>Direct Democracy Majority of people vote for the subjugation for the remaining number of people. Majority of people can vote to remove freedoms of the rest of the populace and the future freedoms of their descendants, therefore rendering future majorities who are against such laws obsolete as it has already passed into law.
>Representative Democracy You vote for individuals who will gradually erode your privacy and vote in laws which will negatively effect you in order to protest themselves and garner more profit.
>Constitutional Monarchy Logically inconsistent. Especially in the susceptibility for monarchs to be manipulated in old and young age and the strange necessity for a parliament to exist in restricting a monarch implying that parliament is of higher knowledge or rationality yet simultaneously maintaining the monarch.
>Autocracy (Absolute Monarchy and Dictatorship) Inability for citizens to properly affect change and express their opinions, can be open to brutality in order to maintain established order and too easy for it to be abused by a corrupt individual. Leads to instability when revolutions are formed or coup d'etats resulting in many deaths. Also suffers from the previous problem outlined or susceptibility in young and old age.
>Technocracy Far too reductive. Forgets that scientific methods and knowledge is always changing and to base laws and decision-making on science is too reductive as it is constantly in a flux and changes based on new evidence and methodology or lack thereof and is too flippant in its denial of ethical and moral philosophy.
Dylan Parker
>Anarchy Reduction in the standard of living, open to abuse, tendency towards acting like a state whilst rejecting such a title. Unlikely to be considered by the majority of people as they are unwilling to give up a level of living they have worked towards. Essentially requires individuals to organise and engage in communal tasks, allocating resources etc. which is significantly more difficult than having a state and more difficult to deal with considering current population levels, could result in chaos, famine, starvation and a multitude of other problems.
>Meritocracy How is this measured? Too subjective.
>Theocracy Problems exist for obvious reasons, don't need to measured out.
Wtf, all of these systems are shit!
Austin Kelly
protect themselves*
Jordan Howard
I propose a new system, everyone kills themselves except for me.
Julian Morgan
Christian Anarchism is the only true ideology
Brody Ward
Crawl back in your grave, Tolstoy
Austin Myers
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Bentley Evans
What if we just combined them all and see what happens?
Noah Reyes
So far I like the Swiss experiment. Recently they have: >approved limitations to refugee intake >soundly rejected basic income (moronic idea) >soundly rejected inheritance tax initiative >soundly rejected minimum wage of $25/h >soundly rejected abolition of compulsory military service >rejected anti-nuclear energy proposal >banned minarets (funny)
if you think about it, even though direct democracy allows for radical change (in the economy, culture and politics), the fact is most of the population does not want radical change, at least in Switzerland.
Oliver Phillips
This.
Eli Baker
Actually the biggest and most retarded meme is that every system is equally app,icable to every culture or race.
Austin Hill
Who pushes that meme?
Jaxson Walker
Fucking everyone for some reason. From neocons through communists and libertarians and basically everybody thinks if everyone adopted his stupid system it would make wonders.
Arabs or Russians for example literally cannot even function as a society in western style democracy. People like Australian Aboriginals or Inuits have trouble comprehending the concept of currency or wage labor so pushing them into capitalism is the equivalent of giving a blind retard a driver's license. Americans are so opposed to a monarchy that some of them literally stockpile guns in case some ruler starts calling himself a king. Etc.
Thomas Hughes
>He's surprised that no one system works perfectly for all people in all places and times
I want Kantaboos to fuck off
Nathan Martinez
The correct solution is balkanization. Countries small enough that everyone knows and trusts everyone else and it's unrealistic to get smaller. Maximizes social cohesion, allows for personal choice because if you really want to you can move somewhere else, albeit without being fully ingrained in society.
Bentley Nguyen
until one starts taking the rest over
Andrew Ramirez
>>Direct Democracy >Majority of people vote for the subjugation for the remaining number of people. Majority of people can vote to remove freedoms of the rest of the populace and the future freedoms of their descendants, therefore rendering future majorities who are against such laws obsolete as it has already passed into law.
I guess Brexit really is going to fuck us over in the long run once the dust settles...
Jayden Turner
>hey guys I have found a super new pure ideology that will solve everyone's problems, ppl do this, then that, then this and then everything turns out just fine and dandy ;) ok, what if they don't do this and that, how will you stop corruption >you.. you don't get it, didn't you hear me? people who follow pure ideology don't do that, all corruption is due to an evil boogeyman that goes away when people follow pure ideology xD
Nicholas Perry
it's about choosing the least shit famallarino, rousseau had a totally wrong perspective of things
Jaxon Wright
Why would they want to do that?
Evan Edwards
Which do you consider the least shit?
John Rogers
Limited democracy is best system.
Bentley Wood
Robocracy, machines that cant be influenced by chemicals make all the important decisions thus preventing corruption.
Adrian Foster
This still falls to the reductive problem.
Who decides what is programmed into the robot?
Hunter Bell
It's not uniform is its a canton by canton basis. Also it's still has flaws.
Luis Smith
>Direct Democracy Doesn't work that way, theres something called concordance type government and other checks to keep things fair. >t. Swiss
Noah Parker
Not really. Colonial governments thought Africans couldn't comprehend wage labour but actually the governments had no grasp on human behaviour or the locals economic culture and needs.
Lincoln Reed
He never mentioned Africans.
Camden Wilson
>Not a single person ITT refuted OP
Eli Bell
Here's a a refutation, then.
>You vote for individuals who will gradually erode your privacy and vote in laws which will negatively effect you in order to protest themselves and garner more profit. Not a problem of the system, but rather of a faulty constitution. Can be fixed with reforms.
Brody Green
I'm using an example of one subset of people thought of being unable to ubderstand something like say wage labour.
Kayden Jones
Completely different case. Africans at least had agricultural societies and labor specialization while the Eskimos were just hunters until very recently.
Xavier Brown
>Can be fixed with reforms. [Citation needed]
Jonathan Peterson
> Anarcho-capitalism Literally none cons. But if you violate the NAP you'll be nuked :^)
Brandon Sullivan
Just give your politicians less money lmao
Make politics a career for the inspired, not the greedy.
Carter Nguyen
Is this faggot mod really gonna delete the "worst US presidents" thread for being /pol/ material but leave up a thread about political systems?
Cooper Morales
That didn't matter to the colonial authorities though.
There was no wage labour and the colonies needed to make money so under the belief that they could not understand wage labour since most didn't take to it or left a soon as the contract was over because most Africans undertook subsistence labour (then the authenticates simply not getting that there is no reason to under go wage labour when THERE"S NOTHING TO BUY with said wages).
Forced labour was often undertaken as a way to force people to partake of labour since according to the popular belief of the time "there's no way you can actually get the natives to work for you under their own will" so forced labour was used as a way to extort said labour for extremely low wages.
Jackson Gomez
>2155438 Yes Yes he will
Juan Walker
Fuck do I care about colonialists, they were wrong about this period. Stop trying to shove your victim complex everywhere.
Easton Walker
Both threads should be allowed up as they historical.
Joshua Richardson
The crazy thing about Rousseau is that he makes so many great insights and then follows them to idiotic conclusions
Kayden Fisher
The problem is that we view these systems as mutually exclusive and zero-sum, rather than cyclical representations of the will of the people. Democracy is created by strong virtuous societies, then naturally devolves into vicious hyper-egalitarian fantasy lands. The fantasy cannot sustain itself, the bubble bursts, the people are full of sloth and greed and envy and pride, and the only way forward is a totalitarian order maker like Augustus. The divisions we create are illusory, all political systems bleed into one another
Jordan Gonzalez
user I'm just saying an example of a one group that was thought of being able to partake of certain systems but turning out they can and thsi has happened countless times for a people being thought of unable of doing x but rendering those conclusions wrong like how the Confucian work ethic and culture would clash with capitalism.
Stop trying to blow this up.
Blake Ward
those were federal referendums
Chase Morales
and who will decide how much money politicians get?
that's right, politicians themselves.
Noah King
And I'm telling you Africans are a completely different folk than Inuits.
Adam Martin
and that was thought of Africans and East Asians though as well.
Christopher Bailey
>Vote for me! I will give myself a raise!
Yeah, great strategy
Joseph Fisher
>people thought A was B but it turn out to be C >therefore X, Y and Z is C
I'm sorry my man but you're retarded.
Daniel Collins
Spartans had the perfect government.
Isaac James
>Technocracy never been tried
Actually, if I was going to say anyone had a technocracy it would be the Chinese.
They are an autocracy but they don't have dictatorships like they did with Mao. Basically, it helped them with the transition issue by making it so the leader could overpower the party. In essence you get very well educated people running the show with PHDs in engineering and so so on.
