Thoughts on Pascal's Gambit?

Thoughts on Pascal's Gambit?

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* more well known as Pascal's Wager

House always wins in this one. No matter what your bet is, expected value is a negative one.

It seems to me that an omnipotent entity would see through your false attempts at faith.

Additionally, eternal damnation doesnt seem like a logical place for probably 99.99% of humanity to end up.... Even the Hitlers and Pol Pots of history's actions are dwarfed by the mind boggling infinity of the universe.

Sorry for being dumb but how do you read the chart?
Like I align my belief with the columns or the rows?

literally what the fuck is this chart trying to say

People try to come up with a rationality that protects them from the cruel Father's reign of terror against nonbelievers. You won't escape.

Anyway, a better interpretation of pascal's wager would be that the fact there is a God or not a God could be equally likely.
Then we use a separate inference to determine the probability of each religion.
Pagan religions are folklore
Islam and Judaism have logical inconsistencies.
The Christian Gospel is logically coherent.
Therefore the Christian Gospel is most likely and it coincidentally is the one that condemns you to hell forever for disbelieving in the divinity of Jesus.

Eternal damnation only makes sense if eternal damage has been done to God's will. We can interpret this to mean that there is a grand design which could be permanently ruined, and it can be done so by lack of belief in Christ.

>daddy won't beat the kids who fear him


>The Christian Gospel is logically coherent.

Please explain.

>Please explain

If you remove the gospel from the bible, and just look at Christ's message it contains no errors.
There is also the scripture which states we should throw away old teachings. "Throw away old wineskins, etc"

where does Jesus explain hell, what is the original greek/aramaic text

Pretty sure he used the term Gehenna which was a Jewish place of punishment in the afterlife.
He used that so people would understand his message.
He revolutionized the concept of Gehenna from murderers are burned alive to everyone who insults one another (tiniest sin) is burned alive.

how again does that refute anything? just because there's a ton to choose from doesn't mean anything. that just makes the choice of choosing the correct religion harder. who ever said god was just?

what is the exact original text on salvation/avoiding damnation

>He used that so people would understand his message.

it would be very hard to demonstrate that Jesus's words weren't esoteric in nature

>who ever said god was just

most theologians actually

Why does the original Aramaic text matter?
Can't you just google John 3:18 yourself?

>why does the original matter

because this

biblehub.com/text/john/3-18.htm

is far more esoteric and full of contextual linguistic content than

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."

Well how would you interpret it differently?

as a disciple of KEK I can't help but notice the second repeated word for judgement is KEKritai

Stupid, as an article of Faith has always been that you have to really believe.

> Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven

You can't just be Richard Dawkins and say you believe in God and get into Heaven when you don't, so the wager is flawed

Besides, we are all predestined for salvation or not. Why bother?

It makes the choice irrelevant. No matter what you choose there is at least one other religion that claims you will receive infinite suffering for that choice

It may not be so easy.
Entertain the idea that the Christian God is real.
No religion except Islam claims that being a Christian is a sin.
Your only excuse therefore is that you believed in Allah. You can't just make wild claims and expect to be justified.

The point of Pascal's Wager is that, regardless of how unlikely God's existence is there's still a nonzero chance and since the promised rewards and punishments are infinite it makes sense to play it safe and believe in God. But there's also a nonzero chance that a God exists who rewards nonbelief with eternal paradise and punishes belief with eternal damnation. If you take that into account, the expected values of belief and nonbelief are undefined. Of course, it's also possible that God will reward or punish ANY arbitrary thing you say, do, or believe. Given this, it seems like a silly thing to take seriously when making decisions without some strong argument for why it would be the case. So Pascal's Wager is pretty useless.

A perfect being would see right through your faulty attempts at believing in him, However, a perfect being must know that humans have a selfish motive for every one of their actions, so they are not too different than the actual believers, god caring way too much in how much you obey him seems strange, and a bit of a sign into wether or not he is truly perfect

>humans understanding the mind of a god

still doesn't refute the fact that if you don't choose the correct religion that you are fucked

Rows is your choice.

Be a generic """"spiritual""" protestant or dive head first into whatever religion you were born into.

"If you're going to believe in fairy tales, pick the one that requires you to do the least and hurts as few people" essentially.

It sums up the "bad end" of each religion. You pick a row, it tells you what other religions think of the religion you picked; pretty much everyone disagrees with Bad Deeds and Hinduism, so if you picked Hinduism and it turns out that Zoroastrianism is the right one you get fucked. The Expected Value tells you just how badly fucked you are if it turns out you made the wrong decision.

> just because there's a ton to choose from doesn't mean anything
It actually does. Your entire life can be considered as a choice and there can exist God, that rewards exatly and only such choices. Basically in a game without defined rules there is no right strategy and there is no right bet. Yes, you are fucked because the game isn't just. The point here is that you also can't unfuck yourself by making a choice known to be right a priori... To put it simple the best you can do, is to live whatever life you can, and hope that it was the right guess. If you know nothing about the rules of game you can't try to win and avoid a loss.

The best be here is to invent religion that could be read as any other and adhere to that until the end.