If Muslims are against pagan worship and idolatry...

>Where does the magic cube come from?
Human build it

>What is it made of?
Rock

>What is inside of it?
There's a store room inside, they put a bunch of old stuff like armor, relic etc

>Will this questions be answered in our lifetimes?
Maybe

Same reason a bunch of christians and jews call a canaanite founded town in canaanite land their holy city.

>not honouring the spirits of your ancestors

>expecting a religion to be consistent

>islam
>logic

>why do christians celebrate christmas on the day the romans celebrated the sun
>what about the cult of cybele
We also have pagan elements, get over it.

Melchizedek, King of Salem, a demon worshiping depraved incestuous pedophile Canaanite.

kek

Or, you know, don't.

Why is green the color of islam?

Christians aren't actively destroying artifacts because of their pagan origins.

Mo's favorite color. Kind of wish it were pink.

Dumbass the muslims believe that the stone is from heaven And that it was white and it turned black because of the sins of the humans and inside the Kabaa there are no relics lmao there's nothing in there

By the way, out of the 360 pagan gods that the arabs worshiped in the kaaba, only 359 were removed.

Hubal, the pagan god of Mohammad's family, is still there.

Hubal is better known as Ba'al.

>Then a chosen person will decide the next holy site
>A chosen person
The last time you had to choose someone it ended in the shia-sunni divide and sectarian warfare that goes on to this day, in a modern setting with the internet and even more power interests then back then the muslims world trying to choose someone can only end in desaster.

nice source you god there.

Hubal

HaBaal in Hebrew

The Ba'al of the Moabites

Ibn Ishaq stated, "It is claimed that when ‘Abd al-Muttalib received such opposition from Quraysh over the digging of zamzam, he vowed that if ten sons were born to him who grew up and protected him, he would sacrifice one of them for God at the ka‘ba."

Eventually he had ten sons grown up whom he knew would give him protection. Their names were al-Harith, al-Zubayr, Hajl, Dirar, al-Muqawwim, Abu Lahab, al-‘Abbas, Hamza, Abu Talib, and ‘Abd Allah. He assembled them and told them of his vow and asked them to honour his pledge to God, Almighty and All-glorious is He. They obeyed, and asked him what he wanted them to do. He asked each of them to take an arrow, write his name on it and return to him.

They did so and went with them inside the ka‘bato the site of THEIR god HUBAL, where there was the well in which offerings to the ka‘ba would be placed. There, near Hubal, were seven arrows which they would use for divining a judgement over some matter of consequence, a question of blood-money, kinship, or the like. They would come to Hubal to seek a resolution, accepting whatever they were ordered to do or to refrain from." (The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya), Volume I, translated by professor Trevor Le Gassick, reviewed by Dr. Ahmed Fareed [Garnet Publishing Limited, 8 Southern Court, south Street Reading RG1 4QS, UK; The Center for Muslim Contribution to Civilization, 1998], pp. 125-126

>muslims
>better future

Hubal was the principle idol of the Quraysh.

Now what tribe did Muhammad belong to? You guessed it, the Quraysh.

Did Ibn Kathir say that the god of Muhammad’s family was Hubal? Yes he did.

Did Hitti claim that Hubal was the chief deity of the Kabah and also that Allah was the tribal (implying chief) deity of the Quraysh? You bet.

Can we therefore draw a valid inference from all of the above and conclude that Allah was the title or name of the chief Meccan deity, Hubal? Indeed we can. After all, you cannot have two chief gods, since chief means the head, the first, the premiere, the most prominent of the pantheon.

tl;dr If A=B, and B=C, then A=C

>Christians aren't actively destroying artifacts because of their pagan origins.

Christians aren't doing so at the moment because they succeeded in destroying those artifacts of pagan origin roughly some 1600 years ago.

It's not a religious requirement to celebrate Xmas, broseph.

What? Pagan temples, paintings, sculptures, etc. can be found all over Europe.

Breaking: religions are a bunch of made up bullshit traditions and fairy tales.

Thats a lot of Rubbish. Hubal wasn't even the chief God for fucks sake.

Among the gods worshiped by the Quraysh, the greatest was Hubal, this on the expert testimony of Ibn al-Kalbi: "The Quraysh had several idols in and around the Ka'ba. The greatest of these was Hubal. It was made, as I was told, of red agate, in the form of a man with the right hand broken off It came into the possession of the Quraysh in this condition, and they therefore made for it a hand of gold.... It stood inside the Ka'ba, and in front of it were seven divinatory arrows. On one of these was written the word "Pure," and on another "associated alien." Whenever the lineage of a new-born was doubted, they would offer a sacrifice to Hubal and then shuffle the arrows and throw them. If the arrows showed the word "Pure," the child would be declared legitimate and the tribe would accept him. If, however, the arrows showed "associated alien," the child would be declared illegitimate and would reject him. The third arrow had to do with divination concerning the dead, while the fourth was for divination about marriage. The purpose of the three remaining arrows has not been explained. Whenever they disagreed concerning something, or proposed to embark upon a journey, or undertake some other project, they would proceed to Hubal and shuffle the divinatory arrows before it. Whatever result they obtained they would follow and do accordingly. (Ibn al-Kalbi, Book of Idols 28-29 = Ibn al-Kalbi 1952: 23-24)

Look at the video

youtube.com/watch?v=I-MimunZijM

+1

Facts are a bitch, aren't they.

>Melchizedek

But Yahweh defeated/is Ba'al in the Hebrew bible

You just pinned on why ISIS and the other wahhabists wanna blow the thing up.

King of Salem; King of what would become Jerusalem, in the days of Abraham, and to whom Abraham paid a tithe:

Hebrews 7

For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

Not really. One prophet of God defeated 450 priests of Ba'al, and then had all their throats slit in the river. Oddly enough they let 400 priests of Ishtar leave/escape.

Ba'al being the devil is immortal, and will have to be confined forever.

Luckily there's a place for that.

Power struggles within Islam?

You don't say!

>nicholascage.jpeg

You I'm aware of the retrojecting of Hebrews and James

>IS destroys temple dedicated to Ba'al in Palmyra
>after this happened a great storm hit Medina and a crane fell killing over a hundred people in the Holy city
>Ba'al was a God of storms and lightning

Let's not meme ourselves here, Yahweh is clearly a composite of El (going so far as to adopt the name Elohim) and Ba'al.

Throughout Genesis he comes off as a Nomadic pastoral deity, hence favoring Abel.

No doubt many of the Psalms were meant for El and Ba'al being referred to as "rider on the clouds" and getting into fights with sea monsters which is obviously edited out of Genesis
>1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Clearly there was meant to be a battle with the "deep" like every Middle Eastern religion but Yahweh is meant to be supreme and all-powerful and creates the world just by his own will so no need for a battle.

There's a few Psalms were Yahweh is with other deities and he has discussions with them and asked them what they think and then in on he's one of the gods and he says, "You know, you guys don't know what you're doing. Let me take over." And he stands up in the council and takes over.

The Psalms obviously had very strong traditional power and so were adopted into Yahweh worship to keep continuity

Sounds shirk to me

>be Muhammad

That's Ali.

I don't have a fedora pic big enough for this.

Built by Abraham and his son. Foundations were already there. Idols were placed there by the Pagans as ignorance often leads to Shirk ( idolatry). First place of worship on earth.

"Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous."Quran

Muslims don't pray to the house but the lord of the house,

Cant tell if youre joking

which Psalms are you talking about?

Thank you brother

I wholeheartedly agree with this
The Sunni-Shia disputes may interfere, however the choices to choose from are very few, therefore they will most likely pick the same being Medina

Shirk is affiliating another being or thing with God himself. I didn't do this and fear to do it for this is the biggest sin Islam.

How may I prove my credibility?

We would if we were retardedly religious as our ancestors were.

>was a god of storm and lighting
Prepare to be hit in the head by a crane (unless you sacrifice 2 goats)

I don't know about such psalms. Doesn't sound legit or at the most based on a theory about interpretation. But please link so we can all learn.
YHBH was the Edomite god of war. One of the earliest dietis of the Israelites the one they worshiped the most in their tribal and nomadic violent stage.

Because building a religion on pagan foundations is a whole lot easier than starting from scratch

Since there are islamists here, are there any good podcasts about islam and arab history? Not done by religious or nationalistic arabs but by some history proffesor or the like.

I think what OP is getting at is muslims are destroying things because of their pagan ties, and yet they also pray in the direction of a pagan origin cube.

The ka'ba was built by Prophet Abraham, but the teaching somewhat faded away and the ka'ba was misused to make a place for worshipping pagan gods.

You don't know about the history don't you?

There are uzza and others in arab paganism. It's not about it at all, it is connected to the teaching of Abraham.

Are those after the prophecy revelation?

Not him, but is he wrong? Can you explain the shift?

Do you have any image?

Christians had been celebrating the birth of Christ on the 25th of December for about 200 years before the Feast of Solid Invictus was introduced

>Solid

wow, turns out religious beliefs aren't coherent and logical systems, who would have thought

>Solidus Invictus
Nice

Don't forget the calendar changes

Ba'al isn't a god, its just a title friendo. It means Lord.

The beauty of islam is that everything is retroactively part of it. It's like if a child wrote a bible.