the main problem with the patch isn't some objective flaw in the game's design. it's that it isn't fun. there are so many variables in a typical pub game that completely fuck up your game and you have no power over them. enemy team drafts a 4 disable safelane against your offlane, and your supports won't rotate? you will have virtually no impact for the rest of the game. enemy team starts babysitting your opponent on the mid lane? unless your team rotates to help, you've lost that lane. you played support perfectly, but your carry is a baboon and the enemy carry isn't? well too bad, you lost the game because safelane carries have to essentially make up for 40% of the team's impact this patch.
>hurr durr this always happened
there were several precautions to keep awful shit like this from happening in previous patches. static babysitting was punished by lower deny XP, jungling was stronger and safelane carries weren't as untouchable or as powerful as they are now.
comebacks aren't always just about gold/xp. it can also be draft related. in the past, before comeback gold/xp, your draft for the mid/late could be really bad but your players could be really good at early laning and roaming, so you could snowball that to a "comeback" victory. it was fun because you'd feel like a good player by outplaying your enemies. but now, with how static and predictable everything is, it's almost impossible to make up for a shitty draft by playing well.
Liam Bailey
not gonna read that lol
Adam Powell
that's alright, i doubt most people who argue against me know how to read anyway
Blake Richardson
I hope kuro gives us some insight into that last pick desu. I can't comprehend why they did it.
Invoker I understand a little. It was a risky pick but not outright bad. Huskar they needed everything to go perfect to win with and against a team on your level you just can't count on that.
Is E-sports even worth watching any more? Haven't payed attention in about 3 years and only just got addicted to Doturd again
Colton Garcia
Ez damage control once they start losing the next few majors desu.
Jordan Sanders
>>enemy team drafts a 4 disable safelane against your offlane >Always happened.
why even bother replying if you aren't going to read sentences in full? the fact that the land has disables wasn't the point of that statement, it's the fact that you can't do anything against a lane like that if the enemy supports opt not to rotate out or your supports don't rotate to help.
>hurr durr you never could
yes you could, because 1) creeps met closer to your tower, 2) denies were weaker and 3) supports were punished more for static laning and had less gold and 4) jungling was more viable and 5) PMS was an item that let you trade with supports more easily and 6) boots were cheaper and 7) bounties were farther from the lane and 8) your shrine was closer and usable earlier. i could probably go on but it's probably a waste of time with a person like yourself.
>False, that happens if you are terrible and can't do good decisions.
it depends entirely on your team. jungling is dogshit now so you can't recover there. mid and safe are for mid and safe laners. if your team can't secure you comeback gold/xp then you will essentially be a pos 4-5 in terms of impact, if you're lucky.
>Do you even play dota?
you must be absolutely delusional if you don't see how powerful carries are this patch compared to any patch in dota 2 history.
Jackson Walker
now they gonna suck dick for 6 months and come last at TI
Ethan Sanders
Aside from that we have some really shitty 'talent' attached to the scene right now, it's breddy good.
>you must be absolutely delusional if you don't see how powerful carries are this patch compared to any patch in dota 2 history. How about the times where bkb had 10 second duration? How about before 6.82, when your carry could get a couple kills, snowball from there and there was nothing you could do to retaliate?
Ok let's see >1) creeps met closer to your tower >2) denies were weaker >3) supports were punished more for static laning and had less gold >8) your shrine was closer and usable All this changes were made for those times where the offlane wasnt offlane because it was too easy. Any hero could offlane and punish the safe lane, making carries unable to farm anything. Only early powerhouses like gyro or luna could flourish there, therefore the offlane nerfs so other type of HC can flourish, like AM or medusa.
4) jungling was more viable True, but jungling was always supposed to be a way to earn gold when you can't lane, not "another way to get gold". The second implies you should complete leave laning, completely forget about laning phase, and just jungle your way to win, remember those days? oh yeah sure i remember those offlanes like beastmaster that never laned, just went jungle and solo killed the carry everytime. I also remember those 6.83 days of troll jungle, so much fun!
>5) PMS was an item that let you trade with supports more easily You forget that PMS is also (and more of) a carry thing. Offlaners were more about usings skills, creep manipulation and making plays rather than unzonable shit like void. Icefrog thought it would help offlaners more if you remove PMS since am, jugg and others were popular agi melee carrys that loved pms so they could just solo the lane. And other offlaners that really didnt benefit from PMS that much like clock or underlord could do better against that. Keep struggling with the offlane though, just refuse to adapt. Im glad that now the offlane is back to where it was: a hard lane.
Aaron Torres
you can eul blink from literaly anything. I remember at some TI that someone blink from naga/static storm combo
Aaron Baker
>og wins one game >hugs and hi5s everywhere >reso alone in the background
Luis Davis
You mean you can't do that in current year lmao
Nicholas Moore
>he thinks Liquid is actually good
They get routinely outplayed by the actually good teams, Kuro isn't stupid, he knows this. If you can't beat them with standard play, cheese them.
Huskar was an attempt at cheesing a win, it's that simple.
Nicholas Morales
There's a decent few contact spells you won't be able to Euls blink from like Earth Spike, Puck orb or Storm remnant because they deal damage as soon as you enter the AoE, spells that use ticks can be blunk through.
>go all in on le polish muslim of boosted mmr >he loses you games because it's not a pub
Sebastian Hall
>polish literally who?
Leo Johnson
Miracle is based anyone who disagrees is an rtzbabby
Chase Cruz
Miracle-
Oliver Cruz
Bright Ace.
Logan Turner
Huskar was used and abused by both Liquid and OG (basically because Miracle is good on him).
It worked wonders against weaker teams or even equal teams because Huskar was cheesy as fuck and OP.
Thank god it doesn't work now, such a fucking shit strategy.
Luis Mitchell
If I'm in 3k will the offlane pull be easy mmr since people don't really know how to deal with it
Nathaniel Gutierrez
yes, but at that mmr everything is easy mmr
Christian Gutierrez
More likely you'll do the offlane pull and it won't increase your winning percentage because you don't play at a level where marginal differences decide games.
Juan King
Alright I suppose I'll just do my best to have fun and practice
Austin Campbell
No. Fun is not compatible with winning.
Jonathan Reed
>no black hero What the fuck valve that's racist
Colton Lewis
>no bait hero What the fuck Valve, what do you have against fishermen?
Jayden Price
>chen
Owen Ortiz
i just want to suck lanayas feminine penis is that so much to ask for
Jason Brooks
OG got Huskar'd at TI6 though
Poetic justice
Aaron Walker
Is this game fucking dead? I'm queuing at 3.5k MMR on US East at saturday afternoon. It takes 15 minutes to find a match.
John Harris
it is dead
Kayden Barnes
>Play Oracle >Win >Feel I could do the same thing with Chen or Enchantress instead with somehow less effort.
A spammable 360 nuke is nice and all, but it's really hard to both do that and not heal the enemy without stealing kills outright.
>pick fun offlaner like pango >get spectacular frags but lose >pick joyless shitcan walk at them to make them die omni >get much less spectacular frags >collect +25 Remember when this wasnt the game
Joshua Rivera
>playing to have fun Wrong genre.
Camden Martinez
>chen >DK >enigma
Isaiah Baker
yeah im not reading all that shit post ending in 5 decides what i read instead
Aaron Allen
also LC and AM
Jayden Morales
valve fucked up when they started listening to reddit look at r/lol, the game is alive and well
Ayden White
diaper fanfiction featuring your favorite anime
Ryder Reed
fuTA fanfiction
Brandon Johnson
read all available lore for dota and dota2
Justin Howard
Crime and Punishment, so you can reflect about your edgy teen years.
