/fhg/ - For Honor General

Are you that rep 7 warden? I swear I literally just dueled you

I'm rep 5, almost 6 at the moment. I do play duel a lot though, so you might have faced me at some point.

nani?

Law bringer is absolutely awful in 1v1s aside from turtling for shoves
Retards want him nerfed because of this and that he is decent at ganking, not the best though
He needs a rework, and I'm afraid that ubisoft is gonna listen to the crybabies and just fucking gut him into being shitty in every mode

How bad is the grind if I get the starter edition? Interested but I missed the sale.

how do I get gud at gladiator

zone

What are the best feats for winning with warden, vs feats that you use purely to have fun?

Shoulders and helmet paint look stupid, fix it

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Why isn't Cent's zone cancelable?

mains
in 2018

Each non-dlc hero would cost 8000 steel. You can get two thousand steel from doing both tutorials I think.
That plus the story mode might get you enough for two heroes or 1 dlc hero, maybe. Been a while so I don't remember the exact numbers.

From doing your daily orders you should get about 1000 steel.
Contract orders are a seperate set of six orders that resets every two days, aside from Friday I think where it refreshes after 24 hours.
Each contract order will get you about 100 steel each as well as a sizable chunk of experience.

So by playing for a couple hours each day you should be getting able to get at least one of the basic heroes a week.

Zones should not be fucking cancelable. It's complete cancer that some characters have god tier zones with essentially no punishes
PK zone is lightning fast and can cancel the slow as shit part for literally no risk
Glad zone is unpunishable if he cancels the punch as you dodge
We don't need more bullshit

53 and a half thousand steel and nothing to do with it

A'ight, so not too screwed, considering. I take it I do the champion status renewal thing in the pastebin guide even as I'm saving up?

Fighting against someone as Warden who can consistently parry your top light

Is my only option to get in trying to get a dodge shoulder/shoulder cancel in? Because that is punishable as fuck.

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what a handsome man

Almost dropped my cup.

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Champ status only gives extra exp, loot drops and some emblem designs I believe.
It's not too expensive but it means that you have to use the steel from one of your dailies to keep it going every three days instead of saving it up for a hero.

So if you take a shining to one of the heroes you are able to play and want to level them up slightly faster at the cost of recruiting the other heroes more slowly, go for it.

But extra gear probably won't be useful to you early on. Meaning the champ status would probably solely be used to help you level up faster.

Posting a couple webms from tonight

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Disregard this shit, Uplay is having a sale on it for like 60% off. Guess I'll just get the Gold Edition and save myself a bunch of grinding.

just do a heavy overhead and cancel it, then you can use your top light parry to punish their parry. It's another option for you to use to get enemies to open up and try not to forget faints in general.

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feint to GB actually working for you
Witchcraft. It's been so inconsistent since season 5 dropped I assumed they stealth nerfed it.

Sorry
Sorry
Sorry
As he KEEPS RUNNING

Carry goes a small distance no matter what, and I thought he'd hit the wall

Did they do something to that? I feel like I can never get the guard break because I just bounce off of their heavies. I used to do it all the time.

Whats Swifthawks problem with you and your team

I do that, but no one half decent falls for warden feints because his heavies are not threatening at all.

LOWTIER GOD
Gifs are weird. Does anyone know how to make one in 30fps?
I've just been using an online converter since im a pleb

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I hope you get into the game user.

If I can give some advice, you might want to cut your teeth in duel. Most people seem to enjoy 4v4s more, myself included, but duels are a more controlled environment where it's easier to get a grasp of the combat system, what each character is capable of and the timings of their moveset.
After that you'll have an easier time learning how to defend against ganks, how to contribute to ganks effectively and the other things that 4v4 requires.

Do you have a specific character in mind that want to try out? I can try and give a quick rundown of them if I play them and if I don't I'm sure someone else will be able too.

Just a little mad conqueror.

Is that you Kirk?

telling a new player to start in duel
Criminey, give the poor guy a chance. I'm not one of those anti-duel autists but its definitely not the environment for new players

I started with duel. I feel like getting gangbanged in Dominion is a much more soul crushing experience than losing in a duel is to a new player.

plays a viking
is ashamed of ledges

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Yeh

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Nah, I think new players legitimately should.
The smaller lobby size should allow for better matchmaking. Maybe.

Anyway, I'd say a lot of the veterans who have been playing since day one started with mostly playing duels. Back before we realized the inherit flaws it has.
It should still be easier to build up muscle memory for punishes and things like that in a controlled environment like duel.

That's so bad it's good.

It's too early to say who I'll actually get into significantly, I like the look of a lot of them, if I had to choose though? Nobushi, Lawbringer, Berserker, Aramusha

We played a few games yesterday I think.
Either that or the day before.

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Oh my god. FUCK YOU DUDE! You're too good.

Remember me eddie

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I know its not what you asked for but it was the first thing that came to my mind
I'll try this but it would take alot of redrawing and if I can't do a passable take at it I'll abandon it
Now this is the affirmation I crave baby

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Play them all user.

a lawbringer whips my ass in duel
try him out myself
he's shit
huh

LB is an auto lose against a competent player piloting a hero with any form of deflect
If they're playing someone that cant punish shove though then you have a decent chance

I would avoid Aramusha at the very least. He's in a really bad spot, and teaches you a bunch of bad habits that you won't get away with on other characters.

Average Knight Redditor.

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Nah, I still get games where I get absolutely destroyed.
And there were a few games where we were on the same team. We coordinated pretty decently if I remember right.
You're at least one of the names that I recognize enough to know that, if we're on the same team, you'll probably watch my back in a teamfight.

false-flagging as a weeb
Typical knigger.

fucking disgusting

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Whoever coined 'knigger' deserves a medal.

Same. I remember getting fucked by you initially, and then we got paired up on the same team as two Lawbringers. Shit was so fun. Lawbringers gotta stick together in those teamfights.

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I disagree. I feel like duel now more than ever is literally no fun allowed with people abusing anything they can for a win. Earlier I played against a Warlord who did nothing but spend every round trying to 50/50 me by running over and switching between a guard break and his charge bash. After that a Conq who did nothing but confirmed hits. Duels are simply not fun, even if you know how the game works

Oh an anecdote fight is it?
I feel like duel now more than ever is literally all fun with people only playing low tier heroes. Earlier I played against a Valk who did nothing but clever mix ups, using sweeps her charge bash. After that an Orochi who did nothing but side lights. Duels are simply fun, especially if you know how the game works

making a spinning webm instead of a front and back picture
Holy fuck why hasn't this been the norm it looks so much better

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Yup.
Hit me up if you ever want to group up.
I'm done playing for tonight but I'm not opposed to playing with people from around here if they want in the future.

Can't have autistic poses taken at perfect moment I guess.
I remember when I tried playing valk or doing side lights as Orochi.
Ended up eating alot of guardbreaks and heavies after getting parried.

It's really not anecdotal though. Duel is and has been almost entirely people abusing whatever they can for a win. Unless you play duel against a brand new player, they're going to be someone who will do nothing but 100% safe moves

Definitely noted. I'm done for today as well, but I'll send you a friend request.

You say that but people acting like cunts isn't exclusive to duels. Everyones been 4stacked in dominion atleast once
I play almost exclusively duels and I still have fun with it. Theres so few enough people who are absolute tryhards that I can recognize them on sight
That one LB with the nazi emblem, that rep 50 warlord, pokeball guy goes from fun to disgusting depending on the day
Being a good sport and playing semi competitively is not mutually exclusive

Ranked is another story though. Fuck ranked

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Duels are simply not fun, even if you know how the game works
But that's the thing, he would hopefully be matched against people who for the most part don't know how the game works yet and are learning just like him.
You're not wrong that some people just sap the fun out of duels though. Keep-away players and other cheese has ruined the mode for a lot of players.

everyone finally loads in
good times are about to be had
server shits itself
fourth time in a row
Fix your fucking garbage, Ubisoft.

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Holy fuck why hasn't this been the norm it looks so much better
Because most people don't know how to record and make webms, even on Veeky Forums. I don't blame them, it's way more effort than just pressing a button and then dragging said picture to the window.

Make that 5 times in a row now. Apparently the servers are shitting themselves completely.

Weeee

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why does everyone have server issues except me

Maybe you're just having better luck matchmaking than I am, but I find that duels are almost the complete opposite for me. The vast majority of the people I play against are just trying to cheese for a win and are obsessed with their win/loss ratio, usually quitting if you manage to beat them while they turtle every round.
Every now and then I find an actual good fight with someone who doesn't just stare at me and wait to parry something, but more often than not it's just going to be a Warlord camping a ledge and desperately trying to land a GB, or a PK/Glad spamming the ever loving shit out of their zone, not even taking a risk with light attacks because why would they?

Because that's too much work for my lazy ass

This is where the anecdote comes in. I'm only rep 66 after 800 hours because I almost only play duels
I'd say tryhards are 1 in about 20 games. Maybe your bad luck is just the hours you play at? Dead o' clock would probably have more autists than normal hours

PK player on my team spamming zone cancel every fucking fight they get in
Constantly staggering and interrupting me when I had a guaranteed kill because they spam their wide hitting zone over and over
Because they got in every fight they have the most kills
They're nonstop trash talking the enemy team
Everyone rematches
Enemy is doing better this round, they're holding two of the three points
As soon as it looks like we might lose the PK quits
Nothing is more embarrassing than some faggot talking shit and then quitting to avoid taking a loss

Highlander
Has great mixup
Can crushing counter in every direction with his lights
His lights confirm the kick, which in turn confirms a heavy, making you eat about 50 guaranteed damage from getting hit with a light
Hyper armor that ensures he lands his attack even if you try to stuff it with a light

Do these baguette niggers even test the shit they implement?

They tried to protect us user. They nerfed his stamina, his damage and his tracking
But no. Your hubris did this. You wanted to see his true potential but you weren't ready

It's anecdotal both ways. You have your experience, and I have mine. I've played at peak hours on duel plenty of times for the duel orders, and most of the time it's been an unpleasant grind of people playing crutch characters insisting that they're actually low tier

The swamp beckons.

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That weapon
Ouch!

I can't believe this game doesn't have the archetypal knight with the sword and shield combo. Instead, that weapon combination was given to some snownigger.

Really boggles the mind.

I still can't believe BOTH dlc knights were made into roman gladiators.

Fuck you. Romans are way cooler than generic armor man

Except both Cent and Glad basically have the same design. They were both made to look like roman gladiators, just with different outfits. It's pretty gay that each faction got warriors that made sense, and then knights just got romans because fuck you, why not?

That's the real kicker. Samurai get heroes that fit the aesthetic and time period of the faction.

Highlander works for Vikings because of Gaelo-Norse and real Viking activities. Shaman is shit and out of place though.

But knights? Knights get characters from an entirely different time period and civilization. And on top of this but characters are the same fucking thing, gladiators.

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His lights confirm the kick
What?

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Except they are not fucking knights. Every other season pass character, with the exception of the celtic beefcake, is consistent with their faction theme.

Viking
Highlander
Makes Sense
?????

what is dublin
what is the kingdom of the isles
what is gallo-norse

Forget how to parry entirely overnight
Sleep does weaken you.

Hitstun from the light makes it impossible (or very near to impossible) to dodge the kick in time.

Somebody post that warlord pic please. You know the one.

Surely he won't top light again
Go to make a move
He top lights

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Couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel

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You need to get the right file-size, most likely get the right cropping on it as well. Most people are too lazy to do those things, which I don't blame them for.

Makes sense, guard switch delay does makes 600ms stuff guaranteed to 700ms kick could be hard to dodge I guess.

Highlander
Dublin
????

That satisfying metallic clang when you crushing counter a top attack as Warden

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Haven't played since Shinobi and whoever the fuck were released, how are Nobushi and Berserker in this meta?

And why is the Shaman such cancer?

Point out that someone is only winning because their crutch character is carrying them
LMAO YOU MAD, YOU'RE JUST BAD
No matter what though they won't switch from Conq, Zerk, PK, Shaman, or Highlander
I really hope the devs come to their fucking senses. Making every character OP is not good for this game

I don't feel like a nordaboo when I play warlord because I'm a blonde Irish man from Dublin. I surely have some Viking blood. I'm just honoring my heritage.

Highlanders were from Scotland tho. Dunno what kind of connection this guy is trying to make between Dublin, Vikings and Highlanders. Though to be fair, they really should have called Highlander "Gallowglass" which would make more sense, and also help that user look like he has a valid point

But user! If everyone is broken then no one is broken! I mean the meta is completely broken and nonsensical, but at least everything is as shit and unfun as the next thing :D

BROserker is absolutely bonkers right now. If not sharing the throne of cancer with Shaman, then at the very least a very close second.

I'd rather have every character be broken than only a select few.

I can imagine as anyone else besides conq I can imagine that zerker is the absolute fucking worst

Thankfully, conq's zone takes a curly shit on every aspect of zerk's kit

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I'm just honoring my heritage.
As someone with aspergers do inform me.
Why? Why do you feel like honoring something that is entirely out of your control and was simply happened out of coincidence. It's the same thing as patriotism, I truly do not understand the concept of being patriotic towards something that was just happenstance and out of your control.

How is beserker so good at feinting?

Is Valkyrie okay?

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Conq and Berserker are both fucking terrible. Absolutely no punishes for any of the shit they do.

Dodge bash.
Get free gb.

400ms lights and HA

Can't Conq light attack almost immediately after whiffing the bash? I know that I've eaten a light from a conq when trying to GB punish a missed bash.

They know!

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dodge attack bash
get more damage than the conq would have
also makes you GB immune and avoids the mix up

conq has more losing and roughly even match ups than winning ones. his winning match ups are so incredibly lopsided and frustrating for the loser that he gets a higher tier placement than he deserves imo

Tis merely a flesh wound.

Autism. Still appreciated nonetheless.

Can conq cancel the bash? If so, couldn't he set up similar parry traps for dodge attackers that warden can with his shoulder?

Doesn't cancels his recovery.
You need to have good dodges though, so heroes like Law or Goki can't do it. I've grabbed Conq's after their failed bashes ass WL though.

If it's any thing conq's bash works exactly like WL, except it can be done from any direction and he also has superior block on his dashes.
Also don't input the bash by just pressing Dash-Bash. You can delay your bash all the way to 400ms. So if done properly other guy only has 300ms at best to react, and thanks to no lag comp it's hard to do.

not him but he can't as far as i know
he can only cancel heavies into bashes or all block.

to be honest with you user. i usually like to play characters in games that i can relate to somehow. thats really all it is

can he cancel the bash the way shaman or warden can? no. once you've inputted the GB button during your dash animation, the bash has been committed to

it depends on what you believe about life. native europeans and pagans did believe that to some extent you ancestors lived through you when they died and so being loyal to tradition and tribes were very important to them. it's where a lot of sayings like honoring your ancestors originate from and things like that. I don't think many people feel this way in modern europe however as these beliefs were pushed in to a very small minority under christian influence in europe over the past 1000 years. patriotism is not too dissimilar from this ancient form of tribalism if you simplify it. instead of belonging to a small tribe and honoring the elders who have passed away, the entire nation is your tribe and you should want the best for them etc.
again, this is another simple way of looking at what I said above.

again, this is another simple way of looking at what I said above

so youre asking me why i like to play characters i relate to?

Tfw the Conq buff was the greatest thing to happen to me as a cuck Orochi main

my.mixtape.moe/vsbayr.webm

no, I'm saying that playing characters you can relate to is a very simple way of putting that giant wall of text I wrote

ledging someone with a roach throw
Impossible. This can't be real.

It's fun

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Most people forget storm rush cancel is a thing.

Nothing beats the feeling of faceing off against a warlord or raider on some tiny ass little bridge and baiting them like that.

Is that a real emote? I might start playing PK.

it has nothing to do with patriotism or anything. its more simple and personal than that really. it helps me to internalise my successes and failures in the game.

i've thought about recently, specifically when kingdom come deliverance released, and i've realised that my favourite games have always been RPGs. i started PC gaming in 1997 and fallout and baldurs gate were the games that started me off. at the time they were difficult of course, but as ive gotten older and learned more about gaming, ive come to find RPGs and all other single player games fairly easy.

so, the problem with playing non competitive, single player games, which arent challenging, is this: how do you take pride in what youre doing? why should you care about your accomplishments when they werent hard to accomplish and dont have any effect on you? its simple. you create a character through which YOU can experience the events of the game vicariously.

that mindset for me has translated into other types of games i play, as much as makes sense. i mean im not going to pick a white blonde european in tekken or street fighter because the characters in those games are extensions of your hands and your mind and you express yourself through skill pure skill and competition. but in a game like FH where the characters are pretty much blank slates besides their class name, then why not try get yourself more invested by picking and customising a character you feel some affinity with?

yea

Ledge baiting is the best thing

my.mixtape.moe/wyessf.webm

this was for you

as a conq main i actually feel like high level roaches fuck conq's shit up. since they nerfed out conq's ability to dodge guard on reaction it means i have to bring the fight to the roach, and the only way conq can do that is with bashing. and your riptide slash and anime rush cancels shit all over that

absolutely, it's one of the reasons I love playing table top rpgs so much. being able to create a relatable character through culture or personality makes the experience of playing the game more engaging. it doesn't always have to be reality pouring itself in to fantasy either. I remember back when I played wow people would get really invested in particular factions or races because they felt some sort of connection to them beyond game mechanics

As long as I have space I can reliably beat a Conq, but if you get stuck on a shit map or locked into a corner you are fucked.

felt some sort of connection to them beyond game mechanics

i really feel like a lot of devs dont appreciate the effect this has on a game. i have nearly a thousand hours in for honour to this point and i really feel like if my main didnt exist, i'd have played one tenth that much.

S H U G G E D

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EU hours

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getting hit by a 600ms light
lmao

I've never seen so many samurai faction members at one time. I feel like 90% of my games are predominately filled with knights.

i feel like they need to give conq back his dodge guarding and fast shield feinting and shield feinting options back to make his defending more active and his offense less braindead

but they absolutely have to nerf his corner pressure. as a conq player i feel like its ridiculous. i also feel like conq is so shitty and one dimensional that i just have to take those wins now. but yeah its literally impossible to escape conq's corner pressure in the current state of the game. if he gets you OOS in the corner youre dead. no ifs or buts. youre absolutely fucked.

getting bashed into the corner by a conq should squeeze you out. it still ought to guarantee a light, but it should also move you enough that youre not still stuck in the corner would your asshole spread

he thinks european medieval knights were the only people to ever use sword+board
typical knigger

you fuck we fought before
you whopped my bum

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I beleive there was a stat floating around showing that Amerifats all pick Knights, Western Europoors pick Samurai and Eastern Europoors pick Vikings.

So I guess it depends where you live

i know your pain. they should have developed this guy into a character and deleted PK. knights having an "assassin" is trash and PK especially is hyper trash

knights on release should have been

Conq but with a hammer - vanguard
Law - heavy
Pic related - hybrid
Warden - hybrid

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Well I'm American and from what earlier post said, he's probably playing with Europeans so I guess that fits then.

She's had worse.

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I think you need to look up what the term "archetypal" means. Of course other people used them as well, but if you ask someone on the street to imagine a warrior with a sword and a shield, easily 90+% will tell you they imagine a knight.

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What's the point of this

previously existing cancer envelops newer cancer

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Ree, delete this. Shaman is OP bullshit, the bottom right one is wrong! You absolutely cannot dodge her bashes when bleeding! Even if she misses her second one is guaranteed!

What's the point of anything

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The season pass characters for knights should have been Templar (sword+shield) and Friar (quarterstaff)

quarterstaff
not lances and sidearm

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Using a weapon that is designed to be used on horseback on foot

fuck off jeanu fag

Pikes then.
But I'm not him tho

Using a metre and a half long weapon designed for use in formation as a mobile weapon on your own

you really are retarded.

using a pike outside of formation and vs infantry instead of cavalry

you fucking weapon. also you might not be the jeannu fag, but youre definitely one of them

I wonder if they will ever make an archer type character with similar mechanics to shinobi, his long range heavies are essentialy projectiles.

Using a weapon this long outside of formations

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no u

It's better than a 1 meter fuckstick that aren't remotely related to knights.

Why is there no solo queue, I am sick and tired of suffering god awful team mates as i'm forced to go up against try hard clans of faggots

Unrealistically. I'd actually like a Knight with Minature crossbow/hand crossbow as part of his default moveset.
Would require manual reloads, deals more melee damage if all the bolts are in in crossbow, can also fire all 3 bolts at once.

you fucking weapon
not be the jeannu fag, but youre definitely one of them
You might wanna repost that when you catch your breath.

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If we got ranged weapons, I genuinely think it's gonna be more difficult to balance because it changes the game too much when we have to deal with finding cover or balancing damage/speed. It's most likely never coming to fruition, pirates and aztec warriors are more likely than ranged fighters.

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Friars are at least period appropriate, and a quarterstaff could potentially offer something else than just being another stabby stick.

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I can't wait to play a fat, bald old man with a beer belly wielding a child beating stick
I'm certain they will have a difficult time convincing the populace that they fit in the knights faction. Let alone convince their bosses that it's a dlc character that sells.

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You do realize that the character would not have to look like that, right? They could take creative liberties, like they have with literally everything else in the game.

The one thing more OP than shaman kills shaman
Daaamn

You just described Shugoki with that greentext

Shug is not bald

He has a topknot that isn't that big, meaning he doesn't have a rich mane either.

pk
op
She's annoying to fight but she's not even close to as powerful as a not retarded shaman is

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Nigger PK has zero trouble with Shaman

still the fastest zone in the game
not op
I bet youre one of those kensei apologist

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How would you redesign it to make it appealing to players and not lose your job when you get shut down by unpopularity?

Reminder that PK has a higher win-rate than shaman and even edged out a win against her personally in PK/Sham matchups

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Something like this. Leprosy optional, of course.

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I want to violently fuck a Nobushi in the ass

Vikings actually had control of the north of Scotland for round 800 years. Granted the lands they held stopped short of the actual highlands but it isnt completely baseless.

how are shinobi and law up there? I thought theyre horrible in duels

Leprosy option
tfw no Leper hero

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Playing style? Hero specifics? The first thing they think of when making a hero is how they fight and how it can all mingle well in the game.

Law had the HP advantage & shove-on-block to be an alpha-turtle and out-patience people.

Shinobi does poorly against the top three but gets bolstered by the rest. That 70% winrate against autistic warden mains in particular probably gives him a sizeable boost.

a bad shaman*
muh zone
Kensei is kinda fun but he feels scummy to play
winrates determine which character is better
People actually fucking believe this holy shit

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Valk, Cent and Orochi are next for reworks, calling it.

he has trouble with kensei

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muh feelies are more important than the only objective data we've got
I hope I'm being rused.

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It's a lot more credible than some random user attempting self-validation of Veeky Forums

Most if not all people do

But the Vikings were not even remotely associated with that kind of "highlander"

There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest guy around?! Oh my God.

I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little kensei is honest post and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a Veeky Forums pass, so you just choose the picture. Oh, and we all know the picture. The "epic" centurio, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on Veeky Forums posting about a fantasy samurai. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic shitposting NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "KENSEI IS HONEST" You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.

Parries and connecting heavies can be followed with sweeps. Side sweeps knock down (due to sweeping the opponents legs from under them) and top sweep dazes (due to bonking the opponent in the head with a length of hardwood). Increased guardbreak distance but slower startup due to the character using the staff to tap the opponent in the gut, and throws from guardbreak cause knockdown.

So the basic gist would be controlling your opponent through knocking them about.

What is wrong with shaman other than she has a bloated kit and her bite is too strong?

glowing in the dark
it's 8am on the east coast
the sun is shining through the windows

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Is that not enough?

hownew.ru

using inappropriate pasta
You think you're hot shit for having a meme textfile?
You didn't cross your ts boy.

Shes pretty balanced now actually. All her attacks are fairly weak 15-20 damage and her unblockable mixup is negated by a simple back dash

Her ledging ability is stronger than warlards'

I think she's ok other than the reward for landing her dash while bleeding and her animations not matching the speed of her attacks properly.

Not really. Bloated kit doesn't really equates to a good one. Look at Shinobi and so many of his dumb moves are useless.

Valid complain. They should simply reduce her throw distance and the bash should be used as a way to increase it to it's current level. It wallsplats anyway.

Her unblockable feint(s).

Bloated kit doesn't really equates to a good one.
Well in her case it does

Granted that is true. Her kit is bloated with decent moves, but does she actually has some "Bullshit" win move like Peacekeeper's zone, Gladiator Zone, Conqueror Zone?
I am not 100% defending Shaman, she does needs number tweaks, but is she really a unbeatable bullshit that most people make her out to be?

how about a free bite after every guard break?

Situational. She needs to grab you while you are bleeding, and you can't simply parry someone and grab them anymore.

Just don't get guardbroken, brah! Even though she can feint into guardbreak mid-jump, just don't get guardbroken!

mid weird teleporting jump

She can literally feint her leap. That makes no sense. She can softfeint every heavy into a omnidirectional bleed stab.Her Jump heavies are crazy fast and can be feinted into something else as well. The only thing Shaman has to commit to are her lights that feel like they are 200ms fast. It's just stupid.

oh yeah just dont bleed nice tip
its not like she can soft feint EVERY attack into a bleed from a different direction or dont attack since she can also deflect into bleed

I take it you guys never actually tried playing Shaman, and learn her moveset?
She can only soft feint her starter heavy into bleed, and end chains with bleed. The top one is 400, side one is 500ms. I guess Aramusha is overpowered to because of his deadly feint follow same rules.
Her jump attacks are only fast from a single direction, that is left or her right. Top, Right are slower. We have proper frame data on heroes, them feeling too fast could simply be attributed to lack of lag comp, lack of experience fighting against her.
As for feinting, she can only do it on her forward/backward dashes. There was another user who said she actually puts down her weapon if she's gonna bash or holds them in hand if she does attack, I looked and he was right. Granted those feint are strong, but not really unbeatable since these are hard feints.

Anyways, You anons actually managed to change my thinking a bit . Her bash feint can be strong offense simply because she can soft feint her bash into heavy which she can again hard feint and could catch people off guard.

You’re arguing with /fhg/, aka warden and lawbringer power hour(low tier heroes in duel fries your sense of looking at things), don’t expect any clear headed responses after what you just said.

Aramusha does not follow the same rules, he can only feint a heavy from the same direction as his last attack, always has to follow side with top, top with side, and can't feint the openers. the problem with the dashes isn't because of the speed, it's because the animation and the speed don't match, it's completely counter intuitive which makes it 10x harder to deal with.