I had a thought after reading the diaries of the krauts that fought in the Wehrmacht. They were good men that believed they were fighting for all Germans, a better future for their people. They describe how Germany post WW1 was a desperate Germany that was on the verge of collapse. Though I'm not sure if Germany was actually in danger of ceasing to become a country, but many talk as if it were. Then come the Nazis and their promise to reform Germany and create a society that benefits all Germans. They talk about the unwavering love and loyalty they all had for 1 man and his elite inner circle.
There was one diary that truly stands out as it describes the battle of Stalingrad from the point of view of a 6th army soldier. As they enter Stalingrad he refers to the promises of the fuhrer. As time goes on he describes the worsening conditions, but at the same time believing victory was at hand. Towards the end he stops referring to him as the fuhrer their God, instead referring to him as Hitler a man. He knew he and his whole country had been betrayed. The 6th army had never retreated from any battle, but the one time they absolutely had to retreat while they still had the strength to, was denied repeatedly.
Then it dawns on me that National Socialism was never about the benefit of all Germans. It was always about the benefit of a few Germans, and most Germans were expendable Germans. After browsing /pol/ for 2 years I also noticed when unironic natsocs talk about WW2 they mainly talk about the leadership of Germany, most of whom were nazi officials. They rarely if ever talk about the millions of brave Wehrmacht soldiers that died for them during the war. I guess most natsocs view themselves as the elite of a future natsoc movement, not the ones freezing to death in Stalingrad on Christmas day, or being shot at for that matter.
All forms of socialism, including national socialism (no matter how stormfags or /pol/ says it's different) is the same oppressive authoritarian system in the end. Natsoc just starts subverting a country starting with family and race instead of starting with economic freedom. Like all forms of leftist systems, it claims it's for the benefit of all, but it will always end up benefiting a select few elite.
Cameron Anderson
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Gabriel Turner
why would you deny that request, were they really so hellbent on refusing to see the reality of them loosing?
Lucas Sanchez
On the off-chance they won it wouldn't have been as ridiculous
Nicholas Bell
If they were really as selfish as you say they were then there would have been to reason for the German Youths Camps they made, or all the housing they made for the German citizens to use, you're confusing loosing a fucking war with bad leadership
Caleb Wood
>one guy says Hitler isn't literally God >lol Hitler didn't care about most Germans
Aaron Mitchell
>Like all forms of leftist systems, it claims it's for the benefit of all, but it will always end up benefiting a select few elite. You were so close user, and then you fucked it up.
Spoiler: it's class society - the economic elite exploiting the laboring majority for their own economic interests.
Jaxon Morris
>ZEY WUZ GÜT BOYS, ZEY DINDÜ NUFFIN
''We were without feeling for the suffering of others,'' Reese wrote. ''We bragged about what we had conquered and about the effect a pistol could have on a defenceless woman.''
His diaries tell of cruelty and rape by ordinary German soldiers, and track their decline into a numb, alcoholic stupor as ''an inferno of fire, steel and blood'' raged around them.
''We danced in the railway carriages and fired into the air, made a captured Russian woman dance naked for us and smeared her breasts with boot polish, we made her as drunk as we were,'' wrote Reese.
Brayden Jenkins
Conquest is difficult without armies, to have armies you need children, to have children you need families, I'm sure you can fill in the rest.
I don't see how calling it an economic elite and just the elite few are that different, but sure your definition is valid too.
You misunderstand what I was getting at Ivan.
I'm talking how the krauts found non-Germans expendable and did whatever they wanted to them, treated them as spoilers of war. The thing that makes this tragic is they never thought their leadership, their fuhrer, the German they trusted most, could find them just as expendable as the non-Germans they had conquered in his name.
Don't get me wrong though, the krauts got exactly what they deserved.
Start shit? Get hit.
Start a war of conquest? Expect no sympathy or mercy when the natives retaliate.
Carson Howard
>I don't see how calling it an economic elite and just the elite few are that different, but sure your definition is valid too. Where we differed is you only singled out "the left". The right is guilty of it too. Any class society is.
Anyways, recommend me some diaries user. Love that shit.
Nolan Gutierrez
>After browsing /pol/ for 2 years kek.
Jaxson Watson
>All forms of socialism, including national socialism (no matter how stormfags or /pol/ says it's different) is the same oppressive authoritarian system in the end. Natsoc just starts subverting a country starting with family and race instead of starting with economic freedom. Like all forms of leftist systems, it claims it's for the benefit of all, but it will always end up benefiting a select few elite.
Oh look, it's another "American doesn't know what Socialism is and thinks everything left of centre = totalitarianism" thread.
Nice quads though my lad.
Ayden Sullivan
If the 6th army were able to retreat, at least they could've died with some dignity fighting in Kursk. Not a chance in hell they would've made a difference though.
Hundreds of thousands of the bravest and most loyal men that ever lived, thrown away because of one man's pride.
RIP you magnificent kraut bastards, may God one day forgive you of your sins.
May your leadership burn in hell for all eternity.
>not part of Himmler's batch of blonde hair blue eyed ubermensch?
>Yes you may be German, but see Hanz over there? >He's well.... more German than you according to records on his family line, height, IQ, eye and hair colors, and his great great grandpa even shook hands with the Fuhrer! May peace be upon him. >So sorry but you do not qualify for XYZ benefits or ABC education!
Oh look it's another foreigner trying to tell me what is and isn't socialism.
>socialism isn't that bad, infact it's misunderstood!
Socialism isn't a matter of left or right btw, it's up or down.
Liam Perry
>Oh look it's another foreigner trying to tell me what is and isn't socialism.
Lets hear your definition of Socialism.
Bonus points if you don't copypaste from dictionary.com or wikipedia.
Asher Jones
I already mentioned it.
So tell me what's your definition of real socialism? Not the definition that other lesser europeans have about socialism.
Carson Peterson
>soldiers on the losing side resent their plight and leaders once it is clear they are on the losing side
Huh. Color me surprised.
Caleb Gray
Because soldiers have never made last stands in which they regret nothing and would do it all over again if need be.
Juan Garcia
>exceptions being the rule
Not how it works m8.
Brandon Kelly
>They rarely if ever talk about the millions of brave Wehrmacht soldiers that died for them during the war. I guess most natsocs view themselves as the elite of a future natsoc movement, not the ones freezing to death in Stalingrad on Christmas day, or being shot at for that matter.
this
Nathan Bennett
>water is usually wet
Hunter Adams
>I already mentioned it.
No, you didn't.
You also conflated all 'leftist' (wew top buzzwords lad) economic systems with oligarchy/autocracy, which is beyond stupid and leads me to believe that this is a troll thread.
Carson Fisher
Your first reply was mocking my definition of socialism. So yes I did post it.
>You also conflated all 'leftist'
Sure, I should've just said all socialism instead.
Now, it's your turn to explain what real socialism is. :^)
Caleb Murphy
Not him but between communism and socialism there is such a wide range of possible options for governments. And I think you are wrong with classifying nazi germany as leftist. While it cooporated some socialist ideas it was much more a typical right wing dictatorship. Just look at who profited most from the whole mess.
Joseph Hill
>Your first reply was mocking my definition of socialism. So yes I did post it.
Now you're literally just making shit up f a m.
>All forms of socialism, including national socialism (no matter how stormfags or /pol/ says it's different) is the same oppressive authoritarian system in the end. Natsoc just starts subverting a country starting with family and race instead of starting with economic freedom. Like all forms of leftist systems, it claims it's for the benefit of all, but it will always end up benefiting a select few elite.
This is what I quoted in my first reply. Please point out to me where in here there is a definition of Socialism.
Please.
>Sure, I should've just said all socialism instead.
Ok good you've backpedaled once, now just time to stop being ignorant and realise you have absolutely no idea what you're on about when you talk about Socialism because you have no actual education and live in a country where the word 'Socialism' is used as a buzzword to mean Stalinism/Maoism/.
Christian White
Kek confirms
Elijah Thompson
Leave him alone. He's probably American.
Nathan Ortiz
>Like all forms of leftist systems, it claims it's for the benefit of all, but it will always end up benefiting a select few elite. Opposed to what other system? What is supposed to be better?
Nolan Howard
>Though I'm not sure if Germany was actually in danger of ceasing to become a country
Germany was very recent when it caused WW1, and it survived only because of the extreme kindness of the allies Much older entities like A-H or the Ottoman Empire were dismantled Germany being allowed to remain one was an oddity, a mistake It's no wonder it spawned nazism and is currentky destroying Europe
Christian Jones
How is it a leftist system when the most important people in the state were old German industrialists who had already been powerful during the Imperial German era and the Nazis had absolutely no ambition to expropriate them?
Ayden Miller
Why destroy the krauts completely though? As autistic as they are they are our European brothers with cultural and scientific/technological advancements that we still use and appreciate to this today.
In fact, despite the brutality and destruction, the Germans and Italians were the only ones trying to fight off the West's obsession with global banking systems/trade.
When people refer to "degeneracy" they are often referring to the wrong things. Degeneracy is worship of materialistic economic systems (AKA capitalism and communism).
Pic unrelated, it's just /pol/-bait. Fuck nuclear families.
Hudson Brooks
edgy/10
Leo Smith
if you destroyed germans then say goodbye to european relevance on the world stage
Samuel Hernandez
>Then it dawns on me that National Socialism was never about the benefit of all Germans. It was always about the benefit of a few Germans A quick read of the incompetent retards Hitler put in power could've told you that, Nazi Germany was possibly the most corrupt country of the decade
Chase Evans
>that's not true socialism
It's as if I'm supposed entertain every snowflake opinion.
>German, Israel, Taiwan
It is better to be hated than forgotten.
William Robinson
The Wehrmacht was really the most advanced for it's time army in the past 10 centuries they only lost because the winter of 43' was cold also also because the Italians dragged them into Africa also the Luftwaffe would have been better if there weren't so many supply shortages once they had jets by the way did you know that not all nazis were evil some of them were okay people the holocaust happened but it probably wasn't as severe as people say it was- INHALE
it wouldn't have feasible to use precious fuel and resources doing something that didn't contribute to the war effort did you know that Albert Speer was a really good architect also he didn't know about the holocaust so he's not a bad guy also Hugo Boss designed the uniforms don't they look cool they look so cool dude all the German generals were really smart it's just that Hitler kept making bad decisions if it weren't for him the Wehrmacht totally would have repelled D-Day and captured Moscow and Stalingrad did you know that Hitler didn't want to bomb civilians in London it's just that the British accidentally bombed some civilians in Germany and that made him retaliate also the firebombing of Dresden was way worse also did I mention that the only reason the Germans lost is because of Italy and the winter of 43' being really cold and Hitler not crowning Rommel grand Fuhrer of the Wehrmact and god-emperor of all things INHALE
Anyway, I'm gonna catch you guys later. Let me know if you want to play some Hearts of Iron 3
Anthony Russell
Not that guy but if you're going to talk about socialism, you really should know what socialism is.
Charles Brown
>It's as if I'm supposed entertain every snowflake opinion.
It's not an opinion, it's basic fucking knowledge of the terms you claim to be discussing. The reason terms like Socialism are used is so that when someone uses them to denote something, other people, by common agreement on the meaning of the term, know what that usage is intended to indicate.
You are trying to talk about Socialism without knowing what the commonly agreed upon definition of it is.
And you have STILL failed to provide your working (and obviously incorrect) definition of that word.
At this point I don't believe you actually have one, other than the 'oppressive authoritarian system' mentioned here which displays about the level of understanding I would expect from a /pol/ shitposter, but just like you'll get laughed out of /k/ for not knowing the difference between an AR and an AK, or Veeky Forums for not knowing who Joyce was, don't expect any clemency from Veeky Forums when you state your opinions as facts in the guise of real honest discussion when they're based on utterly incorrect information.
If you want to know how Hitler and the NSDAP used the term Socialism to mislead people, ask and I'm sure there are plenty of anons here who would be happy to explain and discuss. But don't come and act like you know what you're talking about when you so clearly don't. Or at the very least stick to subjects you actually have some concrete knowledge of (it sounds like you have read through some primary sources on the war effort and the functionality of the Wehrmacht, maybe stick to that).
Parker Miller
just imagine if every desperate people from a impoverished nation decided to annex their neighbors and genociding everyone that isn't a ""pure breed"" if that happened, human society would stop existing as a whole.
so i can't have any kind of sympathy for those warmongering subhumans, they try to conquer europe at every single opportunity they get, fail miserably and ask for mercy it has been like this since the dawn of time and i'm guessing it will never change so the best for the world is probably to just extinguish any traces of life those germanic woods
