestly been the best threads I've seen on this board in a while.
Dominic Martin
what about Veeky Forums? does it have more than lit?
Jason Flores
Lit hates tolkien. Lit hates anything and everything.
Anthony Brown
tis a shame because i don't think tolkien is necessariy best represented by the likes of /tv/
Daniel Mitchell
OP here, what i think would be a really good question, is something concerning the theology of the lotr and maybe even how it relates to real life. i just don't know how i would formulate such a question.
Levi Clark
Didn't Tolkien specifically said that he doesn't do allegories? Give it a rest already, it's just a fairytale, it's not hidden historical commentary.
Carson Brown
>i don't think tolkien is necessariy best represented by the likes of /tv/
The amount of arguments I have had discussing the intricacies of Tolkien lore there suggests otherwise.
Almost always will I have to have my books out when I argue with those nerds.
William Sullivan
Do you mean Veeky Forums? I don't remember too many Tolkien threads on /tv/, but then, I don't go there much.
Jacob Long
I mean, tolkien was obviously a very religious person. How can the not be permeated in his work.
Aaron Thomas
RE means regarding. im actually just referencing another thread. I also think you're being abit limited. Just because tolkien doesn't use allegory, does it really mean we cannot find analogies which are interesting or enlightening? think about it.
Jacob Smith
Pretty much. Tolkien threads are pretty much the only decent ones on /tv/
Christopher Reyes
what's tg? i dont see it.
Jacob Ward
If it's Catholic, why Ragnarok? There are theological aspects inside of his work, and he was a theological man.
That's it.
Alexander Brown
well im just saying, do you really want it represented by /tv/ ? Veeky Forums is more accurate.
Dylan Sanchez
ragnarok?
its not straigh up just catholic. it's interesting that it has its own creation myths and Gods. I wonder if that entails morality in an abrahamic monotheistic sense.
It's a piece of norse work. The only appearance of orcs before tolkien, was a norse one. I mean, if you want to use allegory, it's allegory for norse mythology and theology. Catholicism has almost nothing to do with anything in this story. I mean his works with Oxford dealt with germanic words. One of his first works was a translation of Beowulf which was never published.
Asher Morris
No, /tv/ actually does have regular tolkien threads.
Traditional Games
Aiden Ramirez
>was never published. During his lifetime*
Andrew Diaz
>One of his first works was a translation of Beowulf which was never published.
According to Humphrey Carpenter, Tolkien had an ingenious means of beginning his series of lectures on Beowulf:
>He would come silently into the room, fix the audience with his gaze, and suddenly begin to declaim in a resounding voice the opening lines of the poem in the original Anglo-Saxon, commencing with a great cry of Hwæt! (The first word of this and several other Old English poems), which some undergraduates took to be "Quiet!" It was not so much a recitation as a dramatic performance, an impersonation of an Anglo-Saxon bard in a mead hall, and it impressed generations of students because it brought home to them that Beowulf was not just a set text to be read for the purposes of examination, but a powerful piece of dramatic poetry.[78]
Decades later, W.H. Auden wrote to his former professor,
>I don't think that I have ever told you what an unforgettable experience it was for me as an undergraduate, hearing you recite Beowulf. The voice was the voice of Gandalf.
Lincoln Gray
>using allegory for a Tolkien work
stopped reading lol
Colton Morris
It's not allegory when it's represented shamelessly. Allegory is hidden symbolism the author uses, how can it not be allegory when it's literally expressed to be so from the author?
Oliver Richardson
i'd like to be an oxford professor.
Angel Russell
"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”
Nicholas Reyes
>he post it. Do you understand Tolkien? Do you understand what allegory even means? It's not allegory, when it's explicit. You moron.
xD
Oliver Collins
You use that argument when you are arguing against the catholic links in his works, not the things which he is basing his story on.
Senpai.
Jack Hernandez
“I perceived or thought of the Light of God and in it suspended one small mote (or millions of motes to only one of which was my small mind directed), glittering white because of the individual ray from the Light which both held and lit it...And the ray was the Guardian Angel of the mote: not a thing interposed between God and the creature, but God's very attention itself, personalized...This is a finite parallel to the Infinite. As the love of the Father and Son (who are infinite and equal) is a Person, so the love and attention of the Light to the Mote is a person (that is both with us and in Heaven): finite but divine, i.e. angelic.”
the asshurt from tolkien revisionists is real
Easton Cooper
OP here... more of this.
Mason Robinson
So Tolkien was a Christian and he hated allegory
Was he a biblical literalist?
Nolan Sanchez
A letter detailing Tolkien and divine providence is somehow proving his works are allegories or not?
