/tekgen/ - Tekken General

TreeEater
TreeEater

Previous thread: veekyforums.com/thread/209090719/video-games

= NEWS =
youtube.com/embed/mXCZ0mnapMw
Patch 1.10
avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2017/12/13/tekken-7-version-110-input-lag-reduction-patch-out-now.html
Tekken 7 Confirmed for EVO Sunday Spot
avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2018/2/6/tekken-7-returns-to-evo-this-year-in-the-sunday-arena.html
Tekken World Tour 2018 Announced
tekkenworldtour.com/
Patch 1.12
avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2018/3/19/tekken-7-version-112-update-adds-noctis-compatibility-nvidia.html

= BASIC INFORMATION =
Notation
tekkenzaibatsu.com/legend.php
Fergus' character overviews
docs.google.com/document/d/1yqgxbES6su4clpQou2hzlZN40rpPBtwmMRKWfexbj3g/
Frame data for every character
rbnorway.org/t7-frame-data/
Top 15 moves for all characters
drunkardshade.com/2017/05/27/tekken-7-top-15-moves-for-all-characters/
/tekgen/ T7 Character Information Compilation (wip)
docs.google.com/document/d/139rPKrNc0nYHm2SmEa9Wy6LE7ps_2C0akOD4BQrmN2Q

= TUTORIAL VIDEOS FOR NEW PLAYERS =
How to Approach 3D Fighting Games
youtu.be/p7Ar-RctqyU
Korean Backdash Cancel (KBD)
youtu.be/gLp3Y0PdV94
shoryuken.com/2017/02/17/this-is-the-year-you-will-learn-how-to-perform-tekkens-korean-backdash/
Button Buffering
youtu.be/38iJWsjc_w8
Options at the wall
youtu.be/2SW7kCmA23o
How to get off the ground
youtu.be/j-PDc20Jezg
youtu.be/11oZkTYI6Rs
Low parrying
youtu.be/SF2wBESs01U
Oki/Tech Trap
youtu.be/LYqbvQljTw0
Throw Breaking
youtu.be/m4em9HzrwFI
Wavedash
youtu.be/xMtFCy8LreM
Wavedash/Backdash on pad
youtu.be/fU5Ji23k4LU
Combo video playlist for each character
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDzNGonyeoUtBqYuqku0QqNwk2mcSlV_n

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avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2018/2/6/tekken-7-returns-to-evo-this-year-in-the-sunday-arena.html
tekkenworldtour.com/
avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2018/3/19/tekken-7-version-112-update-adds-noctis-compatibility-nvidia.html
tekkenzaibatsu.com/legend.php
docs.google.com/document/d/1yqgxbES6su4clpQou2hzlZN40rpPBtwmMRKWfexbj3g/
rbnorway.org/t7-frame-data/
drunkardshade.com/2017/05/27/tekken-7-top-15-moves-for-all-characters/
docs.google.com/document/d/139rPKrNc0nYHm2SmEa9Wy6LE7ps_2C0akOD4BQrmN2Q
youtu.be/p7Ar-RctqyU
youtu.be/gLp3Y0PdV94
shoryuken.com/2017/02/17/this-is-the-year-you-will-learn-how-to-perform-tekkens-korean-backdash/
youtu.be/38iJWsjc_w8
youtu.be/2SW7kCmA23o
youtu.be/j-PDc20Jezg
youtu.be/11oZkTYI6Rs
youtu.be/SF2wBESs01U
youtu.be/LYqbvQljTw0
youtu.be/m4em9HzrwFI
youtu.be/xMtFCy8LreM
youtu.be/fU5Ji23k4LU
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDzNGonyeoUtBqYuqku0QqNwk2mcSlV_n
youtube.com/watch?v=9CBp_TZ02os
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dDAM-1J0jOw5050TUXdyvc5rRBcvh26oftsK_Q0S4Ok/edit#gid=1135104846
reddit.com/r/fightsticks/comments/6n6suj/the_ultimate_fightstick_guide_evo_2017/
youtube.com/watch?v=xDgVkFq--Gc
mobile.twitter.com/Dayhaysoos/status/976587864388579328
youtube.com/watch?t=89s&v=gyAUo1rkZGA
twitter.com/IGN/status/974344489006374912
streamable.com/5vpd3
veekyforums.com/thread/209299251/video-games

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I love Alisa!

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Firespawn
Firespawn

What characters do cool floaty air combos? I really like Laws double backflip kick combo but other than that I dislike Law

bruce lee was a fraud

WebTool
WebTool

Jimmy J, saviour of the West

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StonedTime
StonedTime

Kazumi!

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askme
askme

Why is aris so autistic about no customising? he often mentions that he likes this or that thing but then goes "too bad it's a custom" like some kind of retard.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Noctis?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Alisa is the best!

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StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

TFW we will never have Doctor Bosconovich with this moveset in tekken 7

youtube.com/watch?v=9CBp_TZ02os

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Play JIN

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Snarelure
Snarelure

because no customs in muh tournaments

TechHater
TechHater

People either underestimate the difficulty of doing DSS consistently(especially in a tournament setting) or overestimate their own ability to do it consistently despite not even maining the character.
When a guy who's played Law his entire life still drops DSS from time to time you really have to factor it in.

But maybe you're all just hitbox users.

FastChef
FastChef

I saw a few yoshimitsu moves, a heihachi parry and crazy BT stuff. Looks fun as fuck.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I wish Lili's titties were that fat

Because customs are gay and will always be inferior to costumes

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I'm trying him right now and I can't even get his fucking slide down

This black arrow shit is really fucking me up. I got it on dpad once but on pad stick I cant fucking do it

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Law and king moves aswell, lmao. Is he just a mashup of other character's movesets?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Jesus christ noctis sucks ass. I'm getting killed by blue ranks for christ's sake why is everything so punishable fuck this character.

RumChicken
RumChicken

literally a million years in development and they still didnt fix his shit hair or give him a walljump wtf is this shitty dlc quality.

girlDog
girlDog

hold down and do f f3

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Lots of Yoman moves, and what seemed like an OTGF

girlDog
girlDog

nah i'm talking about things like legacy costumes.

5mileys
5mileys

It's a matter of getting the motion down. Just try to wiggle a bit and try to get d/f,d,d/f on its own consistently first, then start trying the 3 when you do the second d/f. If needed you can hold the d/f and it'll still count IIRC.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Slide isn't an easy input to get consistent either. You see pros accidentally doing FC DF3 all the time. but of course every yellow rank here will tell you it's the easiest shit ever because on their hitbox/keyboard they just hold d and press forward twice.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Law's dss parry
the fuck

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

damn right son

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Because it was great when they were costumes readily available, useable in tournaments, and didn't need stupid unlocks. Making old costumes into customs means you will never have any chance of seeing that on the big stage

likme
likme

It works when I do it on dpad
Should I just be using dpad over analog stick anyways?
ty anons

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

and this stops arnis from using them because... ?

FastChef
FastChef

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BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

That weird backwards run thing at 3:54

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

they just hold d and press forward twice

How else are you going to do it? You do it the same way regardless of your peripheral.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Literally no reason why they couldn't be both. Aside from Harada being a dumdum, like for a lot of other things.

WebTool
WebTool

Lost 25 games in a row against Yellow Paul

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Emberburn
Emberburn

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MPmaster
MPmaster

dont feel bad i just lost 6 - 0 against some guy clearly toying with me the entire time. it is what it is.

viagrandad
viagrandad

What does everyone think of Noctis? Is his frame data available?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dDAM-1J0jOw5050TUXdyvc5rRBcvh26oftsK_Q0S4Ok/edit#gid=1135104846

girlDog
girlDog

Because the input is flawless on hitbox/keyboard. You'd have to be retarded to fuck it up. On pad and stick it's not nearly as consistent or fast because you can't press two directional buttons at the same time, df is one motion.
It's why kbd and wavedashing is so stupid easy on hitbox. You'll almost never fuck it up.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

garbage character with 90% of his useful moves easily block punishable.

wont be using him.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I miss the old Y3 character voices

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Is Noctis db2 seeable?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Lars but actually good.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

his best moves outside of generic good ones (jab, df1 etc.) df1+2 (safe wallsplat mid that hits from mid screen), ss2 (21 dmg, 0 on block mid that knocks down on ch for great oki), wr1+2 (+11 on block natural hit launcher), uf3 (17 frame mid launcher similar to a hopkick, 13f punishable but if it lands you can get 75 damage in the open from it). He also gets a bunch of good lows, d3 is a good poking low, db2 is a chunky launchable low and fcdf2 is amazing (+3 forced crouch on hit and +13 on ch).

Methnerd
Methnerd

whoever made this needs to fucking freeze the first row reeee

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Asukatard thinks noctis is bad because his gameplan requires a functional brain
lmao

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

it's a meme for his channel

FastChef
FastChef

playing tekken on analog stick
are you insane?

Emberburn
Emberburn

implying i use that shit character optimized for 10 year olds
lmao

Spamalot
Spamalot

but if it lands you can get 75 damage in the open from it
crouch canceling from that and doing the f1, dash f1, is not easy at all
wouldn't consider it a staple by any means

Also his hopkick is kinda trash. It's a 'mid' but it hits high as fuck and will go over snake edges and whatnot

TechHater
TechHater

it still does good damage even with a different combo. great for high reward medium risk mixups.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Dont use analog stick for tekken

girlDog
girlDog

I want to turn honest. Would switching from Dragunov to Feng achieve that? I tried the bears but they were full of gimmicks.

RavySnake
RavySnake

wins tekken

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WebTool
WebTool

Feng isn't that honest either my man

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

if noctis does his teleport after his jab string you can launch him even if he hits you.

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WebTool
WebTool

I still don't understand the point of that teleport.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Anybody up for some fun lobbies?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

the use for it is to beat out people who are immediately taking their turn after a 1,2

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

use it on people who are mashing dickjabs or some dumb move during your 1,2,2 or after conditioning them

Nojokur
Nojokur

makes you guess between demoman and hopkick
whiff punishes your jab from 50 feet away
spams 30 range unseeable low
launch punishes your 'safe' pushback move
parrys your unga
later kid gonna go hook me a whopper

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

spam IWR 1+2 that's +11 on block and a natural hit launcher

SniperGod
SniperGod

Is Noctis broken?

RumChicken
RumChicken

nigga those eyes are the wrong colour.

5mileys
5mileys

f2 shouldnt be safe

Evilember
Evilember

a lot of things in tekken shouldn't be the way they are.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

you get a free mixup on block and it's super linear so you can step predictable ones.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Depends, he is very linear, both Dragunov and DJ have less weakness than him while Noctis still doesnt feel like TT2 Lars is still retarded

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

soul calibur guest to create hype when

Inmate
Inmate

No more fucking guests
aside from Noctis' 3 boyfriends of course

Nojokur
Nojokur

spam a linear move

Illusionz
Illusionz

He is not, He is not DJ or Drag level of retarded, he seems linear but his tools are pretty strong i think he'll fight for a spot with characters like Kazumi, Jin, and Jack 7

JunkTop
JunkTop

Nice user if you can sidestep Claudio IWR2, Draguno IWR2 and noctis IWR1+2 at point blank You surely will be winning evo this year

likme
likme

posting inaccurate pics of your waifu

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eGremlin
eGremlin

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whereismyname
whereismyname

comparing noctis' wr1+2 to drag wr2.
comparing a slower, much more linear move to the best running move in the game
beat it kid

SniperGod
SniperGod

DJ
broken
Lmao

TechHater
TechHater

Post yourself sidestepping Noctis IWR1+2 in a real match then

RavySnake
RavySnake

Oh boy, here we go again...

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

DELET

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Name 1 (one) thing broken about him
And if I see U4 once in your post your done kid

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

only one thing? his oki.

Inmate
Inmate

I don't actually disagree with you, it's just that this post always creates a shitstorm.

Illusionz
Illusionz

play noctis but still only in silvers
only other person online i get matched with is an actual new player
what do
i feel so bad stomping him over and over

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

if its not efficient for ranking up then just find someone else. otherwise fuck him its the streets

SniperWish
SniperWish

So is most of the cast

TreeEater
TreeEater

most of the cast can infinite you if you don't tech anywhere on the stage and if you do tech force a mixup between an unseeable low launch and unseeable mid launch?

Lunatick
Lunatick

Yoshi buffs when tho?

Emberfire
Emberfire

Why tf are you even looking at her eyes? Are you gay?

Illusionz
Illusionz

Is that icing? Or mousse of some kind?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

veekyforums.com/thread/209090719/video-games
f+4,1; u+3; qcf+3,4; qcb+2,4; (S!) b+3~f+1+2
Are you sure about this? I'm no gonna play again today, but it seems a bit too much stuff before the screw.

viagrandad
viagrandad

you dont have to do any of the jabs and you still get 70 damage. crouch cancel isn't that hard once you've got it down.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

no one is actually doing iWR12 with noctis tho

SniperGod
SniperGod

Why should I sidestep Claudio when I can just fucking duck and launch him for being stupid.

farquit
farquit

*runs up and hopkicks you*

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

+11 on block 76 damage natural hit launch
nice game keklets

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whereismyname
whereismyname

Nevermind its literally capital punishment. Pray on your opponent not floating for free

Ok and? Or you could make use of his F+3 instead of continuing to be a tad and making yourself -13 for no reason.

cum2soon
cum2soon

honestly i can't manage to get the cc consistent, at least not on Ling

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I love this picture so much

TreeEater
TreeEater

What is a slow, linear floatable jumping attack.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Did I mention that if you fuck up the input you get F1+2 and eat a launcher regardless? Yeah totally no risk to it.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

do it as f,ff and you'll get ff1+2 instead if you fuck it up

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Funny enough that's just a better move all around and is still safe.

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

he bought noctis

Playboyize
Playboyize

landed the cc uf3 combo

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I actually wouldn't mind a variation of that damage numbers hitspark being the standard shit for Tekken in future games honestly.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Demon Steel Pedal or his hellsweep

Take your pick

Firespawn
Firespawn

Is Bryan's CH 3+4, ff3, iWS3, iWS3,4, ff2, the most damage you can get?

StonedTime
StonedTime

I wouldn't mind the framedata being included as well

Methshot
Methshot

and missing legacy characters and better stage variety and faster dlc release dates and better single player content and...

Snarelure
Snarelure

thats a lot of things to put in a hit effect

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

EEEURGHH

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

oh shit am I really suppose to be using the dpad full time over the analog stick if I'm using a pS4 remote?

Flameblow
Flameblow

jokes on you i wasted my money on the season pass

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

using analog stick
ps4 "remote"
oi.. you tryin' to piss me off?

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

yeah analog stick is super bad

RumChicken
RumChicken

oi
i am if ur a subhuman aus
if not i am sorry user

Nojokur
Nojokur

if you're already too used to an analog stick to make the switch to dpad try an arcade stick, it's vaguely similar but not absolutely terrible.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Noctis is the most fun DLC character
shitpost about buying it

Emberburn
Emberburn

Yes, even if you buy a hori fightpad you would still use the DPad over analog stick for tekken, analog is fine for some character in streetfighter but it's absolutely terrible for movement on tekken

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I'm dogshit at Tekken and still playing WoW on the side right now.

I'd make the switch but I want to get a really good stick and not go cheap, if I get more into/better at Tekken I %100 will though. Any recommendations on a stick or where to buy one?

WebTool
WebTool

I'm a pad player so maybe someone else can help you there.

Supergrass
Supergrass

reddit.com/r/fightsticks/comments/6n6suj/the_ultimate_fightstick_guide_evo_2017/
Here's a big ass guide for it but there's plenty of online resources for specifics if you do your homework.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Thanks user
Thanks so much pal, everyone in this general is so much nicer than /fgg/
because of this general im forcing myself to like tekken

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

There's a reason all the not Capcom fighters spread off from /fgg/. You shouldn't force yourself to like Tekken though, that should come naturally, even if it is hard to start out.

girlDog
girlDog

If you pull the plug on the last round of another person promotion you are literally human garbage

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Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I do like it, my first time playing casual I fought against some Noctis and got my ass beat. Then I went to ranked and the same motherfucker followed me, I went 0-1, left and re q'd, then another noctis plays me, I fucking win.

1-1 and I enjoyed it a lot. Only thing I don't like is I'm bad at inputs so far.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Don't forget to be more precise with your inputs rather than getting them out fast. Tekken has a lot of leeway on counting things as far as timing goes, so focus on keeping things clean.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

just do what everyone else in here does and don't play the game and shitpost.

takes2long
takes2long

fuck this anime man. i'm not paying money just to lab him

Nojokur
Nojokur

user is this a dumb thought, I've always been trash at fighters but this is my theory

Tekken 7 is a hard fighting game
if I get good at Tekken I would find other games easier

Techpill
Techpill

It might make you better at other 3D fighters but won't do as much for 2Ds. I'm not great at Tekken by any means, but decent enough and still find 2D anime games impossible to get into.

Spamalot
Spamalot

I forgot how fun exposing people's bullshit in this game is

StonedTime
StonedTime

2D and 3D fighting games, for me at least, are completely different. very little transfers over except maybe reaction speed. there's a reason sonicfox can pick up literally any 2D fighter and be a top player easily but he isn't a top 3D fighting game player.

likme
likme

the best feeling in this game is nailing punishes or sidestepping something predictable.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

He's literally so retarded at KBD he had to map buttons on his pad to movement via the PlayStation system menu and he STILL got some sloppy ass stair step instead.

You would think he would be able to connect when there's a character in the game that's a gay furry just like him

Booteefool
Booteefool

you deserved it for picking that character that you played

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

it was a mirror match

Spamalot
Spamalot

of what character

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Is Lee canonically gay

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

How does one git gud with Nina Williams?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Sometimes I use the analog when I want my char to do a back flip smoothly

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

By getting gud at Tekken first

hairygrape
hairygrape

it's even better when they don't go for the rematch after

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

(your character) used a crushing move in a situation i knew (your character) could do one in while i was mashing? fuck you unga masher.

TechHater
TechHater

he's canonically excellent

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

t. Asuka main

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

you're thinking of King

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

does it feel as good as having the opponent rq though? or receiving hatemail?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Aris complains Alisa seems out of place in Tekken
Main Tekken characters are literal demons

makes u think

hairygrape
hairygrape

sex robots are for fucking not for fighting

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Crabs sometimes say dumb things
You don't say

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

an anime android waifu would be out of place in dungeons and dragons too and that shit has hella demons

Flameblow
Flameblow

Aris says dumb shit and holds really hypocritical opinions. But I mean...who cares?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

idiots say idiots things
???

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

i'm a noctis main

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

My 110% main who I've played forever came out yesterday

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

yeah so

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

why were you mashing then retard
true high skill noctis players win only using parry and whiff punishing

RumChicken
RumChicken

You played someone before he came out, and so far who that was seems to be fairly obvious at this point user

Illusionz
Illusionz

Bears are fun!

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

story resembles a lot of Japanese folklore and stories about monsters
adds a robot anime girl

takes2long
takes2long

every time i go on a losing streak i have to shut it off until another day just to get back to winning then rinse repeat

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

doing great one day
so hyped up I wack off
next day
derank
Wtf I hate masterbation now

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Man, I kinda wish this Noctis patch came with a balance update too. Tekken seems to be the only fighting game that's abandoned the balance patches already. Yeah sure everyone can win in Tekken but come on we know what it is with Chloe, Lars, Gigas and a few others. I just don't get why Dragunov, Paul, Ling and DJ get to be retarded but they can't give some of the lower tiers a boost. I'm not asking to make Gigas s-tier but why make me feel like a retard for playing him?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

balance patches are for bitches, grow up scrub

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

story resembles a lot of Japanese folklore and stories about monsters
chooses to complain about the anime robot girl instead of the big titty gorilla and french ""Dancer""
Inb4 Lucky Chloe
shitty forgettable newcomers in 7
Pick your battles user, Lars and Alisa are not the problem

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

btw i main paul

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

yeah and i've been f2ing scrubs since before you were born kid beat it

happy_sad
happy_sad

story resembles a lot of Japanese folklore and stories about monsters
Yeah dude I remember all that Japanese folklore filled with military robots, cyborgs, Wesley Snipes ninjas, Americans with ridiculous hair, boxing kangaroos/velociraptors, intelligent bears, luchadors who communicate through animal growls, a Naruto character, mad scientists, fat superheroes, rich girls who fight via cartwheels, etc. But Alisa? THAT'S going over the line.

Techpill
Techpill

you couldn't beat jeondding's chloe if you had two lifetimes to practice, don't talk to me about balance

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

This was more valuable than a win to me

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haveahappyday
haveahappyday

pussy

happy_sad
happy_sad

Cause if you were a true Gigass player, you'd accept you were playing him for fun and memes rather than because he's good

massdebater
massdebater

I play on one player side like a normal person

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

A few low tiers are good for a fighting game
Gigas is a good low tier, Lars however is a really boring one.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Or you are Dotoring and ascend all logic to be one of the best in the world on a bottom 5 character

Lunatick
Lunatick

Not an argument. Even he doesn't rely on Chloe for harder matches. LowHigh could beat anyone here with Lars, yet he still voiced his opinion on the character being in a bad spot.
Obviously wouldn't play him if I didn't find him fun. Don't know what that has to do with him being good? Yoshi is fun and memes but he's also good, what's your point here?

Playboyize
Playboyize

i'm not arguing, i'm saying you're a bitch and you suck at the game and you should shut up

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Having a few character slots devoted to low tiers is healthy for a game. You have 40 some odd characters, spending 3 to 5 slots on shitters isn't a big deal, and it lets people who like the challenge/like to pad their losses by playing a shit tier character to do their thing and it adds the dynamic of character unfamiliarity to whipping out your pocket shit tier character.

Booteefool
Booteefool

don't worry buddy dragunov won't be nerfed you can rest easy

girlDog
girlDog

The next time a Lili main doesn't skip her intro gonna beat someone's ass irl

Skullbone
Skullbone

No, he'd be a true Gigass player if he singlehandedly beats a team of five led by Qudans.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

complains about Paul and ling
willingly mains a well known low tier and complains about it

Unironically kys, the only time you get to bitch about your main being low tier is when they get nerfed

Firespawn
Firespawn

to me at least, it feels like all of the characters have an acceptable amount of strength/tools. rather than asking for the lowest ones to be buffed, I think it would be better to nerf the ones at the top who are so far ahead of all the others (drag/dj etc)

Inmate
Inmate

That's a cool theory and all but some people like characters based on look and moveset. Not because they're shit. I don't see how it's any 'healthier' than those characters being average tier. The people who tier whore are still going to have their slight advantage or whatever so the challenge is there. Intentional shitty characters like Dan are one thing, but it's very obvious the Tekken team didn't intend for characters to be shit.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

can you just drop the game again already

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

are they actually shit though or do they just seem worse because the very top tier is so strong?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Yeah but you can't solve the top tier problem without nerfing and people would cry more about nerfs to characters everyone plays than they would about buffs to lower tiered characters. That's why I think buffing is the better solution.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I wanna learn devil jin what are the go to guides?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

there is many more that would need to be buffed compared to who would need to be nerfed though

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

youtube.com/watch?v=xDgVkFq--Gc

JunkTop
JunkTop

Uf4
Hellsweep
Steel petal
Occasional laser scrapper
Now you're ready to beat JDCR.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Maybe but it's besides the point. Nobody is going to be upset about a low tier character getting a buff, but nerfs upset people, even if justified.

Methshot
Methshot

I think it’s unhealthy to try and make every character in the game equal to or balanced around a top tier. There have been so many fan projects for smash (not a fighting game but let me just take you there) where they say they want to balance everything around Fox and to make everyone up to Fox’s level and I think that’s so fucking stupid. Design cool characters and let the chips fall where they will because if the inherent game systems are well made enough things will fall into place well enough. Vampire Savior comes to mind where even when Anakaris is literally made so poorly to the point where he is missing key mechanical features from the game MightyMar can still win national tournaments with him because the game system itself is so versatile and well made that it’s air tight enough to catch the character design mistakes. I don’t think Tekken 7 is at the same level as a VSav but the movement options and way the game simply functions does allow people to pull off some cool shit with characters you may not initially think of as tournament standards. Maybe I’m just talking shit but I like the idea that if you make dope shit and the engine itself is meticulously designed to the point that it can carry the game, even the characters that will just be weaker can still shine if you specialize in them.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

thanks for the 200 word essay now beat it

Lunatick
Lunatick

Every single character should be good, there should be no low tier even in tekken where low tiers still see plenty of tourney play, hooooy duuuuuuh, deeeeeur

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

i think everyone except drag and DJ are fine
those two are too strong compared to everyone else

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Agreed. I think egregious examples like that are the only real big issue in the game in terms of character balance and those should be carefully fixed so as to preserve the integral gameplan of both characters but making them less oppressive. I don’t really mind if DJ and Drag are still top tier, it’s impossible to make a game where everyone is completely equal and amazingly fun to play, but sometimes there’s shit like that or O.Sagat or AC Testament that’s a little too much.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Achieving equal balance is never going to happen, I think most people understand that. I get what you mean though, but like you said Tekken isn't quite at that level. Anyone can win, but there's more to it than that.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

just some minor changes to frame data for those two would probably fix everything

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Don't even nerf their god moves desu, nerf some of their other tools so they stay the same character but become more easy to counterplay

WebTool
WebTool

Agreed and I think equal balance isn’t what we want. Some characters should be more unique at the cost of maybe being as top tier. Think about Pot in Guilty Gear who’s probably the coolest grappler in a fighting game, he’ll never be able to take down an Eddie or a Millia with ease but that’s ok because that character is cool and changing him so he can better fight them too much would remove the fun aspects of his kit while nerfing the cool shit from Eddie and Millia would have the same undesirable result of making the fun parts of them worse. It’s a real tight rope walk and I honestly don’t know enough about Tekken to begin saying what must be changed with guys like Drag and DJ. That being said I do think that with my limited information is on the right track and overall from a conceptual point of view that is also correct. Like I want people to fight Ling for example and think “fuck this bitch and her stupid ass crushing moves” but I don’t want them to think “this shit is just so gay I don’t even want to play against her because it just isn’t fun” the oppressive and gay shit characters do is what makes them cool but sometimes it does need those small tweaks to make it a little less ridiculous. Small frame changes, again, I think are a good place to begin.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

woah, you actually wrote all that. I thought this was a reddit pasta

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I’m drinking and did you mean that in a good way or a bad way though I feel like reddit pasta inherently means bad

takes2long
takes2long

I'm glad I stayed with my boy Stevu. He's dope.

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

You're going to think about dropping him again when you hit that wall again.

Spamalot
Spamalot

idk, usually when I see a wall of text I just assume it's pasta

Booteefool
Booteefool

that’s fair. i just like fighting games a lot so whenever im talking about them i end up being long winded.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Probably.

RumChicken
RumChicken

cant do lees mist step carry

this guys trash anyways! hahaha!

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DeathDog
DeathDog

mobile.twitter.com/Dayhaysoos/status/976587864388579328

Really need to learn how to do Raging Storm on keyboard

eGremlin
eGremlin

sometimes when i start to lose, i spam electrics till i win or winquit

Why are mishimas so fun and hard? Why do i choose these edgelord faggots? (besides hei, hes cool)

Methshot
Methshot

Nerfing Drag and DJ really doesn't affect those at the bottom. Lars is bad because he's bad, not because DJ is 'OP'. Plus all of the top tiers have just as good tools to work with or only slightly worse tools. Would make much more sense for them to balance up the shittier characters. Like the patch they did to Lee. They didn't buff him into S tier but made him feel much better to play.
I'm not saying DJ or Drag are perfect but I just don't see how it changes much.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Does Lee still need buffs? apparently shes super hard to play and is bad.. horrible combo, if i was to balance this game I'd want the most technically difficult characters to be the strongest and easiest mid tier

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I want both, and I think to hyper focus on one or the other is a bad move. Same way DJ and Drag I think need to have some adjustments I think they need to do a Lee patch with Lars but yet again I don’t know a ton about Lars other than even people who like him think he plays bad.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Lee needs a few buffs but nothing huge, its kinda like Yoshi. He needs to do so much more work to win, but hes also a hit and run character (poke) with big wall dmg.

I agree though, having a high skill floor to play should mean i get high reward

Illusionz
Illusionz

LowHigh actually went as far as emailing/writing a note the Tekken dev team about Lars and actually got a response that they would look into him(nothing never happened though).
It's kinda sad cause you can tell that some people really like him and just want him to be decent.

eGremlin
eGremlin

over 100 wins on the mishima lineage (kaz,jin,hei)
hard stuck greens

Their really fun but i want to just gitgud, do i stick with them or just pick an easier character like a scrub and try to learn the game better?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Exactly. Lars does not need to be brought to DJ or Drag tier because we have seen what a competent Lars looks like in previous games. He had an issue transitioning over to 7 due to a lack of the bound system and it seems as though he was never compensated for that which is ridiculous. As you said he just needs to be decent, the team just needs to normalize him. It’s like Anakaris how he just doesn’t have a throw or AG. Just give it to him.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Pick one and focus in on them.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Actually Lars' combo game in T7 is fine, above-average even. The screw system worked out for him. What he got fucked over in is the CH game and nerfs to some of his moves combined with the removal of df2 means he has very few good moves to use. and even the good ones aren't really that good. add on top of this his shitty tracking and you realize there's no reason to play him.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Haven't versed a single noctis

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King_Martha
King_Martha

ps4 players are poor

happy_sad
happy_sad

Thanks for covering my ass, I don’t know much about Lars. He needs to be brought up to snuff and a few of the higher tiers need minor adjustments to some degree. Sometimes removing moves is ok, I actually like that Kazuya’s old normal launcher is gone because he should be EWGF centric and it makes him feel more defined, but I can’t imagine why it they’d take away so many of Lars’ good tools.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Which one of you faggots is Arsenalty?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

that's me, git gud scrub

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Make a Geese video, faget

DeathDog
DeathDog

anakin claims he doesn't care about character placement on a tier list and only plays what he likes
plays Jack in tournament

JunkTop
JunkTop

Is Tekken lagging ATM?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Of true, big ups, you make me want to make Tekken meme vids for he stoners

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Maybe he honestly enjoys playing Jack?

girlDog
girlDog

he's been playing jack since before t7 017er

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Would you guys watch shitpost/meme videos like Tendo/Arsenality make even if I’m a scrub?

The Tekken community lacks content but I think it’s a fun and cool game and I want more people to play :(

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Go ahead, do what you want. Why do you care what we think?

Flameblow
Flameblow

I'm about to throw in the towel with steve. Wanted to climb to high yellow with him and just promoted back to vindicator. I just cant stand his extreme lack of utility no launchers and his keep out/counter hit style (objectively the worst combination on any character) if i manage to improve my defense game more maybe i'll come back.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

How does Master Raven have good space control? What moves should i be using to achieve this?

Nojokur
Nojokur

Noctis is for ___

Nojokur
Nojokur

sidestepping

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I just double checked my notes and that combo isn't the best damage. It deals 71dmg and actually ends with d/b+1+2 post (S!). Best damage is
f+4,1; qcf+3,4; qcb+2,4; (S!) b+3~f+4,1,2
For 73dmg. I can make a web of both combos for you after I'm back from work, unless you check them out before I do.

That looks like the best you can get for 79dmg. Best for wall carry off of that launcher is the same as the one above.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

sidestep and space myself correctly
but too much of a scrub to whiff punish properly, execution immediately turns to shit for that one moment

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Why can't you use costum's in tourneys anyway?

I mean surely there's a way to trigger the "unlock everything" flag in games, and allow player to customize.

massdebater
massdebater

Because nobody wants to sit around and wait for every player to make an outfit for their characters.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

nonexistent fans of a dying series.

Needs a buff.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Implying Demon(ghost)-milf, Mecha-Heihachi, LC and Claudio (Maven too if Wesley doesn't budge) are not 100% in Tekken 8 (and Tekken X SF)

Lmao at your opinions

Methshot
Methshot

Please Buff LAW enough so that his higher difficulty no longer makes people pick Shaheen instead.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

they should do it for top 8 or grand final at least
players could make their customs at the end of the previous days games

whereismyname
whereismyname

I would just like to point out that Super Smash *is* a fighting game series, not just a party game for children.

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

mecha-Heihachi

I never knew I wanted something so badly until now...

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

finally get around to playing T7
kinda skipped over 6 because the console generation was bad and loading times were abysmal
see everyone praising Harada
excited to play my favourite characters
they're not in the game
they're not going to be added because Harada says fans want the game to be accessible
Yeah, explain this bullshit right fucking now.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

its a fighting game for children

Bidwell
Bidwell

Who's your favorite?

MPmaster
MPmaster

Lei most likely

Techpill
Techpill

Fun little story:
SoCalfag here. I went to my first Wednesday Night Fights tourney in an attempt to learn T7 from better players and get some tips on streaming. Yes, Noctis was fucking everywhere

I was watching this Kuma player absolutely demolish a guy I was *just* having a nice casual convo with. After the rape subsided, I heard the victim claim he 'didn't even really care or play the game anyway'. A little player by the name of RunItBlack was beside me and made a comment to the poor fellow.
You've been spending too much time at Luis' house, fucker!
Well whoever this Luis guy was, it was the last fucking straw. This man's anus had been pummeled for the last time. This dude fucking LEAPT at Black and pushed him right into a wall knocking his hat off (Black was *still* talking shit the whole time, truly a wonder to behold)! Sadly there were no RL wall combos here as the fight was broken up, but I had never seen such sodium released from someone whom apparently "didn't care".

TL;DR Moral of the story: Play the bears

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

talk shit

get hit

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

what's gormless?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Brit slang, someone who's acting foolish.

likme
likme

they're not going to be added because Harada says fans want the game to be accessible
What? You first.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

youtube.com/watch?t=89s&v=gyAUo1rkZGA

This is neat. Didnt know that Leo's b+14 is unsafe

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

anyone got a consistent noctis low parry combo? the best ive found are these (tested on xiaoyu so i assume works on all characters):

low parry, df1, 42, delay 2, 1+2, ff4 [50]
low parry, df1, 42, delay 2, 1+2, f2 [45]
low parry, df1, 42, delay 2, 1+2, f1+2 [43]

the timing for delay 2, 1+2 is pretty tight
also i dont really like ff4

Spamalot
Spamalot

doods.. max not streaming noctis anymore..

TreeEater
TreeEater

figured out two more
low parry, 1+2, 42, delay 2, f1+2 [44]
low parry, df1+2, 42, delay 2, 22222 [47]
think that second one is best for both damage (if you ignore the ff4 one) and wall carry

Snarelure
Snarelure

Higher execution should be easier to win with
This is a fucking horrible game design philosophy

WebTool
WebTool

LowHigh actually went as far as emailing/writing a note the Tekken dev team
Jesus Christ this is such a bitch made thing to do. I've never seen other pro players who play low tier characters do something like that. Why are Lars players like this?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Because Lars was very cheap. His old d/f2 was rightfully removed from the game with good reason because that move was absolutely retarded.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Because customs are ugly and distracting

That may have more to do with just RiB being a massive bitch who shit talks literally everyone and constantly throws tantrums. He thinks he's a big boy when he can't make top 8 pretty much ever. Just look at his lashing out at when Miles got picked for Eleague, a smart publicity move getting more women, but he was acting like that was his spot when tons of far better players would have been next in line, not him.

That being said what did the bear player look like? It might have been Olly but if it was a fat Asian guy it was probably PVB from NorCal.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Worked pretty well on broodwar and tekken

Playboyize
Playboyize

good luck doing it online and good luck getting blown the fuck out once leo starts mixing up b+14 with b+1.

Techpill
Techpill

Higher execution should be easier to win with

but that's not what i said retard

5mileys
5mileys

he still plays tekken?

Methshot
Methshot

He barely plays fighting game these days, doesn't he? Pretty much every time he seems to play a game once when dlc comes out or a week if the game is new/popular but then he drops it. That's at least what I've seen as someone who doesn't follow his content.

broodwar
Not a fighting game
tekken
Tekken has historically had terrible balance and this is the most balanced the game has ever been

I'd want the most technically difficult characters to be the strongest
Yes that's what you said

WebTool
WebTool

He played MvCI every day and then fell off once it got unpopular. Every time I tune in he mentions it. That was his game and his soul died a little when it became out of fashion.

SniperWish
SniperWish

strongest ≠ easiest brainlet

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

His 1,2,1+2 is interruptible by jabs and magic 4. That teleport exists to counter those.
But in realitty sidestepping is safer and 1,2,1+2 is trash

askme
askme

How long before people gain their senses and ban geese, akuma, eliza and noctis?

likme
likme

Shame that game sucks so much

When you make execution barrier the direct pass to winning it becomes less about neutral, poking, movement, and mind games and just becomes about people never being able to escape your blender alive. What you are proposing is making the game not Tekken but instead an anime game which usually favors execution over anything else.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

phat viet boy is a god tier nickname btw

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

the only fun dlc character*

viagrandad
viagrandad

Imagine being this big of a bitch

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

And King

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

implying

askme
askme

2Dshit with short movelist, cancels and circle motions all over the place
fun

King_Martha
King_Martha

explain in detail what is wrong with each of these characters

Techpill
Techpill

I don't know how to play against them

idontknow
idontknow

for noctis just sidewalk around to the right constantly until they use one of their moves then block and punish it (almost every single move is punishable)

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

2ds and shitty guest character

massdebater
massdebater

not an argument

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

who's stronger between bob and heihachi?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

beibobchi

WebTool
WebTool

Heihachi no contest. Bob is more agile, though.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

the hell does that mean

Bidwell
Bidwell

Bob easily, but Heihachi is more mobile.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Shit I meant in game terms, not lore

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farquit
farquit

twitter.com/IGN/status/974344489006374912

When Aris returns after a 24 hour no stream

WebTool
WebTool

I was referring to lore because that's what I assume by "who's stronger"

Pure damage output I think is Heihachi but in terms of who is better overall I would say Bob definitely

Firespawn
Firespawn

hey mom i posted it again xd

cum2soon
cum2soon

Pure damage output I think is Heihachi
Not if we take into account Bob's optimal wallcombo that makes him do over 90 damage off of his hopkick

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

If we want to get into that then Hei is capable of matching that damage on the wall off of his staple launcher. Fact is Hai is better for damage in an open ground combo and his standing punishment is solid. I wouldn't sniff at his WS either but it's obviously nothing amazing.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

optimal wallcombo
heihachi does that with a regular combo without walls

Evilember
Evilember

No he doesn't

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

If you're good at block-punishing -15 moves with a 14 frame electric then Heihachi's standing punishment is really good.
WS Bob has him beat though

SniperGod
SniperGod

Complete lie. He can get that with rage but I don't think any of his open ground combos breach 90. The only thing close is an optimal OTGF which does somewhere in the low 80s if I remember right.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Exactly my point. On paper he's better overall, even with the weak WS game. In a real match though? I'd probably give it to Bob.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

just pick a top tier

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Plus even though Heihachi's db2 is a +5 on hit high-crushing low with good damage, you can't compare it to a proper hellsweep that knocks down

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Man taking away twin pistons AND ruining his hellsweep really has fucked this character. I wonder if he still had both would JDCR still play Heihachi.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Thing is though, Hei's hellsweep gives 75 damage in an optimal combo, much better than any other hellsweep. The trade off is that it's a relatively safe mixup with a safe mid and -11 low. The first hit is still death on block, but that goes for any hellsweep.

happy_sad
happy_sad

The first hit of his hellsweep shouldn't stagger on block to be honest, so he gets to do his mixup with it.
Also his WS1 should be 13 frames, not 14.

It's not a "relatively safe mixup" though because you're risking a stagger block on the first hit. It's trash, my dude

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

No other hellsweep can still fail if you get hit by the first hit. His hellsweep is trash compared to all the rest of them and any Heihachi main would take the old tsunami kick back in a heartbeat.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

You're not wrong, but if the first hit is getting blocked then that's entirely your fault. The first hit is unseeable. I agree with you though, I wish it didn't stagger on the first hit but the only way that would be fair is if the second was more punishable than it is now.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Well right now Hei's hellsweep is barely worth doing.
the only way that would be fair is if the second was more punishable than it is now
Why talk about fairness when DJ's hellsweep launches on regular hit?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Daddyking is streaming

Emberburn
Emberburn

still no kazuma

:(

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GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Heihachi's hellsweep is awful yes, but if you're going to buff him you should leave that move alone. Some shit moves should stay shit.
Here's how you make Heihachi a viable pick outside of casual play:
i13 ws+1
he gets an i15 version of twin pistons
db3 becomes -13 on block and neutral on hit
how about it?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Bamco Would make a lot more money if they allowed you to put Noctis into a fundoshi

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

By d/b+3 I presume you mean d/b+2. I'd leave that move alone, but I would look to improve his d+1 instead.

happy_sad
happy_sad

By db3 I mean db3

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

They would make a lot more money if they have him fundoshis AND bikinis

w8t4u
w8t4u

The generic d/b+3? Why? Better still would be to get a new move on that notation.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Is it really generic? I don't remember anyone else having an animation like that

SniperGod
SniperGod

It's a generic FC+3 isn't it? I mean, admittedly it is pretty unique now because everyone else actually has a move in that slot.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Nah he does have fc3 and it's a different move.
I was about to describe it but hold on, let me go see if I'm not just posting bullshit

Booteefool
Booteefool

why did you buy a pos4

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

coolest grappler in a fighting game
not tager

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

How dare you

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Snarelure
Snarelure

to play persona 5, bloodborne, gravity rush 2, yakuza and the SoC remake.

Methshot
Methshot

Yakuza is the only good game there

Flameblow
Flameblow

Damn, you're right. It is the generic fc 3
He definitely needs a move in that notation then. Maybe a less plus on hit version of Kazumi's db4?

5mileys
5mileys

I haven't played Hei in ages but I think I remember the move. It's not quite the same as FC+3 but the frames are virtually identical. The move is definitely a generic one though.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I enjoyed all of them.

Snarelure
Snarelure

I don't have the updated tekkenbot so I couldn't check the frames. To me they looked the same

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I'm getting one tomorrow for my birthday because I wanna play Monster Hunter

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

RBNorway puts them at roughly the same. I agree though, he needs a move in that notation and really a d/f+3+4 or d+3 move. Get rid of the duplicate notation.

farquit
farquit

It's my birthday today, nice to see another march bro here
I thought about doing the same thing,
but no g rank no buy

likme
likme

Doesn't his spear low track right?

Inmate
Inmate

You should have held out another day and we could be birthday buddies like Yipes and Sp00ky. Your poor stamina ruined everything.

No G rank didn't stop me from greatly enjoying generations, and as a HBG main I'm stoked to be overpowered

WebTool
WebTool

Ps4 is worth it if you have friends playing on it as well. Personally I don't like it for fighting games but some people don't seem to mind it. Monster hunter is fun too, happy birthday user.

Soft_member
Soft_member

I was a kinsect fag back in MH4U myself. Do you know how it is in World?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Also happy birthday

It's got a decent enough library at this point that it feels worth it. I won't really play fighting games on it except maybe getting Tekken for it just because I'm going to CEO this year and probably EVO so I'll probably practice a bit with tournament exact input lag so it's not too embarrassing when I drown in pools. Besides it's a gift and I have several friends who I can play online with, so it's worth it for me. Thanks for the well wishes.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Still top tier to my knowledge but not as braindead as MH4U where everything you did lead to mounting the monster. Sage for being off topic.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

tfw had the insect upgrades just right so it was lightning fast
good times
Back to kekken Knee disappointed me with the DJ pick and I'm surprised I seem to be the only one who thinks this.

Firespawn
Firespawn

fight fire with fire

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Yeah I was hoping to see something differend. Also, the only character that seems to consistently beat JDCR is DJ for some reason.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I think this is the reason The scene seems to be dominated by the few absolute god tier characters, which is sad. At least we've got Chanel with the interesting picks.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

KURAE

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

weakest tournament I've seen, and I have watched every single one since the june release

likme
likme

Chanel picks interesting but still very viable options. As it should be, unfortunatly the scene is dominated by a handful of picks, followed by character loyalists. For all the smack they get the EU scene is still very enjoyable to watch because the top players all seem to go with their favorites instead of just what's good.

whereismyname
whereismyname

The EU scene is pretty weak, but I love the variety in picks. I can't blame Knee for going with DJ though, he's been playing him for a long time and he's the best character in his main pool of picks. I'm just glad he's winning tournaments again.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

unfortunatly the scene is dominated by a handful of picks
What the fuck are you talking about? We get character variety all the time, just so happened it wasn't as much this tournament.

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StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

How do you not get caught moving forward? I verse Pauls as Jack and they just back dash and as I approach they deathfist me

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Not in top 8 and finals we don't.

Nojokur
Nojokur

No I'm pretty sure Knee noticed what I noticed a while ago: JDCR doesn't know how to fight DJ. His playstyle is all about controlling the pace of the match but you cannot do that against DJ which robs Dragunov of some of his strength and fucks with how JDCR plays. This is why he can't beat Qudans either.

JDCR needs to figure out the hole in his gameplan or get a secondary meant to take out DJ.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

by dashing forward and then blocking

Soft_member
Soft_member

f+2

eGremlin
eGremlin

This is more to do with the fact that their is just a small pool of players who are really good at the game "wow i can't believe drag is in the top 8 again when the best player mains him!" Only character over represented is Jack and I think it's just because they all enjoy him and easy.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

we get same player in top 8 finals and thats why we get same chars.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

But there is no way to fight DJ other than sticking to fundamentals and guessing right on the mixups. It just so happens that his mixups are the best ones.
inb4 all dj top 8

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Jack vs Paul is very frustrating for Jack. You need to very cautiously approach and get pokes in, don't go in swinging. What's good for Jack is that once you get the life lead you can go on the defensive because Paul can't as easily bully you as others because Jack can punish his moves despite the push back.

We get 6-10 unique characters picked in every top 8. FR had Jack, Dragunov, Kazumi, Alisa, DJ, Shaheen, and Paul.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Don't forget King

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I knew I was forgetting someone

cum2soon
cum2soon

be me
play dragunov
constantly whiff
someone explain

whereismyname
whereismyname

move closer before punching

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

You overestimate his range

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

That's on you.
Also be more specific, what are you whiffing, and why?

girlDog
girlDog

Learn how to move

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Well the reason it works against JDCR is that his gameplan revolves around two things: sidestepping and going for his opponents throat then proceeding to never let go. A more patient and less oppressive playstyle can beat DJ, remember Saint almost beat Qudans at the finals and there's a reason Knee preferred Paul against Saint, but the way JDCR plays is very weak against a character who takes no risks, has excellent tracking, and has such strong mixups.

eGremlin
eGremlin

just sidestep noctis lol
oh wait he has a spammable homing mid CH launcher
...huh.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Why did you sidestep and press a button rather than sidestep block then whiff punish on reaction?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Geese can parry Kings moonsault

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Jin can parry bullets

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Jin can as well I bet.
I wonder if Heihachi's b+1+4 parry could do it as well.

girlDog
girlDog

Jim can parry thots

MPmaster
MPmaster

proof?

Supergrass
Supergrass

He keeps dodging xiaoyu

Illusionz
Illusionz

that's because hwo keeps dodging him

Nojokur
Nojokur

all law players do is launch punishable shit and it hits me every time fuck this character

TreeEater
TreeEater

Stop getting hit

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Literally everything, WR2, d+2, u/f+4, etc
Why? I don't know man I must just be trash

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

This happened to everyone as a scrub. It's probably the best test of patience you're gonna get.

idontknow
idontknow

A 15f version of old TP would do nothing for him other than allow him to launch -16 lows and lows that don't stagger but recover crouching.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

You need to learn their ranges

cum2soon
cum2soon

First of all, get used to his range. This takes a few games. Whenever I play a new character I whiff the dumbest shit for no reason, because I haven't got a feel for his range yet. Once you got that down, make a point of not being too obvious as to when you use the moves. Don't do WR at half screen, that's asking for trouble, learn iWR, you don't need to do it point blank but at least closer to the opponent for the move to be effective against a competent player. Don't be too eager to throw out moves, stay calm and try to find the right time to attack. It's why you see high level players just move around half the round, they're trying to find the right time to go in so they won't get stepped/backdashed and whiff punished.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

JDCR played the 2nd worst Hei ever in 6BR, but 2nd hellsweep was still safe back then

TechHater
TechHater

i cannot beat hwoarang. he's better from every single range. you can't approach because of armored homing launchers and peacekeeper. you can't beat him in close range because b1 is fully invincible apparently. all his flamingo mixups are safe and you'll usually eat a launcher for ever trying to take a turn. fuck this character.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Right now he can only launch staggering lows so that would be good

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Wasn't Armor King more so his main back then?

takes2long
takes2long

Learn how to move better and stop following your flowchart: adapt.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I found a video of 6br heihachi and he's got a fucking hopkick.
What was bad about him?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Man, FF really is the gayest shit ever created by man.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

noctis
noctis
law
hwaorang
noctis

Yellows are fucking cancerous right now.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Meant for

Emberfire
Emberfire

Doesn't help that most noctis players right now are smurfs because harada fucked up.

Evilember
Evilember

Fasthandscody is the name of the Kuma player

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

how would you avoid this

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Why is Noctis such a twink? All the other males look like martial artists. Except that lithe cunt

Booteefool
Booteefool

Leo is a blonde Noctis

Techpill
Techpill

Damn i struggle to try sometimes when i play and just go autopilot and not really focus..

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

sidewalk left at beginning of round
kazuya hellsweep still hits me
awesome.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

go to practice mode and work on that thing you kept fucking up on. kill the tunnel vision or straight up do something else to refresh yourself

takes2long
takes2long

Get comfortable with the controls. If someone tells you "take a break from the game" or other vague shit ignore them, you need to get used to how the movement feels

Emberburn
Emberburn

What is the correct input for Nina's ws1 loops? I've seen all kinds of shit from HCF to qcf-uf. Is there any real trick or correct method to do it?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

yes, get a hitbox

Emberburn
Emberburn

You sidewalked his crouchdash.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

*sips tea*

TreeEater
TreeEater

Dont worry, the waifufags are all in low ranks mashing their favorite buttons. You wont find them anymore after a while

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Having noctis get the rank you should have on all your other characters automaticly (grandmaster if you're warrior for example)

RumChicken
RumChicken

tfw after months and months of switching and trying new characters you realize your true main is the first one you picked

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idontknow
idontknow

hell ye

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

why does /tekgen/ hate Asuka?

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

having a crushing fast mid that launches and is safe might have something to do with it

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

you're in the club chillin' when you accidentally bump into this guy and interrupt his phone call
he's really not happy about it
what do?

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Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Get launched into an 75~ damage combo, whine about it on /tekgen/

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Why the fuck do all of noctis moves hit literally from half screen?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Shitposter swears that Harada said that there will be no more support after noctis
Flying_Wonkey know japanese , he translated some shitty text he cant be wrong
LMAO

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

safe
that's where you're wrong, kiddo

takes2long
takes2long

Reminder that there are people here right now who will talk WITH FULL CONFIDENCE, and sometimes even smugly, about things they know nothing about.

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Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

They cant deal with Defensive tekken, the moment she use one of his great defensive tools like his safe CH launchers, Crushing low pokes and crushing panic moves on top of her parries they start saying false things like how She is not defensive, or how Steve and Ling are offensive characters

StonedTime
StonedTime

It's the same aspie who kept going on about noctis coming out in June.
He had no evidence and got proven wrong like the faggot he is.

Playboyize
Playboyize

I CANT TELL WHICH THROW BREAK IT IS

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happy_sad
happy_sad

What do offensive and defensive mean in the context of Tekken?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Asuka? All i see is a gorilla in human clothes

girlDog
girlDog

lots of panic moves
easy for her to go under mids with some moves
absolutely disgusting FC game
loaded with safe CH launchers
lots of cancelable moves
when you think you've found a gap in their offense you have to worry about the parry
mini dragunov wr2
She's a character that enables shitters to play like shitters which is why so many of them lack common sense and basic fundamentals. Watching Dimeback get blown the fuck up by a no name Katarina who did nothing but ss hopkick all because he refused to block was hilariously sad.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Honestly it's more the type of player I loathe, as they often fail to play anything other than Asuka properly due to the lack of good panic buttons.

Methshot
Methshot

beat a character I never faced before quite easily
So this is the power of movement and poking...

farquit
farquit

embrace it

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Lab Noctis for 1 hours
know how to deal with all his moves
Lab Dragunov since TT2
still don't know all his strings because they all look the same
hmmm

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Jokes on him, Im Geese Howard

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

You are supposed to dress him like a girl with mods

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

He fits in alongside characters like Lars, Alisa, Leo, etc. I still think we should've gotten Tifa instead though

iluvmen
iluvmen

But Tifa wouldn't have helped promote XV

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

You gave me an idea: I'm going to start screencapping all the dumb shit that gets posted and I'll put it in one big picture at the end of the year

massdebater
massdebater

Noctis in Tekken did not influence my decision to buy FFXV on PC. I was planning that way before his Tekken announcement

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

She would've helped promote the FF7 remake we're getting in 10 years though

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Okay, what does that have to do with my post?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Because that's shitty reasoning. Nobody that didn't care before is going to care now that he's in Tekken.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

that's the mirror buddy

Skullbone
Skullbone

I'm not talking about his fucking asthethics. I'm talking about how the biceps the male cast are thicker than his thighs

He's more of a woman than Leo

iluvmen
iluvmen

Says you.
He's a great promotion for the PC version.

Inmate
Inmate

f+2? That shit isn't safe lol

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Yeah I forgot when Geese released and KoF sales went up record high

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I bought KoF XIV after playing Geese and didn't like it, movelists really are too short

massdebater
massdebater

New player here, how do you block lows, like Noctis' for example? I thought it was down back but that didn't seem to work.

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Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It's down back, also use practice mode to learn things, and online to apply them. Don't try to learn the game only through online.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Its a 2D fighters. Thats kind of the norm

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

it's supposed to be shit
bleh

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

down also works, down forward to parry within a window

Flameblow
Flameblow

Quantity does not equal Quality

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

No, now stop posting pictures of gorillas.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

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cum2soon
cum2soon

So this is the end of the /fgg/ shitposter

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

mini Dragunov wr2
You mean the move that's slow as hell and has the worst whiff animation in the game where she does that awkwardly cute stumble? Cause that move can definitely be put in the same breathe as Drag's wr2

WebTool
WebTool

No, he means her ragedrive you dumb asukaretard

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Reminder to always demote Kazuyafags whenever possible.

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

A move you only get once once put round compared to a move that can be looped to infinity.
Also 5 frames slower
It's okay user. Asuka calls a lot of people idiots. Don't take it personally.

What exactly are the properties of Kat's RD? I feel like I rarely ever see it.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

katarina

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Emberfire
Emberfire

Decide to try bowling as Noctis
Get a strike
Doesn't say "Hell yeah"
Wasted opportunity.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I'm pretty sure he's saying something in Japanese that translates to 'easy', not "hell yeah", even though it sounds like it.
Then again Chloe says "Oh yeah!" and it's translated as "Yahoo" so who knows.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Don't even like playing as noctis that much, but I kinda want to play FFXV, is it as bad as it looks?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

hardest character by far
hurr hell sweep is op durr

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

He used dragunov wr2 as a reference, and he is correct, The move itself it's still a mini dragunov wr2 if it wasnt 5 frames slower you would call it dragunov wr2 isntead of mini dragunov wr2.
We are using movement with similar characteristics as reference and here you are trying to say that move it's not like a mini dragunov wr2 because it cant be looped infinity

Both movements are similar but one is 5 frames slower
Asuka ragedrive is totallly not a mini version of dragunov WR2 trust me i am an asukatard

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Idk what you mean by properties exactly, but it's an attack throw that can only be used out of her harrier stance which is very slow, so that means its not very good as far as rage drives go, but it is the highest damage wall ender in the game iirc.

girlDog
girlDog

I don't know how bad the game was on release but the windows edition is great. Lots of content, thought i'd gotten most of the achievements by now but guess not.

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Bidwell
Bidwell

Yes, Katarina. The only honest female in the game.

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

JIM!!!!!!

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Her ability to steal rounds is unparalleled. With rage drive she can capitalize on a crush launcher and kill you from almost two thirds health.

Emberfire
Emberfire

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Techpill
Techpill

hardest character by far
Kazuya

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

What's the best combo off Noctis' CH u1?

SniperWish
SniperWish

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RumChicken
RumChicken

It's alright. The combat and rpg mechanics are unbelievably braindead. The Story is shit and cringy, but the boyband-party-dynamic worked well.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I've been demoted out of green by a law three times now. It's honestly pretty funny at this point

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

What happens if i leave while on loading screen? Do i still get disconnect penalty or whatever?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

green laws are so easy to deal with, just block dragon tail and parry junkyard

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

yes please

cum2soon
cum2soon

But it does equal fun and characters being interesting

Flameblow
Flameblow

i can block dragon tail and parry junkyard 100/100 times in training mode with the dummy set to random attacks. online in a real match wow boo lmao, i get launched every time.

Playboyize
Playboyize

What determines whether M Raven's qcf34 gets the slide or not?

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Techpill
Techpill

I don't usually have a lot of time to practice against law players because I run into them almost immediately and get deranked and mad as fuck. It's been a long time since I've fought a law because the last time it happened I took a 2 month break and am just getting back into the game now.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Just experienced my second crash online after the patch. Somebody tell Harada on twitter to fix this shit!

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Be mashing the right button already

Spamalot
Spamalot

luck desu

MPmaster
MPmaster

anyone?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Noctis is the last Tekken 7 DLC

What a WASTE he's fun but I'll never play him since the odds of him appearing in another fighting game as is? slim to none.

WebTool
WebTool

distance

iluvmen
iluvmen

Where did all the fun go, lads ? 100 hours in and I find myself angry, frustrated more than I fin myself having fun.
I must go back to the basics of the true Bushido and start anew. Once again.

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Tekken 3 HD when?

Evilember
Evilember

Yeah dude, just like we aren't getting Noctis until June and its gonna come with kawaii Bob.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

scrub mentality, realise that losses are your own fault instead of getting mad at what you perceive to be unfair or gimmicks

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

God damn Lee is TRASH

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

who the fuck is Alyssa?

Bidwell
Bidwell

Not excellent

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I think it depends how far the opponent is from the ground

King_Martha
King_Martha

Alyssa Boscojewvitch

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

safe
fast
feel free to drop the game again

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

don't press down to block low

Supergrass
Supergrass

yeah but you can block it on reaction and get a ws launch punish

TechHater
TechHater

is it me or does noctis have shitty wallcombos?

TreeEater
TreeEater

Jin Kazama

whereismyname
whereismyname

Paul Phoenix

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

help me with my nocturd dressup
how can i make this look more like pheonix wright? what items should i give him
also why the fuck cant you change this faggot anime hair

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

NOCTIS

LUCIS

CAELUM

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

In Tekken 8 now that Heihachi is dead the one in charge of the Mishima Zaibatsu better be Kuma__ and his main costume he should be wearing a suit

iluvmen
iluvmen

Don't go for that shit. If you can get a wall, use the best conversion to get a good wallsplat. If you're on open ground do a ff3,ff4 finisher

eGremlin
eGremlin

kuma will take lees job, lee is new king

Booteefool
Booteefool

He has a demoman if you give him more he would be broken because how insane he's wall carry is. it's on leo's level if you screw with 1+2 and follow up with the 4 hit of his autocombo, both 1+2 and a demoman are ok . and you have stuff like Wall splat ,rage drive, SS demoman for stupid damage.to make a comeback at the wall

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Give him a male body

cum2soon
cum2soon

Lee doesnt give a shit anymore. He's got his own company to run

Snarelure
Snarelure

Is it a good strategy to gamble away a 10f block punish for a slower CH launcher?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

He has a demoman if you give him more he would be broken
I dont understand this reasoning

MPmaster
MPmaster

no
you can just do the slower ch launcher with the + frames from your 10f punish if you really want

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Heihachi's death will trigger the return of Raijinn and he'll assume control of the Zaibatsu.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Always punish correctly.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

What if my most damaging punish leaves me at minus frames?

farquit
farquit

what kind of retard would attack after doing a punishable move?

Illusionz
Illusionz

learn drag and youll knowthem all took me like 3 days

Lunatick
Lunatick

asuka is pure and honest

farquit
farquit

There are exceptions. For example Bryans doing orbitals after their ff4 is blocked, and Fengs ducking or doing a high-crush move when their b1 is blocked.

It's why you see good players sometimes do a ws4 when blocking mach kick, even though it's not a punish.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Lee's a bum he won't get shit

SniperGod
SniperGod

how do ff move after a jab, i can never buffer it correctly.

Evilember
Evilember

first f during recovery second f when you have control again

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Practice it with different timings. The only input you can buffer is the first forward.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Just played against my first Noctis. f2 and db2 together make for some uncomfortable neutral. Was I imagining it or is his RA whiff recovery something really stupid?

happy_sad
happy_sad

but why tho

i want to buffer my pewgf reee

DeathDog
DeathDog

f2 and db2 together make for some uncomfortable neutral
they're both beat by ducking

takes2long
takes2long

Asuka has a safe full damage 14 frame launcher on Forgotten Realm.

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Soft_member
Soft_member

To be fair, every character has a bullshit launcher on forgotten realm.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Are breaks good? And I don't mean breaks as in a few hours I mean days or weeks.

I'm scared I will forget everything and lose my muscle memory for electrics

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

if you stop playing you'll probably die

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

he learned electrics instead of movement and poking
never gonna make it

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

my wavedashing and KBD improved after 4 months of not touching the game. i also sprained and healed my left wrist in this timeframe but i have no idea if that has anything to do with it. i play on arcade stick.

JunkTop
JunkTop

What makes you retards say this every time, no where in his post did he state this

massdebater
massdebater

It's perfectly reasonable to assume that someone who says dumb stuff is not a good player

JunkTop
JunkTop

I played this game for one picosecond when the arcade version first came out, then picked it up just today and did three CH df2 PEWGF in a row followed by at least a hundred TJUs and still counting

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Please tell me that's not true

Supergrass
Supergrass

tfw accidental jump jab wins you the game

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Spamalot
Spamalot

Not exactly what you're referring to but I switched from Kazumi to Law for a month and now I'm unable to play the game properly anymore for some reason, all my fundamentals and execution have disappeared.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

100 wins isnt that much dude

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

f2 is special mid so you can block it by ducking or standing but thats not really beating it, you want to sidestep it and launch
db2 you can duck and block on reaction then ws launch punish

Snarelure
Snarelure

It is. If you bought Noctis check him out in practice mode.
Also instead of guess-ducking you could have just sidestepped

Snarelure
Snarelure

He has to sidestep Noctis' F2 to get a 10 damage punish

Buzama da na

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Evilember
Evilember

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

You can't buffer movement

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I wish there was more footage of Gen's Bob

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Spooky said while he was commentating for Final Round that he thinks Jin's parry to be the best move in the game

Illusionz
Illusionz

I wish there was more footage of Bob in general. MBC is fine but it's like he's fucking around a lot of the times

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Was there a tournament more hype than mastercup last year?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Kkokkoma plays him sometimes but you have to find the footage on twitch. Knee is pretty good with naming the characters in the deathmatches he uploads so you can find some Bob videos on his channel.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Yeah that was a pretty stupid thing to say

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I assume 99% of what I'm seeing here is complete gimmicky shit and isn't viable against a real human bean right?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

you're a pretty stupid thing

Skullbone
Skullbone

You mean he's a thing that is pretty stupid or that he's a thing that is pretty AND stupid?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

pure
*laughs in french*

TreeEater
TreeEater

HON HON

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Secret hint of the day: when you do something punishable and your opponent blocks it, duck.
If they do the proper punish you'll get hit regardless, if they try to be cheeky and do some dumb shit like a hellsweep instead then you'll block it.
Only do this when you're sure the other guy goes for punishes, otherwise you'll eat a hopkick for doing a -12 move

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

what if theyre retards who think hopkick punishes everything

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

You make sure of that before applying that strategy as I said

girlDog
girlDog

Just had an Eddy unplug against my Noctis before the game even started. The irony of the situation is pretty hilarious.

massdebater
massdebater

I only main the dlc characters

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

movement
and
poking

Snarelure
Snarelure

I hope you sent him a GG message

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

You know a character is annoying to fight against when even Eddies dodge him

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

literal full screen safe high damage mid launcher
What what a fun and balanced character I love noctes

Methnerd
Methnerd

I can't believe how safe it is, that's what baffles me the most about the move

farquit
farquit

Yeah it's funny that you think you're the one playing the honest character here

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

t. eddy main

askme
askme

Name 1 (one) dishonest thing about eddy

eGremlin
eGremlin

uf2?

RavySnake
RavySnake

his movelist

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Noctis shouold have been Lightning desu

viagrandad
viagrandad

He spends the vast majority of time in an airborne state meaning punishes against him are mostly floats which means your average damage aginst Eddy is much less than other characters.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

What's the framedata of the move?
Both impact frames and block frames please and thank you anons

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

wow i watched that framewhisperer video too.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Not an argument. Debate me.

eGremlin
eGremlin

literally 30 frames it's almost as slow as an unblockable

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Yeah, and it makes sense. Unless you're willing to refute it

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

mostly floats
That's if you're up against a good Eddy. If you fight an Eddy who likes to press buttons all the time then you get full launches even when he's in his stances

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Just had my first encounter with a snake edge spamming ling (i think it's ss4). I'm curious, are you veterans able to block it on reaction? I was only able to do it on hard reads.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

this shit here is what annoys me most
you can never get full damage on him because he's always floating around yet he gets full damage on you, it's really annoying

Emberburn
Emberburn

Get out of green ranks and people might debate you.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

framewhisperer is in orange. debate him

DeathDog
DeathDog

Use the read to help you notice it, it's what I do

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

ss4 is ch launcher and not reactable ss3 is snake-edge and reactable.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Not an argument.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I love you Asuka

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cum2soon
cum2soon

offline and 5 bar only otherwise that shit is unseeable don't let any of these green rank shitters who don't even play the game tell you otherwise

Skullbone
Skullbone

Feels great to destroy Oscars who have no idea how the game works

SniperGod
SniperGod

I'm beating Noctasses pretty consistently now
but I still can't do jackshit against Hwoarang, all of his moves look the same to me

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

thicc thighs

SniperWish
SniperWish

thats racist

Bidwell
Bidwell

yeah, I love b3

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happy_sad
happy_sad

Same here. I know how to handle most of the cast by now, but characters with a lot of strings still destroy me.

whereismyname
whereismyname

That's fucking sidestep 3, I HATE that move. Definitely the hardest snake edge to react to, I've only blocked it on reaction once or twice and I've eaten hundreds of them.

Methshot
Methshot

i just hopekick when i think this shit might come out.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I've taken breaks for multiple months and come back just as bad as when I left. Also less angry.

StonedTime
StonedTime

That's what I did too, only to find out Noctis' hopkick is too shitty to reach that low

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Yeah I would have actually bought that

Emberfire
Emberfire

Why not do his orbital instead?

girlDog
girlDog

I love you too

Bidwell
Bidwell

It might have worked, but it's a bit slow and he moves forward so it's possible it could have whiffed

cum2soon
cum2soon

a-a-a-a-a-a

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

he moves forward so it's possible it could have whiffed
wha

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

not sure why but sometimes noctis' orbital seems to stop low crushing near the end of the animation for me.

Booteefool
Booteefool

I'm labbing it right now, Noctis goes over Ling if you orbital after a certain point into the ss3 animation

Playboyize
Playboyize

This is the funniest tekken image ever

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

do an accidental jump over
win with a cross up
Get outplayed kid.

Spamalot
Spamalot

you are correct, good sir

DeathDog
DeathDog

I came back stronger, and a lot more calm. I think it depends on the person, but getting your head out of the game makes you care less, which can be both a good or bad thing.

Lunatick
Lunatick

îts 27 frames on itself and 36 with the sidestep so its pretty easy to watch out and react to you just have to be aware

Flameblow
Flameblow

I think doing a mixup is a better idea if you're not going for the punish.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

pisspants is streaming

happy_sad
happy_sad

actually the biggest problem with it is that she can cancel it into BT so just stand up in time or do your WS launch or youll get hit by mistrust

Nojokur
Nojokur

wow you're so cool

Nojokur
Nojokur

I like Asuka.
I don't like playing as Asuka.
I don't like certain people who play Asuka (the bad ones, mostly).

5mileys
5mileys

Fucking beautiful.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

stay mad oscar fraud

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Updated with the missing characters ( except Noctis )
I also added some more colors and lines that are offensive to the eye

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Nojokur
Nojokur

try making some new bait

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I'm not baiting, it's a legit tier list.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

hwo hot garbage
S t U d E n T I n T h E a R t O f L e A r N i N g

w8t4u
w8t4u

Spotted the snake edging Lili player

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

playing leo
do d2
im plus a gorillion
mash on df1 as fast as possible
somehow i get CH

i dont understand

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SniperGod
SniperGod

keepout and spacing
asuka
Yeah nice try Asuka main, you know exactly where she needs to go

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Don't focus too much on the words "hot garbage", it's an exaggeration. Those are characters that are unique in how they play but they're simply not good.
Bears have no mid pokes and are big bodies, Gigas is a big body, Claudio and Hwoarang have no lows ( the latter having awful moves in general outside of his risky stances ), Lili is super linear and has no CH game

I'm not saying they're unplayable, of course.

idontknow
idontknow

I just picked up Tekken again,since some friends started to play it. I started to learn a new character, but the I don't get any battles online now, neither ranked or casual. Is T7 dead? Also, Europe

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I know she can be played mashing out launchers and all that, but she can't keep an offense like the real big boy gorillas can. She's a mere chimpanzee, and at the end of the day she throws out crushing CH launchers from afar and comes in only to do her annoying mixups

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

guys guys I just ran into blackbeard's smurfing noctis in yellow ranks. he wiped the floor with me but I managed to steal two games or so from him in a long DM

Techpill
Techpill

Your platform should appear in my magic crystal ball any moment now, give me another minute.

TechHater
TechHater

good shit. let me know how your progress goes. lookin thick, solid and tight.

FastChef
FastChef

Is Feng considered a slippery character?

In the Fergus doc it says that Feng is pretty elusive but he seems kinda bulky to me, once I get good is he actually evasive?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Feng literally goes through peoples legs

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

his stances and moves are pretty evasive. he's not ling tier but he's up there.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

kempo stance senpai makin niggas whiff since t5

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Yes, just remember to learn movement and poking

SniperWish
SniperWish

debate him

King_Martha
King_Martha

damn then Im a feng main
im a literal button smashing brainlet right now

ive won online by just pressing f4,4 i think it is, it low sweeps or something
sweet thanks anons
seems like feng has everything

TreeEater
TreeEater

learn hitbox
get a movement[/spoiler and poking

JunkTop
JunkTop

Dont focus on looking for moves that win you games easily, focus on learning how to move, punish, and poke. Lots of guides and videos are all around the Internet that teach you those things

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

it was a genuine compliment...

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Fair point user, I'm probably on 3 hours into this game and I'm already playing like a real bitch

I'll watch some basic tekken movement guides

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I honestly don't know what it is, but It's been really slow getting matches since the noctis patch. I'm on PC EU, anyone else having this issue?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

stay composed legit player

idontknow
idontknow

who is Yoman?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Yoshimitsu. It's a meme started by Aris.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Craig

RumChicken
RumChicken

Have fun m8

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cum2soon
cum2soon

200 iq switch to bryan inc???

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Steve and Asuka are defensive characters you are afraid of debating him

Spamalot
Spamalot

Goddamn he's such an attention whore.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Tekken itself it's having some issues since noctis patch, try killing tekken from the task manager and open it up several times otherwise wait for Harada to get off his ass and fix this shit

DeathDog
DeathDog

Yes they steal the turn by crushing (evading) an opponent's attack. That is defensive. Another reason I would class them as defensive attacks is the fact that they are best used only against the specific things they are good against (highs or lows) reason being that if you use them against say, a df1, you will get floated for whatever damage the opponent gets off of their float combo and also they are only good in specific situations (slightly negative to positive) because if you do them while too negative you won't crush anything. Moreover the fact that they do not give Asuka any pressure after they are blocked means they can only be used as a defense against the move that they are attempting to crush and if that fails your offense is forced to stop.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Steve's biggest strength is sitting on a life lead and discouraging you from attacking with his CH launchers.
No such thing as Steve pressure because you can just stand-block it all: his strings and pokes become scary once you want to attack. That makes him a keepout character.

I've already explained that Asuka can't put you under as heavy of a pressure as the real primates of the game

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

hell yeah this nvidia bloatware shit saved all the matches that I lost against him. Anyone interested in seeing a TWT finalist kick a yellow shitters ass and willing to give some tips?

Bidwell
Bidwell

I can't give you many tips because I'm a yellow shitter myself, but interested regardless.

Techpill
Techpill

Sure

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

go for it user

5mileys
5mileys

Shutting it down via the task manager helped a lot, no more connection errors or eternal waiting rooms. Cheers

DeathDog
DeathDog

I'm downloading WebMConverter to transform the mp4s. Will upload as soon as I figure this out

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Funny enough, I just ran into Mitrust-Storm's smurfing Noctis in blue ranks and managed to scrap 3 games, but I also got my ass kicked. Thankfully I saved it all, but in shitty PoS4 quality.

Bidwell
Bidwell

This is pretty retarded advice and is going to turn a small punish into a launch

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

the extension is guaranteed on counter, which also gives a free d4, if you think youll counter. you can try this with knk4 as well

Illusionz
Illusionz

See my Panda, bitch, and we'll find out who's the real hot garbage

RavySnake
RavySnake

shouldnt you be practicing devil jim

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Happened to me too when I tried using it for oki and get CH get up kick.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I main Jin, Lars and Noctis and I love anime

Snarelure
Snarelure

I assume Noctis will be added once we have a fuller understanding of what he is?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

the d2 was oB my bad

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

yeah thats what happened to me too. I've started using db1+2 for oki now because it hits grounded and if you space it well or they hold back they can't punish it.

Inmate
Inmate

lili

takes2long
takes2long

Why would he ask about European Bryans? I'm guessing he's scouting for whatever euro tournaments are coming up since his sponsor will probably help him go to it and he pretty regularly gets fucked by Bryan's since the Bryan he plays against the most is Jimmy.

MPmaster
MPmaster

i unironically think he is thinking of switching and he only asked for eu bryans because everyone already knows the good chink and burger bryans.

JunkTop
JunkTop

streamable.com/5vpd3

whereismyname
whereismyname

I can see it already
"My Bryan is better than my Kazumi and I've been playing Bryan for two weeks."

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

He probably realises (given his 200 iq) that everyone thinks he is a bitch for switching to kazumi so he probably wants to change to something that is considered at least somewhat mechanically difficult.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

lmao
Earlier today I got hit by f2 every time after my RD because I'm so used to being able to freely move after the opponent blocks it.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

mitta23

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Literally nobody online wtf

FastChef
FastChef

Sorry senpai I'm real tired so I'm going to go sleep.

Illusionz
Illusionz

nigga noctis can launch grounded opponents with db1,1+2

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Exactly , Steve Ling and Asuka are defensive characters!

JunkTop
JunkTop

just listing 2 keepout characters with an offensive character isn't a valid argument.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Is not a valid argument classifying Asuka and Steve as keep out character when their strongest tools are u at range 0, also pretty hilarious to say shit like the fact that you can block all day against steve when in reallity he has one of the strongest unblockable setup on the game fil

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

steve when in reallity he has one of the strongest unblockable setup on the game
lmao

whereismyname
whereismyname

jesus christ the webm looks like trash. Anyways, here is a sample round, it's from one of the last games where he had already demoted me and promoted off me. I got memed by what I presume is his df2 all game long, and as you can see I didn't punish it a single time. I haven't labbed noctis at all so I know zero frame data. no bully pls

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Supergrass
Supergrass

why Lili though?

Spamalot
Spamalot

if the first hit hits you are jailed for an unblockable , it's one of the strongest unblockable setups on the game now stop talking about shit you dont know about fil

Methshot
Methshot

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MPmaster
MPmaster

I saw him once in Sephiblack's stream trying to get info on Miguel.

girlDog
girlDog

Probably you were nervous but man, you need to really work on your KBD, still walking backwards on vanguard it's shameful

takes2long
takes2long

theres a red rank eliza who doesnt bd cancel at all

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Yes but she is playing a fraud character like a 2D, and the most cheap one nonetheless same goes with Fergus who likes to fraud with Asuka

Soft_member
Soft_member

imagine being this assblasted over character choice

iluvmen
iluvmen

underrated post

Playboyize
Playboyize

That red rank's alt is Asuka kek

Flameblow
Flameblow

implying
i am just stating facts

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

yeah I actually can KBD on both sides at a decent speed but holding back when I'm close to my opponent is so deep in my muscle memory I can't seem to do it in games all that much. I'll try to KBD more, thanks for the advice

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

fergus has more purple ranks than just asuka and before you say "but muh female unga fraud characters" he has a purple miguel.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

So? Miguel is also a fraud character regardless, No one is denying that Fergus is a decent player, But he takes advantage of Asuka cheapness in tourneys so he can beat better players, he would not be able to perform as well with other character with his shitty movement, its why he got exposed by that katarina on the infinite stage

happy_sad
happy_sad

he has mastered the pure unga indeed

Inmate
Inmate

unga
cringe

5mileys
5mileys

miguel is a fraud character
someone post the tekgen dishonesty rankings

SniperGod
SniperGod

the one that doesn't even have kazumi on it?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

he got exposed by that katarina on the infinite stage
I thought that was pretty funny, considering Fergus said on his stream that he thinks Katarina on infinite stages is the worst character in the game.

TreeEater
TreeEater

but where is yoshimitsu

cum2soon
cum2soon

agreed. People who play unga are cringy

idontknow
idontknow

Is there a tekgen dishonesty rankings?

I'm new and want to now who I can bitch about to get some (you)'s out of

likme
likme

Here's your (You)

cum2soon
cum2soon

A few threads ago someone told me that if I don’t mind the execution barrier that Kazuya is fine to learn the game on and will force me to learn proper Tekken. Is this true?

Skullbone
Skullbone

hello mommy is my first day on Veeky Forums and /tekgen/

girlDog
girlDog

yes, you can't really gimmick your opponents out with him.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I feel like this is a thing only Kazuya players say
the reality is you'll grind wavedashing and electrics and then you'll play full unga 50/50 Kazuya
You only play 'honest' Kazuya when you're first learning him

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

sounds good. as a follow up in terms of gameplan is Kazuya the simplest Mishima because a big reason I’m interested in him besides the lack of cheesing people out is his smaller movelist/simplicity when compared to DJ and Heihachi.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

well yes, his gameplan is simple, but you'll also have a great deal of trouble executing it properly

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Jin player spotted

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

50/50s are actually a core aspect of Tekken. It's the idea of enforcing your will on the opponent and that can be applied to any character in the game who has a good enough kit to accomplish that. You also get exactly zero bullshit to get by when play Kazuya thats low risk high reward. If you fuck up you fuck up hard.
Of course in reality its not that simple but the basic principle remains solid.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Can you explain a 50/50 user, I'm new and dont get the concept

SniperGod
SniperGod

just look up frame data for three things:
df2 (i think -20 on block)
d4,1,1+2 (demoman, if you block first hit its like -30 or something, last hit maybe -18)
db2 (should be around -19, launch punishable)
in that one short webm there was a df2 and a demoman you could have easily punished and won the round

MPmaster
MPmaster

That doesn’t bother me. I mean if I don’t enjoy him when I’m struggling to learn EWGF/wavedash I won’t bash my head against the wall for too long but whenever I see Choksae or Knee just pop someone with Kazuya it’s always so much fun to watch so I might as well give it a try. Also I’m having a huge problem finding a main to really sit down on so I figured why not work on my favorite Mishima and fundamentals two birds with one stone?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Best way to think about it is Paul. He’s in your face and deathfist hits mid and knocks you down and you eat a bunch of damage, but he also has demoman which knocks you down and you eat a bunch of damage but it hits low. It’s a brutal coin flip where you gotta guess right if you need to block low or mid.

MPmaster
MPmaster

miguel is a fraud character
wrong, hes the most honest character in the game

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

"Anyone who doesn't agree with me is a newfag"
Nope. Just cringing at your retard speak, retards.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Easy.
You put someone in a situation where there is two options. Example would be DJ, who has a low hellsweep that is unseeable, and WS+2 out of a wavedash thats mid and tail spins. Also is unseeable. You make them guess between the low or mid, either one or the other, much like heads or tails on a coin flip, but with the added variable that players have preferences and can lean towards one outcome more than another.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Yeah sure that's fine, what I was saying is that Kazuya's main strength is punishment, for for his standing punishment to be effective you need to be able to at least do a 15 frame electric as a block punish, that is hard as fuck. It's already hard enough to get the muscle memory necessary to df2 or hopkick for a generic tekken character when faced with the same situation.

Methnerd
Methnerd

he has exactly zero bullshit
that’s one of the main appeals of the character besides his purple suit and smaller movelist. i have my tools and it’s up to me to apply my gameplan as effectively as possible and if i eat shit that’s on me but if i win it’s because the other guy got fucked up.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Interesting, thanks anons.

In theory it sounds like fighting games would be more fun without 50/50s but I guess the guessing can also become a skill?

likme
likme

That’s true. Can you recommend another character in case I get frustrated and quit? I really do think I can go through with this because while this is my first Tekken it is not my first fighting game in the slightest, but if things really go ass up who would be someone else that can teach me how to play proper Tekken? I’ve heard mostly recommendations for Kazumi and Jack but they’re a little boring.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

without 50/50s you could infinitely defend.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Well it gets a little old when every character is a 50/50 machine but when it’s a little more selective it can be fine.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

In that regard, he's fine as a character. I'd play him as well if he wasn't so punishing on mis-inputs. His reliance in electrics for punishes is off putting for me when I still occasionally fuck them up and get a d/f2 instead

It's a skill with out a doubt, however in Tekken at least guessing right is often times more rewarding for the defender then the attacker. Then you also have to consider that there are methods to avoid being in those situations in the first place with some rudimentary awareness. It wont keep you out of them 100% of the time but it does help to mitigate it.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

hello mommy i posted again

Emberfire
Emberfire

I recommend The Main Man’s Kazuya guide as well. He’s a big fruity booty but in terms of just general Kazuya info that’s a good place to start.

DeathDog
DeathDog

its rarely ever an actual 50/50, you have other options than just blocking their attack
you can attack first to interrupt whatever they are trying to do
if you are grounded you can stay on the ground so that you wont get hit by a mid trying to get up
you can sidewalk to avoid one of the options and block the other (depending what they do)

Booteefool
Booteefool

DF2 is super punishable, totally a shit move

that terrible sperg out KDB
that movement

Yep, online alright.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Full disclosure if I didn’t like him lore wise and think he just looked cool I wouldn’t be as dead set on playing him as I am.

viagrandad
viagrandad

I don't know what kind of character you enjoy jack, and kazumi as you said, you also have Shaheen, Miguel, Jin, Bryan, maybe feng if you don't rely on his stances that much.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Pink anyone from the the good section from

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

DF2 is super punishable, totally a shit move
let me catch you on my Noctis i'll show you shit when I whiff punish your df1 with it

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

for his standing punishment to be effective you need to be able to at least do a 15 frame electric as a block punish, that is hard as fuck
this is true on paper but in practice you rarely block launch punishable moves outside of low ranks. opponents aren't going to throw out launch punishable standing moves if there's a chance you might block with any sort of consistency outside of low ranks with the exception of rage arts. the real launch punishable moves that are thrown out often are lows, which you would punish with the much easier while standing 1,2.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Fuck does he look cool. I want to move to him one day when I actually get good at the game.

RumChicken
RumChicken

i think he means it is shit in the way it was used in the webm. it was just thrown out and it got blocked.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

My favorite kind of character is high damage, read heavy, usually big body but not exclusively and has the ability to implement a fairly oppressive gameplan.

SniperWish
SniperWish

I don't know how high ranked you are but I see orange players do stupid shit all the time.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Thats the easy way out. The optimal is doing electric from WS for proper i15 ws punishes.

whereismyname
whereismyname

So far I like Feng, he seems like he has hard hitting pokes

I also like that he seems like he doesnt have a set playstyle so you can do a lot with him. I really like Laws moveset but I fucking hate how he sounds and the bruce lee shit is unappealing. Any advice user? Only thing I dislike about Feng is some of his moves arent as flashy as laws

whereismyname
whereismyname

What are hopkicks at -13
What is PEWGF
If you could manage to do one once against someone, preferably the first time they do a hopkick, thats a huge blow to moral.

Evilember
Evilember

That’s good to hear.
I got to green ranks fairly easily (not a big deal but it’s my first Tekken so small miracles) and then quit playing for awhile but now I want to come back. I have a hard time picking characters and coming back has been a nightmare where no one I practice is fun for more than a few days so I figured fuck it let’s just learn a Mishima and while DJ and bad grandpa are both probably better to learn Kazuya is just so fucking dope that I can’t help but pick him. His lore shit is great to where he’s just a giant asshole and yeah he’s kinda anime but not overly so like DJ or Jim. It’s weird but playing as a character that you just like makes games way more fun as opposed to trying to find your perfect fit for your playstyle.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Another big reason I want to learn kazuya. popping some hop kick happy shitsack with a PEWGF has to just be the best feeling in the game.

SniperGod
SniperGod

it is. be prepared to lose 1000+ matches because you fucked up your PEWGF though. shit, even kodee and choksae and knee have lost tournaments because they went for ch df2 pewgf instead of a normal combo.

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TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Yeah ok but when I do it I look cool and do a shit load of damage right?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

even if no one is watching you automatically become the coolest human within 100 light years if you land it. landing it in tournament the head of the UN will call you directly and congratulate you and give you a government issued wife of your from the miss universe contestants.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Exactly as I suspected.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

new
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Snarelure
Snarelure

Yes dont worry? By the way thats not how you use question marks?

MPmaster
MPmaster

Why is Lowhigh so bad in the clutch?

Emberburn
Emberburn

he takes advantage of Asuka cheapness in tourneys so he can beat better players
But Fergus' style hardly ever applies any of her cheapness. He mostly plays super compact and uses his character knowledge to punish his opponent. And even then, when's the last time he's beaten someone who was definitively better than him?

StonedTime
StonedTime

lack of experience?

idontknow
idontknow

see
and

Nojokur
Nojokur

lowhigh
lowFRAUD

TreeEater
TreeEater

Why is his hellsweep awful? Is it slower than the others?

Spamalot
Spamalot

That Hei was coming off his big nerfs from DR but he got direct and indirect upgrades in BR, hence why he's the 2nd worst Hei. He did not have a regular hopkick. You probably saw a guy launching with CH neutral hopkick.

Big DR nerfs:
No more b2, that meaty + on block tracking mid is now gone.
No more TP. The new df12 is now just a good 13f punish and bounding move from the best 13f punish by a mile and what allowed Hei to launch crouchers too. Also hurts his low parry because 6 was the last game low parry was a stagger instead of an auto bound like now
Still no meaty low like db2. Old db2 was just a lame ass poke like db3. FC df4 doesn't do the job being crappy in the open and you have to crouch in their face with Hei's WS and CD game not being that good.

But 6BR is when he got that dumbass f3 that I love to use

Emberfire
Emberfire

If you see him cancel he's plus on block, always.

Although you can just do a quick low and it will beat out every option unless he's super + on block.

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