New-Atheist Spergitude

Why are so many new-atheist and scientific-materialist critiques of Abrahamic scripture so...autistic? Bereft of context?

Example A: The Tower of Babel. The oft-repeated line to establish the supposed illegitimacy of the Tower of Babel narrative is that, if these fellows were truly trying to reach Heaven, why wouldn't they build a few hundred miles away in the Iraqi highlands where they would be vertically closer to the sky?
This line of questioning totally ignores the very real historical and cultural context of the scene depicted in the book of Genesis, wherein the Tower of Babel was likely merely some early, prominent Ziggurat constructed by a some Mesopotamian priest-king and the part about reaching heaven from its peak corresponds to what we know about the ritual function of the Holy of Holies at the highest level of a ziggurat.

Example B: The supposedly contradictory nature of the Old Testament deity and the various commandments given by Him/It.
This of course ignores the recurring theme in the OT of strife and conflict between the castes, namely the military leaders and ruling families and the state priests and quasi-ascetic prophets, all of whom held different theologies and in some cases worshiped entirely separate deities, all of which were reconciled into a singular culture and theology during a later period.

Can you guys give any other examples of new-atheist critique of religious scripture relying on a sort of static, stagnant view of Biblical history?

>Holy of Holies
That was something in the Jewish temple, not some ziggurat

The worst are the ones that betray a really childish view of the topics presented

>god punished Adam because he disobeyed him xppp

>Example A: The Tower of Babel.

There are Christians who believe the Tower of Babel is much more than a metaphor for a Ziggarut

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Example B: The supposedly contradictory nature of the Old Testament deity and the various commandments given by Him/It.
This of course ignores the recurring theme in the OT of strife and conflict between the castes, namely the military leaders and ruling families and the state priests and quasi-ascetic prophets, all of whom held different theologies and in some cases worshiped entirely separate deities, all of which were reconciled into a singular culture and theology during a later period.

Except that is not what most Christians believe or how it has traditionally been interpreted. The very fact that it is as you described makes the text and everything build on it suspect.

The shrine at the peak of the ziggurat served an identical purpose and was constructed almost identically


>There are Christians who believe the Tower of Babel is much more than a metaphor for a Ziggarut

Well yeah, it's a characterization of the modes of worship associated with the ziggurat and the type of culture from which that mode of worship arises.

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Except that is not what most Christians believe or how it has traditionally been interpreted. The very fact that it is as you described makes the text and everything build on it suspect.

Suspect of what? "Suspect" is subjective.
Simply because adherents of the religions purportedly built upon the foundation of a given religious text have contradictory interpretations of the scripture does not mean there's any excuse for critics of those religions to not have a firm grasp on the historical context of the religious literature itself.

>Why are so many new-atheist and scientific-materialist critiques of Abrahamic scripture so...autistic? Bereft of context?
For the same reason your questions are loaded and condescending.

they pick and choose things that are easily attacked or made fun of

they have to take it literaly to do this, but also because they cannot accept any of it could have any 'deeper meaning' since they negate this

realy its all a circlejerk, most of them dont realy know much about either the bible or any scripture of other religions, even if they read them they just look for logical or historical erors and other such crap

>Well yeah, it's a characterization of the modes of worship associated with the ziggurat and the type of culture from which that mode of worship arises.

No many Chirstians believe everyone literally spoke the same language and God literally changed that, all around 2000BC

>Simply because adherents of the religions purportedly built upon the foundation of a given religious text have contradictory interpretations of the scripture does not mean there's any excuse for critics of those religions to not have a firm grasp on the historical context of the religious literature itself.

Most Christians dont have a firm grasp on the historical context, the very fact as you said that the writers might not have agreed on whether God is Yaweh or Baal, or even the number of gods, and then those stories and texts were later reformed to Yawehism is a huge redflag if what you were expecting is an unbroken chain of contact between God and the Israelites, as the bible implies and Jesus implies when referring to figures in the past.

You might simply disagree that is a redflag, but In that case I would say you're being obtuse

Weren't there Chinese in China speaking Chinese when Tower of Babel supposedly happened?

>they have to take it literaly to do this, but also because they cannot accept any of it could have any 'deeper meaning' since they negate this
Are you implying that it was not historically taken literally.

OP, you're a smart guy, you know the answer is this. They're not smart people, they just want to feel good about themselves, be in some sort of exclusive club, and they want other people to think they're smart. In short, it's a personality thing, not a philosophical thing. That's why it's so thoughtless.

Athiesm is just another religion and one with false prophecies that is

>No many Chirstians believe everyone literally spoke the same language and God literally changed that, all around 2000BC
american evangelicals are not real christians

You commit the fallacy of thinking that "I don't like X" means "X is autistic".

They are not Christians for holding what were standard Christian views until the 19th century?

>Orthodox has never believed in eternal hell or original sin
>Even Augustine didn't think Genesis literal

>until the 19th century

Yeah it is pretty autistic to, for the sake of criticism, take literally a book which claims to be the absolute word of god, the followers of which take literally.

Next thing you'll say is it's autistic to point out how ridiculous the fucking flood stories are because when water floods the entire earth it was SO OBVIOUSLY a reference to the tigris and euphrates river floods even though it doesn't mention them and never points out that this is a reference.

The Bible contains equal parts fact, history, and stuffed-crust pizza.

>They are not Christians for holding what were standard Christian views until the 19th century?
>until the 19th century
*since the 19th century, ftfy
Biblical literalism is just retards reading the Bible without understanding it: the doctrine. It is also a modern invention. Protestants are just a different flavour of atheism

>Even Augustine didn't think Genesis literal
"Unbelievers are also deceived by false documents which ascribe to history many thousand years, although we can calculate from Sacred Scripture that not 6,000 years have passed since the creation of man"

"when the other races were divided by their own peculiar languages, Heber's family preserved that language which is not unreasonably believed to have been the common language of the race, and that on this account it was henceforth called Hebrew"

No.

You might want to read up on the definition of religion.
Also, what prophecies does atheism have?
>The Bible contains equal parts fact, history, and stuffed-crust pizza.

Don't be an overexaggerating retard. Statements such as yours is why some religious people don't take atheism seriously.

>People who believe in a god lack a belief in said god.

Nigga you just went full retard.

>Don't be an overexaggerating retard. Statements such as yours is why some religious people don't take atheism seriously.
As opposed to the entire earth flooding and kangaroos somehow fucking surviving. That makes sense.

Are you literally a short bus rider or something?
Just because the bible is a religious collection of stories and letters that doesn't mean that it is utterly void of any facts or history what so ever. Or are you saying that Jesus praises Pizza somewhere in it?

>The flood really happened guys.

It's void of enough of them to legitamize taking it literally for the sake of criticism, you fucking moron.

Because the true believers take it literally. Atheism is a response to dumbass creationists.

You're the moron, which is evident from your atrociously bad sentence. Care to rewrite it so that it's understandable?

When you stop sucking cocks I will.

>The supposedly contradictory nature of the Old Testament deity and the various commandments given by Him/It.
> the military leaders and ruling families and the state priests and quasi-ascetic prophets, all of whom held different theologies and in some cases worshiped entirely separate deities, all of which were reconciled into a singular culture and theology during a later period.
So you agree?

Yeah, let's all reply to each other about how much smarter we are than those atheists who only care about circlejerking to make themselves feel smart.

Why, are you butthurt that I take all the action from you?

Atheist Christianity-bashers deserve to be condescended to.

Why?

Adults who believe in fairy tales deserve to be condescended to

Enjoy staying cucked by islam for the rest of forever.

I see no reason to believe a narrative is somehow trying to pull the wool over my eyes by handwaving contradictions when the narrative itself admits it was authored by numerous parties from a number of separate cultures and social strata

The first, main and only reason is that most vocal Christians are undeniably autistic and their views.