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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

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= NEWS =
youtube.com/embed/mXCZ0mnapMw
Patch 1.10
avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2017/12/13/tekken-7-version-110-input-lag-reduction-patch-out-now.html
Tekken 7 Confirmed for EVO Sunday Spot
avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2018/2/6/tekken-7-returns-to-evo-this-year-in-the-sunday-arena.html
Tekken World Tour 2018 Announced
tekkenworldtour.com/
Patch 1.12
avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2018/3/19/tekken-7-version-112-update-adds-noctis-compatibility-nvidia.html

= BASIC INFORMATION =
Notation
tekkenzaibatsu.com/legend.php
Fergus' character overviews
docs.google.com/document/d/1yqgxbES6su4clpQou2hzlZN40rpPBtwmMRKWfexbj3g/
Frame data for every character
rbnorway.org/t7-frame-data/
Top 15 moves for all characters
drunkardshade.com/2017/05/27/tekken-7-top-15-moves-for-all-characters/
/tekgen/ T7 Character Information Compilation (wip)
docs.google.com/document/d/139rPKrNc0nYHm2SmEa9Wy6LE7ps_2C0akOD4BQrmN2Q

= TUTORIAL VIDEOS FOR NEW PLAYERS =
How to Approach 3D Fighting Games
youtu.be/p7Ar-RctqyU
Korean Backdash Cancel (KBD)
youtu.be/gLp3Y0PdV94
shoryuken.com/2017/02/17/this-is-the-year-you-will-learn-how-to-perform-tekkens-korean-backdash/
Button Buffering
youtu.be/38iJWsjc_w8
Options at the wall
youtu.be/2SW7kCmA23o
How to get off the ground
youtu.be/j-PDc20Jezg
youtu.be/11oZkTYI6Rs
Low parrying
youtu.be/SF2wBESs01U
Oki/Tech Trap
youtu.be/LYqbvQljTw0
Throw Breaking
youtu.be/m4em9HzrwFI
Wavedash
youtu.be/xMtFCy8LreM
Wavedash/Backdash on pad
youtu.be/fU5Ji23k4LU
Combo video playlist for each character
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDzNGonyeoUtBqYuqku0QqNwk2mcSlV_n

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avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2018/2/6/tekken-7-returns-to-evo-this-year-in-the-sunday-arena.html
tekkenworldtour.com/
avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2018/3/19/tekken-7-version-112-update-adds-noctis-compatibility-nvidia.html
tekkenzaibatsu.com/legend.php
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rbnorway.org/t7-frame-data/
drunkardshade.com/2017/05/27/tekken-7-top-15-moves-for-all-characters/
docs.google.com/document/d/139rPKrNc0nYHm2SmEa9Wy6LE7ps_2C0akOD4BQrmN2Q
youtu.be/p7Ar-RctqyU
youtu.be/gLp3Y0PdV94
shoryuken.com/2017/02/17/this-is-the-year-you-will-learn-how-to-perform-tekkens-korean-backdash/
youtu.be/38iJWsjc_w8
youtu.be/2SW7kCmA23o
youtu.be/j-PDc20Jezg
youtu.be/11oZkTYI6Rs
youtu.be/SF2wBESs01U
youtu.be/LYqbvQljTw0
youtu.be/m4em9HzrwFI
youtu.be/xMtFCy8LreM
youtu.be/fU5Ji23k4LU
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDzNGonyeoUtBqYuqku0QqNwk2mcSlV_n
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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I love Alisa!

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viagrandad
viagrandad

why does noctis wear only one glove and on his non sword hand?

Emberburn
Emberburn

veekyforums.com/thread/209832936/video-games
How are they difficult?

whereismyname
whereismyname

what the fuck do I do to counter noctis spam

Booteefool
Booteefool

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

youtube.com/watch?v=CVHvoz91A3Y

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

The command you need is actually n,b,n,f and it's easy to do it too fast and skip one of the neutrals or to miss the b input due to socd cleaning if you're holding f before doing the move.

MPmaster
MPmaster

I sort of see what you mean. I play on keyboard and found the rhythm pretty easily though.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Man, Eddies are such easy wins. They know maybe like three to five moves and they refuse to play any character they can't cheese with

Inmate
Inmate

low rank eddies*

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

How can an input have a neutral at the beginning, fil?

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Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

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RavySnake
RavySnake

You still should have written it as b,n,f and not as n,b,n,f

Skullbone
Skullbone

But b,n,f doesn't work if there's no neutral before it unlike f,f+2 for example.

Soft_member
Soft_member

I leave against king because I refuse to learn how to disrupt command grabs

RavySnake
RavySnake

based tmm

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

youtube.com/watch?v=sbjW6f5CeCI

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Does yoshimitsu get any way to force a 50/50 that doesn't rely on trickery or your opponent being unfamilliar with the matchup? I can't get through a good turtle at all.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Yeah it's called frame advantage

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

He doesn't have very good +OB moves though, so if you can't hit them in the first place you can't mix them up either. This makes it really easy for an opponent to sit on a lifelead against yoshi.

Techpill
Techpill

Have you tried doing a low in the neutral

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

What a baby. You need to re-evaluate yourself.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Duh. But it's tough making a comeback with only lowpokes and d/f1. His higher reward lows are all very risky in one way or the other.

Flameblow
Flameblow

I could beat you in a fight IRL bitch
fists only coward

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

*chainthrows you IRL*

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I dont think there are high reward lows that are safe in the entire game.
Anyways has the thought of watching good yomen play come to you? Because it's a good thought

takes2long
takes2long

*RDC's you*

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Yeah but most good Yomen take huge risks or rely on crazy tricky stuff to open their opponent up. That isn't my style at all, I prefer to just poke away and Yoshimitsu's pokes seem average. Maybe I should just stick to differend characters.

RavySnake
RavySnake

*presses 1+2*

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

If you don't want to do crazy things Yoshi is not for you

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

What if bear twin pistons was hit confirmable?

TechHater
TechHater

Guess I should've known. Thanks for the feedback anyway. I'll still play him a bit for fun but won't pick him in tourneys anymore. Should just stick to what I'm best at, and play characters that reward me for playing as such.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I prefer to just poke away
I thought you wanted to do 50/50s
Yoshimitsu's pokes seem average
Yoshimitsu's pokes are good though

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Don't listen to that idiot. Yoshimitsu has a very solid toolset of pokes, has above average punishment, a great df2, and excellent oki.
Both you and that guy dont know shit about the character and just follow hearsay

5mileys
5mileys

Yoshi's pokes are good but don't seem like anything special. I'd rather play a character centered around having really good pokes.

girlDog
girlDog

If a 13 frame mid poke that has a CH launcher extension isn't a good poke I don't know what is. Stop theoryboaring

askme
askme

follow hearsay
No, speak from my own experience. It might not be accurate but it's how he felt compared to other characters I've played a lot of.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Or maybe you're bad and shouldnt blame the character
Your experience doesn't change the fact that yoshi is extremely versatile and has a great allround movelist.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I thought you wanted to force 50/50s, not do pokes.
Either way Yoshi does both very well

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

how to practice with an arcade stick? I can't move at all, I'm a fucking stone when I try to move or dash.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Why are you talking like Yoshi has some God tier poking game? He's good but not amazing and very much outclassed by other poke centric characters. The guy doesn't seem to like funky stances, unblockables, and Oki traps like sword spin so that seems pretty clear he doesn't like Yoshi at his core. He probably would be way better off picking Kazumi if what he values is a purely poke centric gameplan.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Do you have an actual arcade stick or the shitty mini knockoffs?

Illusionz
Illusionz

Do tell me how he forces 50/50s so well?

girlDog
girlDog

an actual one

farquit
farquit

Link the post where I said he has "god tier poking game".
oki, after a punish, crouching in the neutral to force a mixup with his low launcher

WebTool
WebTool

Start by practicing KBD and trying to sidestep stuff in practice mode. It'll take you a while before you're comfortable with it.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Alright good, it'll make you enough money to maybe get a hitbox

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

oki
True, but I'll need to get the knockdown first which I struggle to do when behind
after a punish
This goes for almost any character, and someone that's turtling properly won't do an unsafe move at a lifelead, there's no point to it
crouching in the neutral
I keep on getting hit out of that. I think people don't fear it enough like they do with Shaheen for example.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Thanks, what where the imputs of KBD? b,d/b,b?
actually nevermind, I will find a video.

I don't think so, it's kinda old and I'm going to mod it soon, and I'm more interested on Mixbox than Hitbox.

takes2long
takes2long

Link the post where I said he has "god tier poking game".
I didn't say you said that, I said you are talking like that's the case. Why are some Yoshi mains so insecure? This isn't the first time where someone insinuated that Yoshi may not be the best in a facet and a defense force rolls out to say "UM ACTUALLY YOSHI CAN DO EVERYTHING AT A TOP LEVEL". Yoshi clearly doesn't suit this guy's playstyle so just let him play someone else.

FastChef
FastChef

True, but I'll need to get the knockdown first which I struggle to do when behind
He's got a good set of lows and mids, and stances with good mixups, you don't need much else for a comeback
This goes for almost any character
But not every character has an unseeable low launcher for the mixup
I keep on getting hit out of that. I think people don't fear it enough like they do with Shaheen for example.
Assuming that's true out of low ranks, what makes you think people fear Shaheen crouched more than Yoshimitsu crouched?

DeathDog
DeathDog

"why are you talking like yoshi has some god tier poking game"
saying a character has solid tools is now "talking like they're god tier"
Stop strawmanning any time

Emberburn
Emberburn

When I played shaheen in yellows people respected me crouching in the neutral. When I played yoshimitsu in yellows they instantly hopkicked at the sight of it.

idontknow
idontknow

You didn't answer my question so I'll repeat it. Read it this time.
What makes you think people fear Shaheen crouched more than Yoshimitsu crouched?

Illusionz
Illusionz

I'm pretty sure it's the range

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

In my experience they did fear it more. Maybe it's just because they were unfamilliar but whenever I tried to do it they retaliated by mashing (not that it always worked in their favor, but it still what they did)

King_Martha
King_Martha

Eat my ass you aren't reading the posts of the other guy. He said he wants a strong poke game and you keep bringing up other shit about Yoshi. If the guy wants a character heavily focused on pokes then he should play a different fucking character.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Actually he started the conversation saying he wanted 50/50s

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

It's because of his scary picnic blanket hat. He might have a bomb unblockable.

Inmate
Inmate

I'm loving to play as nocti2222222

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Both FC mixups only really work up close. If Shaheen can only hit you with slide then there's no reason not to crouch block.
still going with the anectodes
Hey nobody crouched when I wavedashed with Devil Jin, I guess his mixup is fucking trash

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

wtf people mash my kazuya when I crouchdash this character has shit 50/50

Snarelure
Snarelure

they're still talking to him
For fucks sake people, if someone is too dumb to do crouch into stand-block and punish the hopkicks then they dont deserve attention, stop fucking talking to that idiot

Flameblow
Flameblow

in yellows
conversation should have ended here

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

shaheen's range on either his ws elbow or his hopkick is still longer than yoshi's mixup range

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