and that forced Hitler to invade the soviets.
or is it just a lie stormfags tells themself to justify Hitlers retarded two front war?
Is it true Stalin was planning to invade Germany?
Samuel King
Brandon Morgan
The Soviet Union had a plan for war with Germany in the same way the US had a plan for war against Britain, they're drafted in case they do go to war, but that doesn't mean they plan to use it.
Ryan Young
Oh yeah, he was definitely on the brink of attacking Germany, having just purged his officers.
Liam Rogers
FPBP
Leo Price
From what I have heard, Stalin started mobilizing a ton of shit on the german border and it spooked Hitler into attacking.
Lucas Peterson
thats why Germans crossed the border unopposed right?
Hitler didnt just invade spontaneously because Stalin "allegedly" mobilized BT-2s, Barbarosa was in planning since 1939. Hitler got spooked is some retarded ass theory
Jaxson Hughes
Yes all his armies on the border were in offensive positions rather than defensive positions, he outnumbered the Germans on the other side of the border 2 to 1 in artillery, 4 to 1 in tanks, 3 to 1 in aircraft. He had a preponderance of light tanks, which are mostly used in offensive rather than defensive operations.
Stalin himself stated that once the capitalist countries exhaust themselves, he can reap in and take what's left. Not to mention the USSR had spent the entire 20's and 30's pretty much putting all their effort into building weapons and gearing up for war. Not to mention Russia had already invaded Romania and Lithuania in violation of the pact.
en.m.wikipedia.org
>On the other hand, if we accept Germany's proposal, that you know, and conclude a non-aggression pact with her, she will certainly invade Poland, and the intervention of France and England is then unavoidable. Western Europe would be subjected to serious upheavals and disorder. In this case we will have a great opportunity to stay out of the conflict, and we could plan the opportune time for us to enter the war.
Grayson Smith
No, but he was planning to invade the US before Operation Barbarosa happened
Evan Stewart
Germany invading him took him 100% by surprise. They were still giving Germany coal and oil up to the day before Barbarossa. Stalin was so shook up by it he retreated into hiding for days because he thought his fuckup was going to get him killed.
Thomas Thomas
>propose to Europe to invade Germany while it's stell weak
>Europe refuse and feed Czechoslovakia to Germany
>sign non-aggresion pact to not get rekt first
>start war with Finland to have buffer territory near Leningrad and take chunk of Poland when it (not surprisingly) get rekt almost instantly
>expect remodernaise army while Germany finishes Britian
>Germany decide to play on two fronts
>70 years of revisionsim later
>LOL soviets starts WW2 with Germany HAHAHA Stalin cryed like pussy when his loverboy Hitler betrayed him LLOLOLO HAHAHA i'm historian by the way
Jaxon Peterson
My understanding was that Soviets hoped Germany went to a long war against France and Britain and theyd just take some land they could and hope Germany would let them since they were too busy with the others. The short war with France was a pretty big dissapointment. An all out war with Germany was out of the question since they had already experienced it during WW1.
Aaron Morales
Joint declaration between the Soviet Union and the German Reich on September 28th, 1939:
>After the Government of the German Reich and the Government of the USSR have, by means of the treaty signed today, definitively settled the problems arising from the collapse of the Polish state and have thereby created a sure foundation for a lasting peace in the region, they mutually express their conviction that it would serve the true interest of all peoples to put an end to the state of war existing at present between Germany on the one side and England and France on the other. Both Governments will therefore direct their common efforts, jointly with other friendly powers if occasion arises, toward attaining this goal as soon as possible.
>Should, however, the efforts of the two Governments remain fruitless, this would demonstrate the fact that England and France are responsible for the continuation of the war, whereupon, in case of the continuation of the war, the Governments of Germany and of the USSR shall engage in mutual consultations with regard to necessary measures.
Nathan Bell
>i'm historian by the way
Number USSR paratroopers /attacking force/ vs the rest of the world paratroopers by 1940?
Number of USSR tanks /attacking force/ vs the rest of the world tanks by 1940?
Number of USSR /insert military attacking force/ vs the rest of the world /insert military attacking force/ by 1940?
Number of USSR armies deployed against Romania /sole petrol source for Nazi Germany/ by 1941?
Tonnes of ammunition deployed "on ground" near USSR-Germany border by 1940?
More and more and more....
> LOL few more days and you will live in United Socialistic European Republics
Eat your diplomas NOW
Hunter Edwards
Is there a source for all of those numbers, also, did Hitler just surprise Stalin and that's why Operation Barbarossa was so incredibly successful?
Aiden Russell
yes
Read this. It also isnt stormfag blog shit either.
wintersonnenwende.com
Isaac Taylor
If he was planning then why was he shocked and spent days in his room?
Jayden Gomez
He thought Germany would be tied down in a western front WW1 type of battle with France and Britain and didnt expect Germany to win it in a month and he didnt expect Germany to turn around and attack Russia so quickly.
Chase Mitchell
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Jose Edwards
Quads speak the truth
Brayden Hill
Stalin knows what Hitler eat and shit on daily basis. He had several independent intelligence services on world top level. Also, ever wonder where Nazi tank commanders learn to drive tanks while Germany was under "no tanks"restrictions?
Even after multiple signals from intelligence sources Stalin refuses to believe that Hitler is an idiot and will attack Soviets with tanks with under 100 hours engine resource, grease that freezes at -15c and no winter clothing for his army.
Aaron Harris
It's need to be utter retard to not understand that the last words connected with the rest of the sentense
Daniel Anderson
Did you fart or say something related to subject?
Josiah Price
No. It's nonsense.
Stormfag narratives try to justify absolutely everything Hitler did and thus find excuses for everything that happened.
Nathaniel Brown
Stop shitposting Rezun.
Your little pet theory will never be taken seriously, no matter how hard you gonna shitpost or what name you choose to use.
Jonathan Powell
They were building a defensive line, called the Molotov line. They weren't in "offensive positions".
Hitler gave his blessing for the USSR to occupy the baltics, Finland and part of Romania.
Christian Wood
It does not even matter.
What matters is how German intelligence percieved th Red Army and they've percieved them as an easy target in defensive position.
William Richardson
Purging of officers was even before the war with finland, and he went to war with finland anyway
Matthew Reyes
You people know there weren't two fronts when the german invasion began right?
Wyatt Walker
No. Russia had good intelligence. Knew Hitler would be coming.