Did the Holocaust truly happen? Did six million Jews die? Were gas chambers involved...

Have you've ever read the Wannsee Conference Protocol or the Einsatzgruppen Reports? Both of them detail the Nazi government to be involved in mass killings of Jews. Rudolf Hoss, the commandant at Auschwitz testified the using of gas chambers to kill Jews. Hoss also testified that Hitler gave the order to kill the Jews. The 6 million number is the closest estimate we have of the number of Jews killed because so many were killed. It's not wrong to question it, It's just ignorant.

>things that never happen for 500, Alex

Five countrys, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Israel.

22 UN resolutions passed against one, and 5, 3, 2 and none in that order. Guess which country's actually commit atrocities, and guess which are just fixated by third world muslim nations via the UN

You have nations like Senegal on the SC and fucking Saudi Arabia on the on the Human Rights Council, Saudi Arabia, lock up bloggers, kill gays and women as second class citizens Saudi Arabia, the UN and global community is a joke funded by OPEC and China to destroy the west

"Confessions"

>implying confessions are the only evidence
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.de/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

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>Did the Holocaust truly happen?
Yes.

>Did six million Jews die?
Probably less. And half of that was just Polish people of Jewish origin that Israel claims for themselves. Casualites among Ukrainian and Belarusian civilians were probably closer to 6 million.

>Were gas chambers involved?
A bit yeah.

>Did Hitler order it or even know of its existence?
Yeah. He wasn't the mastermind behind all the details though as you could expect.

>Is it wrong to question its existence?
No.

>Did the Holocaust truly happen?
No
>Did six million Jews die?
No.
>Were gas chambers involved?
No.
>Did Hitler order it or even know of its existence?
How could he? It didn't exist.
>Is it wrong to question its existence?
No

senegal seems like a decent place by African standards

Was Hitler real?

Of course. He was the savior of the White Race from its eternal enemy, the Jews.

>jews
>not white
>white meaning anything beyond looking vaguely 'white'

Yes
And 6million jews idk but 11million people did die ,the number of whom were jews i dont know for sure

>Did the Holocaust truly happen?
Yes
>Did six million Jews die?
No
>Were gas chambers involved?
Maybe
>Did Hitler order it or even know of its existence?
I don't know
>Is it wrong to question its existence?
Can you repeat the question?

there are two kinds of Veeky Forums posters

Was George Washington real? Cause all the evidence there is for his existence are coerced statements afaik.

>based on a true story
>the true story ISN'T the holocaust
such damage control

why do you have that image saved

It is pretty hilarious how people get up in arms to hunt down some centenarian who might have guarded a train cart filled with jews&slavs for a a hour or two back in 40s but no one will give a fuck about people that have partaken in more recent genocides.

I have taste

>being this new

The Nazi Germans were famous for their camps and extermination of the Russians as well as Jews, Homosexuals and various other types of undesirables.

The fact that they slaughtered slavs just for their race is proof enough that the Nazis exterminated the Jews. Just keep in mind that in the early war they did this with bullets, but it rapidly became unpopular with the soldiers, so that's why they came up with "The Final Solution to the Jewish Problem." They had to deal with all these jews in the camps and they just decided to start killing them all.

Even if that's not proof enough, all the photographs and reports of dead emaciated bodies should be enough to prove that.

All in all, it's really obvious that the Holocaust did happen, just not as the public eye thinks it did. History is all about arguing about what happened from someone else's point of view, and it is completely acceptable to question the general consensus of history, so long as you use actual evidence. You just have to accept the fact that pretty much nobody will believe you

is this anzu

It happened, though the numbers are not set in stone and some details will never be known. Hitler absolutely attempted genocide and to deny that would be stupid. However, I think it's dumb that some countries detain Holocaust deniers. Putting somebody in jail for a thought is a very slippery slope.

You literally have to go extremely out of your way to be not only charged but convicted for hate speech under the pretext of holocaust denial, and even if you go through a lengthy trial where you're proven verbatim guilty, you can still be left off the hook
But it's not country's having """Holocaust denial laws", it's country's that follow the Civil law system where Hate Speech in general is punishable

As opposed to the US and UK, which come from Common Law system
You also can't deny the Soviet genocides in Ukraine and Russia

It's also important to note that the number of killed Jews is constantly changing. I think it's closer to 5.8 million now. But remember that is not the work of truth deniers but rather historians and other scientists.

Interesting, do you happen to have a direction to point me in for the source?

You're not the boss of me now!

>confessions they never recanted, even as nooses were tightened around their necks

None of the Nordic countries that operate on civil law have holocaust denial laws. Not even Finland who fought with the nazis and lost.

Common law hasn't prevented any of the modern crackdowns on free speech in both of the nations you just listed. It's nothing to do with civil law.

>M-L's being shit means fascists aren't shit!

It's like you think anybody gives a fuck about the USSR in 2016 outside of deluded /leftypol/ recruiters.

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honestly. i am more annoyed that that dont talke about the others killed in the holocaust, the gypsys, poles, slavs, jehova wittiness, fuck ton other groups. i mean 11 million people were killed not just the 6 million jews.

What I want to know is how someone actually managed to lose a fucking libel case in Great Britain.

>implying all of Europe didn't celebrate the gypsies becoming ash

do it again Bomber Harris

>Common law hasn't prevented any of the modern crackdowns on free speech
Literally no one's discussing whatever you're trying to talk about, nonetheless this isn't a board for modern discussion

>the topic is modern laws and modern holocaust denial statutes
>HURRR U CANT TALK ANOUT HISTORY'S IMPACT ON SOCIETY ON HERRRRR

Go away.

>>>/z/

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Yes. The holocaust wasn't, though.

Or the 50 Million Europeans?

the thing about the holocaust is that you not allowed to question it. anytime you begin to have a doubt about the official narrative your labeled an antisemite. how can you accept it as truth if your not allowed to criticize it?

Because 99% of people who question it are antisemites

>retards ITT think history actually happened

>the thing about the holocaust is that you not allowed to question it. anytime you begin to have a doubt about the official narrative your labeled an antisemite. how can you accept it as truth if your not allowed to criticize it?

Yeah, that's why Chris Browning is in a European prison for his anti-semitic holocaust denial. Oh wait, no, that's not what happened at all.

how new

>Hitler literally had a state produced film made about how much his party hated jews that literally ends with Hitler saying he will "destroy the jewish race in europe"

youtube.com/watch?v=yNk_osZWScw&spfreload=10&bpctr=1483852269

deniers might be the most retarded group of people ever. All this shit because they are bored 20 years olds who spend all weekend on neonazi blogs instead of having a healthy social life

>though the numbers are not set in stone and some details will never be known.

yes it is. Its always been 6 million jews+5 million other various groups that were the victims.

just accept that you were gullible enough to buy into neo-nazi propaganda

>Transcripts of Hitler accidentally mentioning the extermination to Himmler

Post the link.

that's a penis

Everybody dreamed of it. It doesn't mean it he really did it.

1 irrefutable fact about the holocaust:

there is no evidence. Without the confessions they couldn't convict anyone.

How come Auschwitz had a pool available for inmate use and even had monthly puppet shows for kids?

How come no Zyklon B was ever found in the alleged gas chambers, despite intense, rigorous forensic testing?

How come only camps inspected by the Soviet Union were implicated in a genocide?

How come the Soviet Union never made public their findings on the four camps that only they inspected which would later be the only camps implicated in the genocide?

How come the over a dozen camps inspected by the allies were all definitively proven to have never had any executions occur?

How come the military peddled rumours like soap made of humans and lampshades made of skin which were later definitively proven false?

How come no mass graves were ever discovered?

How did the nazis manage to incinerate over 6 million corpses in three years using 1940s technology if there were no mass graves, an impossible feat for no less than one hundred modern crematoriums?

How come the allies never intercepted a single transmission about a jewish genocide despite the fact that Alan Turing had cracked all the nazi codes including those going two and from the SS, military generals and Hitler that resulted in allied victory?

Why would Hitler waste money feeding, clothing, transporting and housing jews just to kill them with valuable gas over many, many years, during wartime when resources were precious and limited instead of just having them gunned down by the army?

How was pic related, the gas chamber door at Auschwitz, able to form an insulated gas chamber from which people could not escape?

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

>holocaustcontroversies.blogspot

>holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

>What Part Of The Word Genocide Do You Not Understand?

> The following is a list of evidence on large scale killings in the Auschwitz camp complex, in particular - but not limited to - homicidal gassing. The aim is to highlight the range, diversification and scale of the published evidence on mass extermination in Auschwitz.

>The index already includes a large bunch of material, but is still far from being complete or nearly complete. So more items will be added when new sources are obtained. The readers of this blog are also encouraged to provide any additions and corrections. We would also be happy to include previously unpublished sources if they can be released here.

>How come Auschwitz had a pool available for inmate use and even had monthly puppet shows for kids?

I don't know, krauts did plenty of other weird shit in WW2.

>How come no Zyklon B was ever found in the alleged gas chambers, despite intense, rigorous forensic testing?

I have no idea. I'm not a chemist or a forensics expert, but they didn't even need to gas the kikes when the krauts were already dying via disease and starvation.

>How come only camps inspected by the Soviet Union were implicated in a genocide?

The US actually tried to improve the public image of the krauts post WW2 so the soviet union wouldn't freak out over us re-arming the kraut military. It's nice to have kraut cannon fodder incase the commies invaded west krautland.

>How come the Soviet Union never made public their findings on the four camps that only they inspected which would later be the only camps implicated in the genocide?

So the krauts only made 4 camps to kill people and the rest of them were detention camps right?

>How come the over a dozen camps inspected by the allies were all definitively proven to have never had any executions occur?

I mean what's your definition of definitively proven? Plenty of drug dealers claim the same thing when caught with bags of weed on them, "That ain't mine" and "I dindu nuffin I swear".

>How come the military peddled rumours like soap made of humans and lampshades made of skin which were later definitively proven false?

So lets say they are false, does that disprove all the other evidence, most of the evidence, some of the evidence? Like I said earlier krauts were weird, it wouldn't surprise me if they did make lampshades out of skin.

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>How come no mass graves were ever discovered?
>How did the nazis manage to incinerate over 6 million corpses in three years using 1940s technology if there were no mass graves, an impossible feat for no less than one hundred modern crematoriums?

Let's assume they never found mass graves.

When you burn a human body with clothing on, the body acts as candle wax, and the clothing becomes a candle wick.

This is also how the soviets removed the kraut bodies from stalingrad post ww2. Just put them all in a huge pile and the remains evaporate until there's nothing but chunks of ash.

The crematoriums were only used whenever some high ranking kraut came to inspect the camp. When the high ranking kraut left, the krauts went back to tossing the bodies into mass graves and setting them on fire all at once.

>How come the allies never intercepted a single transmission about a jewish genocide despite the fact that Alan Turing had cracked all the nazi codes including those going two and from the SS, military generals and Hitler that resulted in allied victory?

We did it's called the Höfle Telegram, among others.

>Why would Hitler waste money feeding, clothing, transporting and housing jews just to kill them with valuable gas over many, many years, during wartime when resources were precious and limited instead of just having them gunned down by the army?

This is the same Hitler that thought atomic bombs were a jewish trick and spent x2 the amount America did on the Manhattan project, on the V2 rocket....

Each V2 rocket killed 5-3 people, 3 in the target area and 2 in the factory, each one costed a me262 worth of material and time to make.

Also, it's cheap to starve people to death, krauts gave the prisoners enough food and water to be useful labor for the war effort.

>How was pic related, the gas chamber door at Auschwitz, able to form an insulated gas chamber from which people could not escape?

Because it was re-built after ww2?

>How come no mass graves were ever discovered?
>How did the nazis manage to incinerate over 6 million corpses in three years using 1940s technology if there were no mass graves, an impossible feat for no less than one hundred modern crematoriums?

Let's assume they never found mass graves.

When you burn a human body with clothing on, the body acts as candle wax, and the clothing becomes a candle wick.

This is also how the soviets removed the kraut bodies from stalingrad post ww2. Just put them all in a huge pile and the remains evaporate until there's nothing but chunks of ash.

The crematoriums were only used whenever some high ranking kraut came to inspect the camp. When the high ranking kraut left, the krauts went back to tossing the bodies into mass graves and setting them on fire all at once.

>How come the allies never intercepted a single transmission about a jewish genocide despite the fact that Alan Turing had cracked all the nazi codes including those going two and from the SS, military generals and Hitler that resulted in allied victory?

We did it's called the Höfle Telegram, among others.

>Why would Hitler waste money feeding, clothing, transporting and housing jews just to kill them with valuable gas over many, many years, during wartime when resources were precious and limited instead of just having them gunned down by the army?

This is the same Hitler that thought atomic bombs were a jewish trick and spent x2 the amount America did on the Manhattan project, on the V2 rocket....

The V2 rocket killed 5-3 people, 3 in the target area and 2 in the factory.

The krauts didn't see the point in killing the kikes all at once because they were useful to the war effort so they gave them just enough to not die.

>How was pic related, the gas chamber door at Auschwitz, able to form an insulated gas chamber from which people could not escape?

Because it was re-built after ww2?

When shit like this is peddled as truth clearly it make people woke af

All the bullshit around it adds even more weight to the bullshit

Human soap? Lampshades? Packing them lunch and sending them on a picnic... but lol, they were carriages made to gas people!

Then there were the Nuremberg "witch hunt" trials, with spurting blood chimneys etc. and if you didn't tell them what you weee told too, they would beat you to death

I don't think it happened anywhere near the scale it is pushed on us that it happened. But I wish to fuck it did

It's not like there's room for much else discussion when as soon you talk about it, some faggot won't shut up about the number of jews being wrong.

>The crematoriums were only used whenever some high ranking kraut came to inspect the camp. When the high ranking kraut left, the krauts went back to tossing the bodies into mass graves and setting them on fire all at once.
So how many were cremated, within what time frame, and at what rates? Are these rates viable with respect to modern ovens? If not, then the narrative is not accurate.

Those are the same straw man arguments repeated mindlessly by retarded neo-Nazis. Half of them aren't even true.

>heh, nothing personal kid, but they have been proven wrong, because I said so, Goy

Thanks (((user)))

fucking retarded neo-bigots
that's an argument, right guys?

>How was pic related, the gas chamber door at Auschwitz, able to form an insulated gas chamber from which people could not escape?
This wooden door leads from a storage room for spare gratings into an area called the "wash room" - clearly marked as such on the sign outside (i.imgur.com/duS3xZA.jpg) as a. and b., respectively, put in front of Krema I for all to read. The wall section separating the wash room from the actual former gas chamber no longer exists. So the door pictured never led into the gas chamber, and is therefore not the original gas chamber door.

And also, poison gas doesn't need an airtight compartment to kill (see world war I battlefields)

>Why would Hitler waste money feeding, clothing, transporting and housing jews just to kill them with valuable gas over many, many years, during wartime when resources were precious and limited instead of just having them gunned down by the army?
The did try gunning them down (Ever hear of the einsatzgruppen?) but it was too psychologically damaging to the troops shooting other human beans (including women and children) over and over again day after day, so a new less traumatizing method had to be used.

>this shit again
>every single thread

Once again proving beyond all doubt, that the Holocaust is stormbabbys first encounter with primary sources.

>How come the allies never intercepted a single transmission about a jewish genocide despite the fact that Alan Turing had cracked all the nazi codes including those going two and from the SS, military generals and Hitler that resulted in allied victory?
World News reports began to report nazi massacres of jews as early as 1942 so they didn't have to break codes to know exactly what was happening. Also the nazis were smart enough not to broadcast their dirtiest secret in any manner other than in word or typed memos

>How did the nazis manage to incinerate over 6 million corpses in three years using 1940s technology if there were no mass graves, an impossible feat for no less than one hundred modern crematoriums?
It is quite possible. It takes 2-3 for a modern crematorium to burn a body. This includes putting the body in a wooden container, allowing both those to burn, cooling down the chamber and retrieval of remains.

The nazis would stuff upwards of 7-8 bodies in one oven and didn't have to worry about cooling down and recovering the remains.

How come no mass graves were ever discovered?
Babi Yar?
>How come the military peddled rumours like soap made of humans and lampshades made of skin which were later definitively proven false?
because two rumors are proven to be false doesn't disqualify all the rest of the evidence
>How come the over a dozen camps inspected by the allies were all definitively proven to have never had any executions occur?
[citation needed], this is just nonsense
>How come the Soviet Union never made public their findings on the four camps that only they inspected which would later be the only camps implicated in the genocide?
once again nonsense. The Majdanek camp was liberated by the russians in july 1944 and a documentary crew released a film less than a year later
>How come only camps inspected by the Soviet Union were implicated in a genocide?
because the Germans invaded the soviet union in 1941, and an overwhelming majority of the people the nazis liquidated lived east of Germany. Logistics user.

How come no Zyklon B was ever found in the alleged gas chambers, despite intense, rigorous forensic testing?
I am sure you are refering to the Leuchter Report, the guy hired by a known holocaust deniar to go over to camps in poland that had gas chambers and hack away at the wall of the chamber until he got deep enough to find get a part that couldn't possibly have any residue. Am I right?

>How come Auschwitz had a pool available for inmate use and even had monthly puppet shows for kids?
Puppet shows????? The swimming pool was there because the grounds were used as a polish army barracks during world war I.

Whenever evidence is presented to naziboos they always find some problem with it.

Imagine a world were naziboo's historical burden of proof was applied to all other aspects of history.

Supposedly either Heinrich Himmler or Joseph Gobbels were attending an execution and a shot didn't kill in one shot. The ensuing spectacle of them having to shoot the body again and seeing it writhe must have triggered their innate Germanic efficiency.

It's strange and a bit surreal to think that they gassed the Jews out of sympathy. Ultimately they pitted them for existing and just wanted to kill them as humanely as possible.

>It's strange and a bit surreal to think that they gassed the Jews out of sympathy. Ultimately they pitted them for existing and just wanted to kill them as humanely as possible.

And that's why they performed medical experiments on them and worked those that were physically capable to death? Your logic doesn't line up.

>There are transcripts of Hitler accidentally mentioning the extermination to Himmler.
Interesting... do you have a reference?

That's because many Jews actually have enough money and power to fund and run such efforts. The relatives of people who got genocided in, for example, Sudan usually don't.

nobody from either side of the war denied the holocaust back then including the worst perpetrators

>How was pic related, the gas chamber door at Auschwitz, able to form an insulated gas chamber from which people could not escape?

Seriously dude? A room doesn't need to be 100% insulated from the outside for people to die from inhaling stuff that's in the room, it just has to be insulated enough that concentrations of the deadly substance in the room can reach deadly levels for long enough to kill people.

You have to understand that in a lot of war people's attentions are diverted. A lot of those guys could do what they did basically because German command was more concerned about fighting the war than discipling guys who were ethically questionable but kept order at their posts.

The working to death was for every non-Westerner that the Nazis persecuted. Slavs, Romani, Homosexuals, Jehova's Witnesses, and Scoialists were all put to work in labour camps.

The sad thing is that pretty much all the major powers were performing some pretty twisted experiments on either their own or other people they perceived to be lesser. UK tested gasses on Irish people, Japan has entire books devoted to their medical experiments, Canada built bombers that attacked civilians, and the USA performed executions without trials when they arrived at Dachau. Those people may have deserved an execution from a moral standpoint, but it's just bad taste to kill someone without a weapon after they've surrendered IMO. How can you claim to "liberate" something when you do the same heinous acts in turn?

>UK tested gasses on Irish people

Lolwut?

Sorry it's late. I second guessed myself after I posted that and sure enough I have no clue where it came from. Must have gotten something mixed up.

But they were aggressively suppressing Irish independence while missing the irony of defending their "homeland" from the Germans a decade later.

You have to put that shit into perspective. Is it ethically questionable to bombard population centres and to execute people without trial? Of course it is, but apart from the genocidal campaigns of the Japanese, none of those acts are in any way comparable to the systematic, industrialised genocide of several million people.

>9/11