>Enver's father, Ahmed (c. 1860–1947),[6] was an Albanian either a bridge-keeper in Monastir[7] or a small town public prosecutor in the Balkans[8] and his mother Ayşe an Gagauz peasant.[9]
So he was an Albanian-Moldovan? I thought his whole deal was a huge racist and Turkish nationalist?
his mother is a gagavuz. A turkish etnich group in moldova.
Gavin Jones
Being turk is not about genetics when is this board going to understand that. Our ancestors were already mixed efore they made it to anatolia. Also turkishness is passed paternally generally.
Eli King
Nationalism and Ethno-nationalism aren't the same thing.
Xavier Johnson
I've heard the ottomans tended to base ethnicity on religion, Muslim people were Turks and they though of Christians as Greeks or Armenians. I'm not sure if true though
Joseph Nguyen
>empires assimilate all sorts of populations Mind Blown
Xavier Ward
Ottomans tend to base ethnicity on ethnicity. Period.
Thing was: it was a fucking Empire. Not a nation state. So along with their ethnic identities you had imperial ones. You could be a Greek but also an Ottoman Subject.
Wyatt Green
Were Albanians assimilated enough to think of themselves as Turkish? Again it was Turkish nationalism, not "Ottoman" nationalism (because an empire =/= a nation).
balkanics are turks in denial... including greeks and serbs
Jackson Price
At least put on a trip, post some pics and try to be funny, you just sound butthurt
Liam Hall
load of bs
Charles Perry
why would i be butthurt about not being neither turk nor balkan?
Daniel Gutierrez
What is BS? I just gave you reasons as to why Albanians would assimilate in Turkish communities, on top of that the OP just laid out that a Pasha of the Ottoman Empire was an ethnic Albanian.
Gabriel Jones
makes sense his shitty leadership removed more kebab than anyone else
Aiden Cruz
You do realize that barely any official in the Ottoman empire is turkish?
Being Turkish is not about ethnicity but about culture, they were all culturally Turkish including Enver Pasa
Jack Long
Ofc he was Albanian. The Albos pretty much directly controlled the entire furniture show that was the ottoman empire after some time.
>steal balkan kids and make them jannisaries, let the jannisaries fuck your women and forever giving you a predominantly white western turkey >make albos convert, give them the biggest vilayet and draft them as a fighting force, give albo generals extreme power, >overthrow the memeluks >now the Albos want Egypt >Gib it to them while convincing yourself you still rule it de facto >complain the jannisaries have too much power >muh empire >Albanians in Greece go full WeWuzGreekzNPelasgoiNSheit and overthrow your holdings in 1821 together with a shit ton of confused Slavs and Vlachs >Albania wants to leave too in 1910 and 1912 >Have to deal with albo warbands, remember they're fucking insane and can't be dealt with >loose Albania in 1912 because they took Skopje and it made the other balkanlar realise we weak as fuck nao >Balkans go full Detroit on one another >You think... Meh. Fuck it.
Albanians was a mistake.
Daniel Gomez
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Nathan Cox
a weak excuse to justify the fact that your ethnicity can be summed up as "Anatolia-Greek-Turkic" rape babies.