>gave Cortes tons of gold gifts requesting him to leave
>sent sorcerers to defeat the Spanish instead of outright attacking
>invited Cortes to the capital royal palaces along with the empire's enemies who allied with him
>captured Cortes twice and lost him both times because they wanted to sacrifice him in the Main Temple
they fucking deserved it
Bro can you imagine how insanely powerful that sacrifice would have been though
How powerful would it have been?
>captured Cortes twice and lost him both times because they wanted to sacrifice him in the Main Temple
on topic, did they literally only fought for capturing?
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Imagine if the Aztec Empire had stuck around into the contemporary era, do you think there would be neoreactionaries on Veeky Forums pining for the good ol' days of human sacrifice?
It was so ingrained that they considered killing their enemies in battle to be clumsy, and the only way to become an elite warrior like a the jaguars was to subdue about a dozen enemies in battle.
Rather than eradicating or utterly subjugating their neighbors, they remained in pretty much perpetual warfare with them because they were so obsessed with having a constant supply of sacrifices.
So yeah, they were retarded and deserved what they got. Not only because of their evil practices, but also because of how retarded their entire society and culture was.
I can't even imagine Aztecs without sacrifice, it's like Mongols without horses
Insanely
What would happened though? Summon powerful beings from the underworld? Massive increase in mystic powers?
Resurrect Huemac and his wives.
>>sent sorcerers to defeat the Spanish instead of outright attacking
was that a common thing or they really thought Cortes was Quetzalcoatl?
No. This is a misconception. They were practical when they needed to be.
then why they didn't killed Cortes?
>Aztec intellectuals
>tfw white devil took away sacrificing from us
And then they lost California and Mexico to some colonials.
California and Texas*
Same thing anyways.
They were trying to get to know their enemy.
It's not that unlikely. There was already a cult that disavowed human sacrifice (quetzalcoatl) and some temples precincts where it was forbidden.
California was founded by the Spaniards and Texas was settled by Tlaxcalans, who were the enemies of the Aztecs and the Spanish main allies.
Don't mock my refusal to learn about the history of native mesoamericans and spanish colonialism, you spic.
They didn't believe Cortés was Quetzalcoatl, it's a meme.
then it was common thing? or why would they do that?
According to their prophecy, Quetzalcoatl was a light skinned god who would return from the east. Cortés arrived to Mexico on the same date of the prophecy.
>Quetzalcoatl was a light skinned god who would return from the east
Yup, Spaniards literally used wewuzing to conquer Mexico.
Okay but that doesn't answer his question
oh so the god of wind and wisdom who was literally named "Feathered Serpent" and took the appearance of a... wait for it... FEATHERED SERPENT was actually a white guy?
> they really thought Cortes was Quetzalcoatl?
If they really thought that, they wouldn't have tried to sacrifice it.
then why they wanted to sacrifice him?
by the time they tried to sacrifice him the Spaniards already were at war with them
>invited Cortes to the capital royal palaces along with the empire's enemies who allied with him
on topic, why the other two kings of the Aztec Empire died if they weren't stoned like Moctezuma when he tried the people of Tenochtitlan after the massacre at the Main Temple?
>when he tried the people
*when he tried to appease the people
>on topic, why the other two kings of the Aztec Empire died if they weren't stoned like Moctezuma when he tried the people of Tenochtitlan after the massacre at the Main Temple?
because you touch yourself at night
Yes. God's appear in many forms. This is a widespread fact across every known mythology in history.
>Give Cortes gold as a sign of power and legitimacy as per the custom in Mesoamerica, didn't want him to march with arms directly into the capital because the emperor wasn't a fucking idiot.
>Didn't attack them because they knew about their cannons, guns and horses, but didn't understand the effectiveness of those weapons or the power of the Spanish army and needed more time to assess the situation.
>They were already marching to the capital under arms with their allies, so the Aztecs had two choices: risk going to war with a group of technologically superior people by declaring war outright or letting them enter the city to learn more about them, and then potentially trap them and kill them.
>Cortes is a battle hardened veteran with heavy steel armor, always on horseback, with the constant protection of his fellow soldiers. He's hard to kill to begin with. They followed their longstanding traditions of war that had existed for hundreds of years by taking him alive, which would have been more advantageous than killing him anyway because he would have been a bargaining tool or publicly sacrificed to inspire the local populace.
You need to do more reading my friend, things aren't always as simple as they seem.
That's not true. You have no idea what you are talking about. There were large land grants with Spanish/Mexican family owning vast tracks of land but being settled by Tlaxcalans? That is revisionist history.
>They were already marching to the capital under arms with their allies, so the Aztecs had two choices: risk going to war with a group of technologically superior people by declaring war outright or letting them enter the city to learn more about them, and then potentially trap them and kill them.
was Moctezuma letting himself get captured a part of his master plan?
>That is revisionist history.
>Although there were plans to settle Tlaxcalans at several strategic places in Texas, relatively few actually settled there (nine families arrived at San Saba Mission in 1757). However, Tlaxcalan colonists were fairly numerous at various places on or just south of the Rio Grande, as at El Paso (refugees from northern New Mexico after the Pueblo Indian rebellion of 1680), at San Juan Bautista near present Eagle Pass (settled there about 1700 to help instruct and control the Coahuiltecan Indians at nearby missions), and in the lower Rio Grande valley (invited by José de Escandón to settle in his new colony of Nuevo Santander in the 1750s). Descendants of these early Tlaxcalan settlers still live along the Rio Grande, and some are undoubtedly living in Texas today.
Of cause!
Not exactly, they used it as propaganda to justify and belittle the natives.
See:
cynthiaclarke.com
onlinelibrary.wiley.com
and these books
We People Here: Nahuatl Accounts of the Conquest of Mexico. Repertorium Columbianum, vol. 1. James Lockhart (trans. and notes)
Topiltzin Quetzalcoatl: The Once and Future Lord of the Toltecs
pic related is how Quetzalcoatl appeared in his human-like form. Usually he was depicted green. It should be noted that the white referred to in Quetzalcoatl is literally white, not pale or light skinned. This comes from the White Tezcatlipoca, another name for Quetzalcoatl. Tezcatlipoca had four aspects with four colors, Quetzalcoatl's representing white. And they were four colors as they were associated with the four directions.
Huemacs wife had a small butt. He was into THICC women.
Sorry, I misread your original post and mistakenly thought you state that California was settled by Tlaxcalans.
You are correct. Excuse My mistake.
Moctezuma gets shit on by a lot of historians for being an ineffective leader during the spanish conquest of mexico. Here are some of his exploits before the conquest:
>He was a Tlacochcalcatl, one of the primary leaders of the Aztec military
>Once he ascended to the throne after Ahuitzotl, he purged the entire cabinet and had them put to death.
>He initiated a series of conquests into Mixtec and Zapotec territory, personally leading an army of half a million men to conquer much of Oaxaca.
>Instituted greater punishments for sumptuary law violations and made it more difficult for commoners to become nobles through warfare, thereby strengthening the elite and his control over the empire.
>Presided over a period of unprecedented prosperity and strength in the empire, initiated bureaucratic reform, and effectively began the process of further centralizing the empire through sheer military strength and by manipulating the nobility.
He was not a weak leader. But it's impossible to know what exactly happened during his contact with the Spaniards. There is little reason to believe that he betrayed his empire to cortes, as the spanish sources suggest, when he worked so hard to secure its independent domination of central mexico.
>but also because of how retarded their entire society and culture was.
So retarded that they had better doctors and cities/building techniques then europe despite not even having metal tools?
Doctors and big stone age cities don't make a culture autistically fixated on ritually killing people not retarded
>so retarded...they didn't even have metal tools
really makes u think
no prob m9
>on topic, why the other two kings of the Aztec Empire died if they weren't stoned like Moctezuma when he tried to appease the people of Tenochtitlan after the massacre at the Main Temple?
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I always thought the Mexica went pale, not literally white. Thanks for enlightening me.
>initiated bureaucratic reform
elaborate pls
From what I have been told by the numerous professors telling the same story, they didn't think Cortez was Quetzalcoatl, they thought that Cortez and his troops were demons that were coming with Quetzalcoatl. Like his armies or something.
Paraphrasing from Ross Hassig's book Aztec Warfare, Imperial Expansion and Political Control.
>Moctezuma purged his cabinet, as I mentioned previously
>removed all commoners from his palace, replaced all the ward heads and captains with nobles and reportedly had the old ones put to death.
>made a law so that only nobles and valiant warriors could wear sandals in Tenochtitlan. This applied to other clothing as well, where nobles could wear whatever they wanted and commoners were restricted.
>by getting rid of commoners in his court, he began accumulating important nobles who he kept close, cementing ties to neighboring rulers and occasionally taking their relatives hostage if necessary.
>by bringing in nobles from outside families, he ensured that they would be loyal to him instead of other nobles and important leaders within the capital.
>made it more difficult for commoners to become nobles, which made the number of meritocratic nobles smaller and easier to control.
>he preserved the power of commoners who were already made noble, however, so that they would be tied directly to the state and wouldn't turn to local Calpulli (community) leaders. This helped ensure loyalty.
>Moctezuma deliberately interfered in the election of the Texcocan king, having tlatoani Cacama elected as opposed to Ixtlilxochitl, who was the rightful heir. This gave him much more influence in the city.
Why is he wearing Air Jordans?
They were all BLEACHED
What are his sources for all of this?
Not doubting you just wondering
it's funny to see how an overcautious emperor brought his own empire to an end just by wanting to learn more before attacking
>presenting himself like this in public
have the gods no sense of decency?
The platapusman god. no wonder the natives practically begged the Spanish to take over.
It is not
Just checked the references for you. He sites Duran, Cortes, and Sahagun for that specific section of the book, although he likely used information from other sources as well.
I think you guys are mixing up Montezuma 1 and 2 in a few ways.
If you want to talk about decency read Huemac and Tohuenyo's story.
The beak is shaped like that to mimic the shape the mouth makes when it is whistling. Whistling was associated with the wind, which is one of his aspects as the Wind, Ehecatl. Pic related is his plumed serpent form.
I would tend to agree. I know Mesoamerican cultures were known to talk shit about how people in neighboring regions spoke and the Mexica were no exception. When they heard the spaniards speak I can only imagine they must have been like "these muthafuckas don't even glottal stop!" I theorize the only reason they were fuckin' wit the Spanish and sucking their dicks in the first place was the same reason eurocentrics here on Veeky Forums suck europe's dick: they has domesticated animals, the wheel, steel, etc. All shit that would be very useful in gaining an advantage over whoever they were at war with before the Spanish arrival.
>Doctors
>cities
>building techniques
Please stop holding onto this false idea. They were primitive compare to the West and East nations.
They did have those three. And while I can't say about the bottom two (though Tenochtitlan to be fair was larger and cleaner than most European cities of the time), the first one is true about doctors from mexico being superior.
As opposed to european cultures who fixated on killing people for worshiping god the wrong way?
That's the first one though, the one you play in civ 5 not the third one
how is he mixing??
help pls
Cuitlahuac died from disease brought by the Conquistadors and his reign was very short. Cuauhtemoc fought a lengthy siege but surrendered in the end after many Aztecs died and they could no longer continue. He accompanied Cortes to campaigns in the Maya lands where he was accused of conspiring to betray Cortes with no evidence. They also tried to extract information of hidden Aztec gold and tortured him for it but there was no hidden gold, the Spaniards lost most that they had looted when they dropped it in the lake and drowned with it to escape Tenochtitlan when they were initially driven out. He was hanged at a ceiba tree and Cortes never slept well since.