What are some examples of libertarian societies in history besides the United States? (i.e. free markets...

>SEA countries developing without heavy interventionist states

Neither is the USA.

Literally none.
And the US doesn't count either.
You won't find a single society that functions on right-libertarianism's views of capitalism, since it is utopian as fuck and is impossible/self-destructive to achieve.

Why are Keynesians so smug?

Not at all what anarchists want. It's a lot closer to what "anarcho"-capitalists want.

The US is not and has never been libertarian. The Constitution was created specifically to make the federal government stronger because it was so lacking under the Articles of Confederation.

It's easy to be smug when you're right.

How do explain countries like Brazil that are keynesians in the situation they are?

What does that have to do with this thread or the serious flaws of American libertarian thinking?
I don't know enough about the political economy of Brazil to tell you, do your own research.

Also, if you really want to go down this road, I'd like you to explain why the highest standards of living in the world, along with the strongest economies, can be all be found in Keynesian/social democratic countries, while there has literally never been a libertarian country or a successful libertarian economy.

If your going by the most extreme definitions of libertarian sure, but many would argue the classical liberalism of Madison is part of the libertarian tradition and part of the intellectual basis on the movement

all countries are now classical liberal at their basis, and claim to try to embrace new liberalism, but they never change their basis.

Somalia is LITERALLY a socialist shithole that completely failed

>And the US doesn't count either.

based on what? the fact that it blows the fuck out of your trite and childish worldview?

Lichtenstein

Early US

>Switzerland has the fourth-freest economy in the entire world and is only surpassed by Hong Kong, Singapore, and New Zealand.

>Considering that Switzerland has one of the most free-market economies on the planet, it’s no wonder the country has the ninth-highest per capita income in the world. Indeed, research suggests that the freer a market economy is, the faster it grows.

>The Swiss have the third-highest median household income in the world, which means the median Swiss household is slightly richer than the median American household.

>Switzerland has the fourth-lowest level of government spending as a share of the economy among the 34 OECD countries. (OECD refers to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, a group of developed countries.)

>The Swiss have genuine federalism and decentralized government. Their central government is responsible for around 15 percent of total government spending, which is lower than that of any other OECD country.

>The Swiss have a long history of armed neutrality and haven’t been involved in war since 1815. Switzerland is like a porcupine: it won’t bother you, but it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.

>Switzerland has the fourth-highest gun ownership rate in the world. It also has the 11th-lowest homicide rate in the world (out of 195 countries).

>Marijuana is decriminalized.

>Switzerland is the third-happiest country in the world.

fee.org/articles/9-reasons-libertarians-should-love-switzerland/

>And the US doesn't count either.
Yes it does.
Kill yourself.

>when you're right.
Pic related.

>can be all be found in Keynesian/social democratic countries

Like america?
I thought we were all keynesians now?

We have fiat currency, you people won.

Look at the destruction of the middle class you caused.

>it's a " American teenager thinks that economical liberalism is libertarianism because of dualistic voting system, stupid world views and muh libruls" episode

It also has forced conscription and the guns are home-stored service rifles (well, mostly, hunting rifles and semi-autos can be bought legally) because every able-bodied citizen is part of the militia. You can't purchase bullets, and the government counts them up every year, fining you for each that can't be found.

No, the fact it isn't a libertarian country and never has been.

So if you move the goalposts, you mean?

>median income
can someone explain to me why one pick this in favor of average income when doing research?

...

Median:
>Counts the number of households and takes the income that is in the middle
>3, 5, 7, 12, 13, 14, 21, 23, 23, 23, 23, 29, 39, 40, 56
The median of these series would be 23. They choose to compare mostly inequality and the % of people that live below the median income

and that gives you what the middle class are earning as opposed to average income?

I'm not defending Orwell. I'm just attacking Ayn "Smelly cunt" rand. There is a reason why posting rand on Veeky Forums is banable.

>Singapore
>libertarian
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

t.Singaporean

Also HK is not libertarian

>I'm not defending Orwell
And why do you post an infographic with him?
No one takes Ayn Rand seriously

Stop false flagging lollbertarians. Everybody knows america even has supreme court judges who have Randy Rand' shit as their bedside """books"""'.

Averages are easily distorted by extreme values. Suppose you've got 10 people. The first earns 10'000 a year, the second 20'000, the third 30'000 and so on, except the last one, who earns 5 Millions. The average income for those 10 people is going to be somewhere around 500'000, which is completely nonsensical as 9 of them don't even earn 100'000.

Quantiles (median is a form of quantile) are much better to describe what is actually happening to the majority of people.

Swiss here, the state* is a comparatively huge presence, practically everywhere in personal life and probably economy too. Like, you can't even get a dog without having to do some course on how to handle it. To consider the country's policies right-wing Libertarian in the US sense is completely nonsensical.
>Switzerland has the fourth-lowest level of government spending as a share of the economy
That's mostly because we're so absurdly rich. Thx Banks.
>Marijuana is decriminalized.
Still illegal in any meaningful sense.
> Switzerland is like a porcupine: it won’t bother you, but it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.
If you bother us or threat to invade, we will give you whatever it is you want from us, just pls don't invade. Not that anybody would ever want something from us except money and sending transport/traffic through the alps, which we happily let Italy and Germany do during WW2.

* or rather the cantons and the communes, because the part about federalism is somewhat true.

Paraguay, de facto.

The entire country is dependent on the black market, which is kind of free. The government is unable to impose its will, so it's limited, and everyone only looks for himself in a law of the jungle, hence the individualism.

>noble price

just noticed that. How anybody can respect those dorks after they gave Obama the Peace prize is beyond me.

>Paraguay has 7% economic growth per year
Wtf I love Liberalism now

It's probably even more, as I said, most of Paraguayan economy is unaccounted.

On the other hand, they are heavily dependent on Brazil's statist economy. Paraguay is basically a marketplace for Brazilians who don't want to pay exorbitant prices at home. Brazil is collapsing so Paraguay will be hurt too.

>Brazil is collapsing so Paraguay will be hurt too
They erely more in Uruguay than Brazil.Hayek is making Paraguay great again

>singapore
>arrested for chewing gum

yeah that's what I thought, yet I hear the term "average household income" so often but that seems like itwould be kind of a stupid figure to even bring up.

Median is a way of calculating the average. There are multiple ways of calculating average and the one you are referring to is the arithmetic mean.

hahahaha

yet more proof that Veeky Forums is full of 14 year olds you just spout whatever they last heard in school/revleft/reddit

It'd a shithole though even when compared to big state neighbours like Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay

Well, in my language the word which is considered the translation for Average refers exclusively to the arithmetic mean.

*fined
You get executed for owning guns without a license.

We're speaking English.

>moving money around without actually producing anything is a talent and legacy

libertarianism is a pretty broad movement. Its not just a few miniarchists

pic related, its Switzerland

In my country too

Hey isnt Russia a libertarian? last i heard at least

Liberia

Yeah, china and iran too