History of animation, both Eastern and Western

I heard that animation changed dramatically from the Carter years to the Reagan years.

Is that true?

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heavily censored because "please think of the children" mentality. Disney was alright (as opposed to the non-disney ones), but still had to recover over the loss of Walt.

Reagan's neoliberalism allowed animation to slip pass some of the censors if they amounted to 30 minute advertisements which allowed for them to completely do away with it by the 90s

I can't say for animation as a whole, it's also weird for you to think the change of presidents would have a greater impact than other factors of the time, specially outside of the US.

However, after Walt Disney died in 66, after the release of The Jungle Book, the whole Disney company changed and was left with some dead years of minor successes, rehashes of animation from old movies and lack of creativity. There are various reasons for it. IT was only in the late 80s and early 90s that their animation begun to improve once again with hits like Little Mermaid, Alladin and Oscar winner Beauty and the Beast, then later The Lion King.

Poor Walt, he must be turning in his grave to see Disney taken over by his Jewish enemies and degenerate into soft porn industry for children.

Are you kidding? "Walt Disney hates Jews" is one of the oldest memes in Hollywood. The dude loved hiring Jewish cartoonists, both before and after the war.

>this meme
You realize this isn't /pol/ right?

>When you don't think but can't stop posting

Fleischer Bros > Disney


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Well, yeah, you're talking about a 12 year period. But no, not nearly as dramatically as the 12 year period that came afterwards, or the collapse of animation for the most part in the 60s.

Disney always had good animators, they just had no direction to make the movies the hit they needed to be, The Little Mermaid had just as many good animators as The Rescuers.

What really suprises me is how no one in the west during the 70s 80s thought to go to Japan when the animation boomb died, like I get that it's a difficult thing to do but literally no one did, even guy like Ollie Johnston who you take one look at their animation of Penny and you think they'd fit right in.

What is it about the US that keeps animation solely a "childish" thing.

I seriously only watch anime because occasionally directors will blur the line between making something for manchilfren and making smething for adults. I think thats one of the greatest things about the medium, you can blur the line between real and unreal, with no obvious green-screen, like you'd get from something like satoshi kon. You can play with audience expectations and emotions directly, since animation is idealized by its very nature.

the animators always had to stay in line or they'd be out of a job, in the US it was always business first, artistic expression second.

It's a lot easier for me to get watery-eyed watching animated movies desu. I always thought it is for the very reason you just said.

You might be better off asking /co/. Although it may not seem like it, there are some people on there who are really knowledgeable about animation

penny was supposed to be cute not sexy

you don't get that good a drawing little girls without motivation

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I think there's something to be said for the Medium's ability to just smash through inhibitions like that.

Most baby boomers only tolerate them because they know the actors who did the voices.

Even the academy doesn't really understand animation, they'll vote for frozen because it'll be the only thing that watch. Some of them scorn French and Japanese animated movies out of pure xenophobia, "some fucking Chinese things nobody's heard of" is an actual comment from one of the voters.

And spirited away only won an Oscar because Disney had jack shit that year.

It's just a real shame, Princess Mononoke and End of Evangelion fucking blew me away the first time I watched them, after swearing off most animation for years.

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Someone wrote an article about animation style and content changing throughout the decades based on the swing of the stock market, after someone else's article about the same situation happening in automobile design.

The original post got removed I think but I found a mirror. Pretty interesting read.
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>"some fucking Chinese things nobody's heard of"

That was in reference to Song of the Sea, an Irish film, and The Tale of Princess Kaguya, Studio Ghibli's latest film at the time.

I've found that there's a massive generational gap in knowledge of animation, with people ~35 and younger having at least a cursory knowledge of it and people over that age having dramatically less knowledge. It's of no coincidence that those who would be ~35 would have been ~10 years old at the oldest when both the animation renaissance and second anime boom started in the West,

Considering that Walt admired Hitler I don't think this meme is that far fetched.

so what does The Big Snooze fall under?

I like Gertie. Shame nobody knows her.

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I know. Great individual genius passed through Disney. But there are more complicated problems concerning budgets, time, who is in charge, what the audiences want and so on that created those eras.

This is what I come to Veeky Forums for, thank dude.

Makes sense that something like Evangelion hit it big in the years following Japan's bubble economy bursting in the early 1990s.

I would say it's pretty standard bull market stuff, still very slapstick and lighthearted in tone. If you're talking about the trippy dream sequence specifically, that's based on the Dumbo scene from 1941, which was apparently made in a bear market.

Stop projecting and seek help.

Ollie was a good at drawing, period. He could draw cute little girls, he could draw cute little farm animals, he could draw cute little fairy godmothers, he also did a good job making Cinderella's snotty sisters look like nasty bitches. He made Shmee look like a harmless tub of blubbering lard.

>Walt admired Hitler
Like so many conservatives of his day he initially admired Hitler for being anti-communist but as time went on it became increasingly convinced of Hitler's evil and enthusiastically supported his country during World War 2, making propaganda films for the War Department including “Der Fuehrer’s Face", where he specifically mocked Hitlerism and fascism
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I don't think this really works for modern Japan - the environment is too different.
More distribution systems, more variety, less originality, a more segregated audience, different influences.
The 80s boom had dark and edgy OVAs and movies like Akira and Grave of the Fireflies, for example.

I only mention Eva because it got fucking huge, even amongst non Otaku. It was dark and edgy, but also existentialist as hell, which stuff like Akira wasn't, even the manga didn't go that hard into how feelings of worthlessness manifest.

Fireflies was also meant to lecture kids that were being ungrateful.