Which one was the best China?

Tang

Can't beat those thick yellow goddesses amirite?

Qin>Rest

Modern. In comparison with all the other China governments it's like Heaven and hell.
It would be a second India. Full of diseases, poorly industrialised and with communist rebels at the borderlines.

The Qing unironically.

Because 18th Century China was still pretty good and had the rare trifecta of 3 consecutive good Chinese emperors in Yongzheng, Kangxi, and Qianlong.

Meanwhile the rest of your flags are weak-tier and PRC is polluted soulless fuck tier.

>Because 18th Century China was still pretty good
>ethnic majority is opressed and held backwards by the reactionary ethnic minority
>the country can't evolve into capitalism because of government keeping feudal laws and rights in their place
>army is still organised by the medieval, if not antique, standards
No wonder they ended up in a pretty fucked condition, like Osmans and Persians.

Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, heathen.

Actually it's very simple
>weak Qing rule falls in a revolution
>weak ROC with Five Races Under One Union is created
>ROC's president declares himself emperor
>weak empire fails and china splits in little warlord states
>nationalists from the south unite the north and fighting a civil war the against the communists who and other warlords and reform the ROC with KMT flag
>Japan declares War
>commies and nationalists unite against common enemy
>Japan gets nuked and ROC receives all territories lost including Formosa back
>nationalists betray the commies because they're commies and start a civil war
>commies deafeat nationalists and KMT gov retreats to Formosa
>war just completely stops and the PRC is recognized as the legitimate government of China

>implying the Qing didn't utterly destroy China

Even counting Yongzheng, Kangxi, and Qianlong, their net negative influence massively outweighs the other dynasties.

TANG 5EVER

This for 99% of civilians

This in terms of cultural and political height

Depends on whether Xi will succeed in centralising power enough in the upcoming 19th national congress in the upcoming year. It's funny how Western media does no reporting on this whatsoever - this 19th national congress is gonna be the biggest in decades because 5 of the 7 people on the standing committee are going to leave, who've been there for over decades.

It's this congress that decides whether the upcoming few years and possibly decades will be reined by Xi and his ideals of a Fascist-Confucian "Middle Kingdom" style sovereign country with an extremely top-down bureaucracy or whether CCP dogfighting will continue

t. Dumbshit what if user

>nationalists betray the commies because they're commies and start a civil war
You don't betray a commie, merely pre-emptively defend yourself from his inevitable treachery.

Kuomintang did nothing wrong

>Because 18th Century China was still pretty good

Hello retard

>PRC is soulless
Nice meme! Because 1948 China was lively and clean while 1949 China was soulless and polluted!

>was soulless and polluted!
6 decades of Communism and China has been like that for the last 5

Can you explain more about what's coming up in China? I don't know shit about it but I'd like to

>TANG 5EVER
Late Tang was shit tier

>Le CCP betrayed China meme

Then you are delusional

Essentially their major election.

Polluted and soulless in what way? No Chinese government in history has sponsored so many museums or institutes for art and education as the PRC.

Wikipedia has a pretty good explanation, honestly: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_National_Congress_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China

The difference is between the American presidential primaries and the Chinese national congress is that you can follow the former and get a rough 'feel' of the direction while with the Chinese congressional outcomes we won't know what's happening at all until not only the new people are instated but when they start politically acting to assert that they're in favour of the Xi camp

It's particularly important this year as outlined in the wiki article:

>The Politburo Standing Committee is traditionally considered the highest level of power in the Communist Party. Since 2002, its membership selection has become increasingly institutionalized. Age, in particular, has played a significant role. Beginning with the 16th Party Congress in 2002, all standing committee members who have reached the age of 68 in the year of a congress will be required to retire. No one has broken this convention between 2002 and 2017. It is likely, therefore, that five out of the seven members of the 18th Politburo Standing Committee will relinquish their seats: Zhang Dejiang (1946), Yu Zhengsheng (1945), Liu Yunshan (1947), Wang Qishan (1948) and Zhang Gaoli (1946).[3]

The two possible outcomes would be this:

1) Xi consolidates to a power unforeseen since Deng Xiaoping. With China as it is, and with essentially every level of the Chinese bureaucratic structure subservient to Xi, he will become the most powerful man in the world - superseding Putin

cont.

, who although has near autocratic control of power in Moscow with his Petersburg faction, does not have nearly as much leverage as China for obvious reasons, or Trump, who will be hindered by congressional and institutional limits - American tech companies are against him, the fucking Federal Reserve has OPENLY moved against him, and although congress is Republican dominated, lots of Republican house members will veto any outstanding legislation for local electorate purposes, as well as lobbyists representing their interest groups. Xi is currently the fourth most powerful person in the world, after Putin, Trump and Merkel, and this is his chance to undoubtedly become first. WIth this power, he will be able to break a lot of unspoken rules such as the two-term limit, as well as the Chinese "constitutional" memes, and end effective opposition to him - he may essentially become a dictator

2) Those in opposition to Xi will continue to stall and mitigate his power by comprising a larger constituency in congress and perhaps even the Politburo itself. It is unclear where the centralised power of opposition to Xi comes from although it is not unreasonable to speculate that it comes fro Jiang Zemin, Hu Zintao (former Presidents) and the Premier Li Keqiang who still favour a manufacturing, export and internationally open, cosmopolitan China as well as the traditional party bureaucracy of pushing ahead competent friends who are where they are from political pragmaticism. Jiang is the main source of power if this is the case and he's a dying old man. If this happens, Xi will not be able to consolidate power obviously and will in the upcoming few years have to focus on the dogfight within the party, as well as domestically manage to appease short term national needs, rather than his grand visions of reform of China into a service economy with pre-communist ideals as well as a Fascist revisionist national propaganda system

TL;DR China until September 2017 will be similar to what it is now and it won't do anything out of the ordinary. From September-November 2017, the national leader, under pressure, will attempt to bolster short term feelings of nationalism, and this may include strong diplomatic retaliations to any perceived slights as well as a strong chance in economiy foundations.

By November 2016, China's Xi Jinping will either become both the most powerful man in the world as well as an unilateral dictator, or he will be even weaker than he is now - if the former happens, Xi will attempt to do large structural reforms that will likely incur recession in the short term, which he had already started with the mass privatisation of stocks a few months ago, as well as a cultural inclination to something akin to early 20th century Western revisionism, but if he fails, China will be more or less the same as Hu Zintao's (early 2000s) China

actually they were very corrupt/inefficient and their soldiers were total assholes during the civil war while Mao managed to institute discipline in his ranks

Take a chill pill. You far overestimate the power Xi has or could have.

the filthy commie one because it has the least strain to my eyes

Song Dynasty.

Out of that image, answer choice E.

F before Deng

Fuck off

Was Hu a communist? Did he desire full stateless communism as a desirable ultimate goal for Chinese society?

PRC is objectively the greatest China has ever been.

>imagine modern China state built upon western democratic ideas

>tfw Tange dyansty court women qts will never gossip about you as you stroll about with your noble peers.

*Tang

*Chang

The post ww2 ROC without a doubt. Though if we could have alternative history
and avoid the absolute mess that was the 20th century.
They were actually pretty corrupt and inept, though if they and Jiang had done to the entire nation what happened in Taiwan China would be vastly better off

It's called Hong Kong.

>ywn make a fatty concubine your favorite immediately after rising to office and snub all the underage qts to make them tsundere for you

Found the Maoist.

Noone
China truely spiritually died a long time ago
Now its just a Meme Version of The Most Cancerous parts of Western materialism

>Kuomintang did nothing wrong

They lost user. They obviously did something wrong.

fat fetishists are disgusting

Wrong.

Taiwan

Le Mao did nothing wrong and Taiwan sucks view is awfully strong here.

>Sun Yat-sen had lived and hadn't been forced out in favor of trying to appease that faggot Yuan Shikai.

Sun Yat-sen was kinda an idiot honestly. Most of his attempts at revolution failed, and Yuan Shikai only gained power cause Sun Yat-sen thought that making him president was a great idea. He really doesn't deserve the title of "Father of the Nation".

>1972-present

Why 1972 and not 1976?

>No Chinese government in history has sponsored so many museums or institutes for art and education as the PRC.

All the good relics are in Taipei

>It's funny how Western media does no reporting on this whatsoever - this 19th national congress is gonna be the biggest in decades because 5 of the 7 people on the standing committee are going to leave, who've been there for over decades.

They don't? I've always seen tons of articles written before, during, and after the National Congresses.

>"The Japanese are a disease of the skin, the Communists are a disease of the heart".

He wasn't wrong.

>actually they were very corrupt/inefficient and their soldiers were total assholes during the civil war while Mao managed to institute discipline in his ranks

You're not wrong, but you're leaving out the fact that the PLA avoided combat with the Japanese to preserve their numbers, and how the Soviets basically handed over all the Japanese material they captured to the PLA

Could China have succeeded as it is today without Mao's communist revolution? I feel like communism may have been the only course of action after almost a century of fucks as under a democratic leadership may be marred down progress to a standstill comparatively to India.

Genuine question here

>Could China have succeeded as it is today without Mao's communist revolution?

One-party authoritarian rule, "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics", and promoting nationalism is pretty much what Sun Yatsen and Chiang Kai-shek envisioned for China. If the Japanese had never invaded, the KMT would have wiped out the Communists eventually, and then the KMT would have begun modernizing China in a similar way to what the CCP is doing now (and wouldn't have wasted 30 years like Mao did).

One thing I'll give the CCP credit for though is that they eliminated warlordism in China, which the KMT never managed to do, even after the Northern Expedition. It's totally possible China could have suffered from repeated coups under the KMT like in South Korea.

He wasn't, he was following Deng's path of globalisation and industrislisation through therefor

I wouldn't say that Xi would become Emperor but there is a chance he can run for three terms and consolidate more power

I feel as though more than anything else, Mao inflicted almost fatal damage to the Chinese values and culture.

Chinese and Confucianism had always emphasized respect for others, filial piety, and upholding the good of the community as laudable.

But between dumb shit like the purges of intellectuals and the Cultural Revolution the generation after Mao are a bunch of rude, greedy, ill-mannered backstabbers who take their newfound money and shit all over others with it. They have no respect for their parents and grandparents and do not take care of them in their old age like they should, shifting the burden to the state.

And others around the world are disgusted at the uncultured behavior of noveau riche Chinese tourists who litter and yell and cut in line. Overseas Chinese from diaspora communities like in Singapore and Malaysia or satellites like Hong Kong look down on mainlanders as barbarians.

>But between dumb shit like the purges of intellectuals and the Cultural Revolution

Stopped reading right there

So you're saying the Anti-Rightist campaigns and the Cultural Revolution had no effect on Chinese of that generation?

There's a reason why young Chinese hate old people so much that they won't give them their seats on public transportation.

I mean, nouveau riche from any culture are going to be pretty insolent and insufferable. It's just that with China's massive leaps in quality of life, there's a lot of nouveau riche.

Japanese tourists weren't barbarians in the pre Lost Decade era

Japan had already had a strong and wealthy middle class for decades, though.

>and the PRC is recognized as the legitimate government of China
not until 1972

daily reminder that Taiwan of all fuckin places was on the UN Security Council for over 25 years

>Qin
No.

MAINLAND CHINA IS RIGHTFUL TAIWANESE CLAY COMMUNISTS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

It took the communists to free China from foreign domination.

bottom left

Seriously, I enjoy the simple commie aesthetics.

The CCP sucked the dick of the USSR for ten years, and Mao gave up Outer Mongolia without any sort of protest so he could get Soviet aid.

Chiang hated Westerners too, and he successfully negotiated the Western powers giving up much of the extraterritoriality the unequal treaties had given them. So I still say that if the Japanese had never invaded, Chiang would have ended foreign domination and modernized China.

To add, one joke I've heard repeatedly that describes China's current system well is "If Chiang and Mao were to walk around modern Shanghai, who would be happier with what they saw?"

> anything other than the Heavenly Kingdom

absolutely heretical desu senpai

Ming tbqh senpai

>unironically being a heretic protestant which is a catholic heresy

>>nationalists betray the commies because they're commies and start a civil war

Wrong, it's more like:
>PRC on verge of defeat
>Japan declares war
>ROC being legitimate government of China have to defend territory from Japanese which is costly whereas the PRC can perform guerrila operations which minimises losses
>WW2 ends and soviet presence in the region means the PRC get's Manchuria and Japanese equipment
>ROC is fucked from the war and PRC kick them whilst they're down

In the case of the Taiping, the phrase "not even wrong" could be modified to "not even heretical". You can't call a religion where the prophet thinks he's the brother of Jesus Christ "Christianity". The only thing Hong Xiuquan knew about Christianity was what he skimmed from pamphlets a missionary was handing out.

This is pedantic, but you should say "PLA" or "CCP" rather than "PRC". The PRC wasn't declared until after the ROC had pretty much been driven from the mainland.

>>WW2 ends and soviet presence in the region means the PRC get's Manchuria and Japanese equipment
>>ROC is fucked from the war and PRC kick them whilst they're down

You forget the equipment ROC got from US

At one point, Truman put an arms embargo on the KMT because he wanted a negotiated peace between the KMT and the CPC in order to stabilize China. Meanwhile, the Soviets continued to give the CPC arms.

How will China change socially and politically as the older generation who lived through the Cultural Revolution die off?

>implying the Soviets didn't heavily fun the KMT and Chiang didn't have a close attache of Soviet advisors with him

how naive.

>All this history of several thousand years with different imperial dynasties gone because of Sun Yet Fag
Reeeeeeee

Tang

Singapore was ruled by a dictator for 3 decades under which it became a booming country. Not really western democratic ideals.

This is true with a lot of Asian countries as they usually have periods of dictators that rule until the actual democracy comes in. It's not a quick and easy transition.

>western democratic ideas
absolutely disgusting. even communism is better then that shit

true, and yet the KMT chose to fuck the united front and get clowned on during the civil war

This seems like the right thread to ask

I've been sort of enamored with the warlord era since I've discovered it on wikipedia, can you recommend me a good big book about it? Tanks in advance

Singapore can't really be classified as a "dictatorship" since they still had elections, and not even sham ones. Illiberal democracy is a better description of Singapore.

Democracy was fine, universal suffrage is the problem. Voting is a privilege to be earned not a right to be squandered.

Yup, the Shanghai Massacre was one of the stupidest decisions Chiang made. The Communists were all on board with KMT leadership until he decided to remove Commie. I'd add it to this thread as an historical event which triggers me.