What was the best European military in existence Veeky Forums

Snarelure
Snarelure

What was the best European military in existence Veeky Forums

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RumChicken
RumChicken

Historially, France.
If you're talking about the best one at its peak, the URSS

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

France like Said
I'd also venture to say Spain since they dominated nautically and the tercio was considered unbeatable for a looong time

Supergrass
Supergrass

implying europe has good armies
disregarding the FACT that africans had the best militaries

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Soviet Union
inb4 Zhukov human wave memes

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Objectively speaking, NATO

girlDog
girlDog

Soviets would've rekt NATO without US support

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

NATO
European

Consider me baited, well done.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

oh, you're serious

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Arkans Tigers

Flameblow
Flameblow

Soviet war machine vs crippled West Germany, collapsing British empire, France, and a few bitch ass nationlets
They would've thrashed Nato, even without support from other Communists

DeathDog
DeathDog

soviet war machine
after WWII

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Wehrmacht (very arguable)

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Quality wise, Carolingan Sweden or War of Austrian Succession/7 years war Prussia

Balance (quantity + quality) wise, pre-war of Spanish Succession France, tercio Spain, or Ottoman Janisarries during Suleyman the great's reign.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

nato without us support is not nato at all. its stupid saying this.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

The Kosovo liberation army

Emberfire
Emberfire

jesus fucking slavs look like pale mongolians

also prussian army as answer

SniperGod
SniperGod

Tercios

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Well then it's not the strongest military in Europe if it relies on outside help.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Is this even a question?

RumChicken
RumChicken

Not a history buff here... why isn't Rome an answer?

I can buy USSR though.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Third Reich

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

get's wrecked by serbian police
gets more ak 47s
serbs start deploying the actual army
cries đenocajd
nato bombs the shit out of serbia
nato does almost no damage to the actual deployed troops, but wrecks industry, infrastructure and government buildings, cluster bombs city centers and even bombs albanian refugee colons (killing up to 500 albanians in total)
get's driven out of kosovo
can't take kosare while outnumbering serbs 6:1 and with nato close air support
get's it's line broken by 2 t-55s
serbia surrenders to nato
WE WUZ FREEDOM FIGHTERS N SHIET

Snarelure
Snarelure

Are you retarded?
America literally dragged those ungrateful Slavic fucks through ww2 with the UK by giving them everything their little hearts desired, otherwise Stalin would have an autistic bitch too about how unfair everything is against him, despite him being happy to fucking sign a truce with Hitler prior
Then after ww2 bounding on all the success that America has let them have by funding their pathetic shithole nation into a global power, turning on its allies like the shifty treacherous scumbags they are

Firespawn
Firespawn

Killing up to 500 Albanians
Topkek, good riddance

RavySnake
RavySnake

Stalin did have an autistic bitch fit about how unfair everything was against him. It's the reason he gave for keeping everything East (and a little West) of Berlin.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

To be fair, look at any similar groups of white women without makeup and you won't see huge differences

RumChicken
RumChicken

Exactly, and all the while his country was being kept afloat my the money and workers of the eebil greedy western powers that totally abandoned him

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

You misspelled Prussians.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Get genocided by the Teutonic order you fag

TechHater
TechHater

Russians are literally pale mongolians

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Qualitywise, Prussia, or Sweden during its golden age.

There's no use arguing for which military was beter as a whole, considering the massive difference in pure population.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Except they factually aren't

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Best for its time or best overall?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Ancient times: Rome
Dark ages - medieval: France
Renaissance - age of exploration: Spain
Age of Enlightenment - age of imperialism France/Britain
Post industrialization: Prussia/Germany

Methnerd
Methnerd

Sweden under Gustavus Adolphus or Prussia under Frederik the Great

TreeEater
TreeEater

Dan Carlin would say that the Swedes and Prussians had this martial "toughness" that their neighbors lacked.

Prussia's army and its successors, the Kaisers heer and the Wehrmacht were the most efficient armies in European history on the level of the romans.

France had wealth and population

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

18 DAYS

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

soviets without russian soviet state would have been rekt (notice how i alsto took the main military soutce of said union)

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

sweden
wtf did swedish army managed to do ever but get out of the kalmar union and genocide lapplanders?

MPmaster
MPmaster

Dunno about earlier times, but:

16th to mid 17th century (1643) = Spain
1643 to 1815 = France
1815 to 1856 = Russia
1856 to 1945 = Prussia/Germany
1945-Now = America (their occupation force)

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

WWI
germany best military force
kek

5mileys
5mileys

19 actually

In total, Napoleon and the Grande Armée had taken only 19 days from the commencement of the invasion of Prussia until essentially knocking it out of the war with the capture of Berlin

cum2soon
cum2soon

also WWII

Bidwell
Bidwell

But then against, Dan Carlin is well known for hating France
It transpires from his Great War podcasts
Dude's just a more moderate Lindybeige

France had the population, but in countless wars they fought and won against coalitions that fielded more men

Inmate
Inmate

But then again, Dan Carlin is well known for hating France
It transpires from his Great War podcasts
Dude's just a more moderate Lindybeige

France had the population, but in countless wars they fought and won against coalitions that fielded more men

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Either the roman legions or the spanish tercios.

Methnerd
Methnerd

or the spanish tercios.

Or, you know, the other two armies aside from the Romans, that actually conquered the continent
What did Tercios ever accomplish?

RumChicken
RumChicken

Plenty, especially considering how small it was.

The entire Swedish army was misstaken for the Kings personal guard once

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Comparing the roman empire to napoleon and nazis' meme empires, which lasted only 12 and 5 years

What did Tercios ever accomplish?
You definitely need more non biased books and less hollywood movies.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

swedes fighting in pargue
outnumber the enemy 1:6
disputed
dafuq happened there?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Quality > quantity
Even when it comes to time

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Swedes attempted taking Prague, managed to take and loot the castle (but not the old town on the other side of the river), and the forces recieved word of the peace treaty before any further developments.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Empires arn't a question of military might, but rather of statecraft. Napoleons France and Nazi Germany had a lots of military might. One might even call them golden ages of warfare

TechHater
TechHater

Macedon 3rd century bc. Name one other European power that has such juggled the middle east and more importantly, Afghanistan

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Napoleonic Grand Armee

Evilember
Evilember

this

Evilember
Evilember

France
holy kek

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Germany, 1941

:-)

WebTool
WebTool

People who know shit all about history always out themselves with the 'surrender monkeys' meme.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

~<:^ )

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Germany + more gas, 1941

JunkTop
JunkTop

For its time?
Rome, without a doubt.

whereismyname
whereismyname

most powerful military historically
Rome, An empire that had no equal on the European continent, who's only real military rivals were the Persians out in the middle east. Hell even the Byzantines had one of the only real professional armies/navies on the continent well into the middle ages.

most powerful today, in 2017.
Russia.

farquit
farquit

The red army is the strongest!

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Those masks on these cavalry helmets make me rock hard

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Yes, they had the best military force, the Allies had the advantage of resources and manpower, not strategy. Had Germany come into Russia's granaries sooner than 1917 the war would have gone much differently.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Add Lorica Hamata, and I'm in love

DeathDog
DeathDog

Easy

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

wehrmacht

efficient

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

well then the romans still win

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Alexander's army. He had Macedonian Phalanxes that were utterly dominant head-on, more flexible troops protecting the wings, and most of all the Companion Cavalry who were by far the best cavalry of the ancient world and the first known Shock-Cavalry.

If you mean long-lasting military spanning generations, I'd say the Roman Legion.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

wtf did swedish army managed to do
killed 1/3 of all Germans
killed 1/3 of all poles
spread protestantism

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

works both ways

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

works both ways
how?
when did the polish army invade Sweden and kill 1/3 of the population?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

False. Shit Navy, shit budget, can barely hold itself together.

Illusionz
Illusionz

England 21st century

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Except Russia is in Europe, the USA isn't

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

France had wealth and population
We literally won against the whole Europe a few times

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I'll aways be partial to the Swedish Empire. They did so much with so little.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

best military
loses all wars

Playboyize
Playboyize

USSR

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

It depends in how you define "best military"
best capabilities of whole nation to send so many equipment and soldiers, so they will overwhelm any opponents in the long run?
on average, best trained and equiped individual soldiers?
best doctrine/generals itd?
which century
First criteria? Roman Empire/France for most of the time. Best soldiers on average? Poland in 16 and 17thC, they went full retard quality. Some mixed criteria, like quantity, but with good discipline? Sweden and Prussia for some time. Etc.

Methshot
Methshot

Lost the only war they fought

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

11-13th Century
Francie, England, Bohemia (not kidding)
14-15th Century
England, Francie, Hussites later
16-18th Century
England, Francie, Spain
19th Century
Prussians, French under Napoleon, England
20th Century-1918
German Empire
World war 2
Germany, America after getting Nukes
Modern times
Hard to say, we'd need some another greately war to be able to tell

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Germans are the best at war. Just because they lost the two big ones doesn't change their record.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

England

Snarelure
Snarelure

is there really any doubt about that?

Skullbone
Skullbone

germans are the best at war

they've fought two and lost them both

if you have a military leadership that thinks it's a good idea to fight the entire world you're not very good at war and you don't get credit for it, you're just a retard

DeathDog
DeathDog

What was the best European military in existence Veeky Forums
The Prussian army during the Franco-Prussian war

JunkTop
JunkTop

The French army during the Napoleonic wars particularly when it was in Germany

Methshot
Methshot

16th to mid 17th century (1643) = Spain
1643 to 1815 = France
1815 to 1856 = Russia
1856 to 1864 = France
1864-1918 = Germany
1918-1940 = France
1945-Now = America (their occupation force)

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

1918-1940 = France

Yeah, but no war happened in Europe during that period, so we may as well just combine WW1 and WW2 together

whereismyname
whereismyname

USSR is the only sensible answer.
They are the most recent great european army, thus the best, because technology.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Except what counts is strength compared to other countries in the era, not to make intertemporal comparisons and go "hurr Stalin would nuke the Romans"

Can't believe some retards dont understand that

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Stalin would nuke the Romans

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

ah yes the aryan germans

Playboyize
Playboyize

Yes, that's why you don't compare an ancient army to an army from the space age in terms of fighting and instead compare them based on their own dominance in their own period. If that's the case, Rome is a viable answer though personally not my choice since Rome's ability to win wars was as much because they had an organized state and their ability to take defeats and later turn them into victories.

Probably British in 19th century or USSR in 20th.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Sure if you consider 0,15 k/d succesfull (soviet)

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Probably British in 19th century

No, kys Britbong
British never had the strongest military in Europe, even at the height of the British Colonial Empire
That's why they couldnt get shit done by themselves and needed France during the Crimean War and WW1

Nojokur
Nojokur

An autistic frog took the time to draw this

Lunatick
Lunatick

needed France during the Crimean War and WW1
Other way around idiot, French were more hardline on France in the Crimean War and the German Empire was more hardline on France than they were on Britain. Not an Anglo btw

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

muh k/d
What are you 12? They had greater numbers, they used their greater numbers in a way that they knew the other side wouldn't be able to deal with, they won the biggest front of the most devastating war in human history.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Nazi Germany, had it not been for Hitler's complete idiocy when it came to military strategies. They would have won in a 1v1 war with any other nation on Earth at the time, including the USSR.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Other way around idiot

You're a literal retard
Neither France nor Britain could have beaten Germany alone, so France needed Britain and Britain needed France = Britain wasnt the strongest military in Europe, but Germany was

Btw, in the case of the Crimean War, Britain's interest were more at stake than France's, and they had to beg for French help because the "almighty" British Empire couldnt deal with Russia alone

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

While the churches eventually worked out their differences and came to an initial agreement, both Nicholas I of Russia and the French Emperor Napoleon III refused to back down. Nicholas issued an ultimatum that the Orthodox subjects of the Empire be placed under his protection. Britain attempted to mediate and arranged a compromise that Nicholas agreed to.
Would love some of your sources on the British "begging".

Also the British only intervened because Belgium was attacked. The UK could have remained neutral throughout the conflict, while France was always going to fight Germany, thus meaning that France need the UK more than visa versa.

takes2long
takes2long

Same goes with Napoleonic France desu

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Also the British only intervened because Belgium was attacked. The UK could have remained neutral throughout the conflict, while France was always going to fight Germany, thus meaning that France need the UK more than visa versa.

That's diplomacy, cretin
We're discussing the military aspect here

Britain couldnt have won alone and thus needed France just as much as France needed them to win the war
Germany didnt needed anyone and was objectively the strongest military power of Europe in that era

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

a frog actually took time out of his day to create this

massdebater
massdebater

I first saw this pic on /pol/ posted by an American 6 months ago

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

its older than that

Bidwell
Bidwell

11-13th Century
England
-15th Century
-18th Century
England
Are you 12 or just shitposting?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Germany in 1914. Fight me.

SniperGod
SniperGod

P I K E A N D S H O T

SniperGod
SniperGod

Marius' Mules.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Antiquity - Rome
470's - 800's = Byzantines (on the account that they're the only standing professional military standing on the continent)
800's - 1453 = Charlemagne's realm, later to become the HRE
1453 - 1680's = Ottomans
1680's - 1815 = France
1815 - 1854 = Russia
1854 - 1871 = France
1871 - 1914 = Germany
1918 - 1939 = France/Britain, both were pretty damn equal at the time imo.
1945 - present = USSR/Russia*

* - the US is not a European nation, and NATO is not a sovereign nation, so those are excluded.

Booteefool
Booteefool

the US is not a European nation

But they're occupying Western Europe and should thus be counted (just like you counted the Ottomans)

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Ottomans count because they have annexed land in Europe, and their capital in Europe.

and is it really an occupation if it's been established by the hosting power to let foreign troops be stationed? it's more of a military access treaty than an occupation man. And I say this because US stations can be terminated at any time, France has done this.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

and is it really an occupation if it's been established by the hosting power to let foreign troops be stationed? it's more of a military access treaty than an occupation man. And I say this because US stations can be terminated at any time, France has done this.

In the case of Germany, the occupation happened by force in 1945 and the statut hasnt changed since
Germany cannot kick its American occupiers out even if they wanted

Evilember
Evilember

Prussia

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Charlemagne's realm, later to become France
FTFY

viagrandad
viagrandad

URSS
France
Hmm I wonder who could be behind this post

Techpill
Techpill

genetically speaking they are also vikings/ Gotlandic/ sweds.

Their name Russians derive from the word "Rus" meaning blonde which was the title given to "viking" traders who traded down the danube and along the silk road.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

The Ottoman Empire.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

The Republic of Ireland
took on Britain with only 3000 rifles
won

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

God-tier:
France, Rome, Prussia

Top-tier:
Britain, Sweden, German Empire

Good-tier:
Spain, Poland, Austria

Meh-tier:
Italy, Portugal, Greece

Shit-tier:
Austria-Hungary, Russian Empire

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

It's 100% true. I cringe every time an Anglo thinks they're the reason Napoleon lost at Waterloo.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Second from the left is kinda cute.

Methshot
Methshot

For its time? Rome.
But the absolute strongest would be Nazi Germany.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Also the British only intervened because Belgium was attacked.
Britain has been allied with France before the war. Had Germany gone through Belgium or not Britain would have weaseled its way into the war regardless like the slimey limies they are.

Emberburn
Emberburn

I'd say 1916-1917. Their generals had the knowledge of modern warfare by then.

JunkTop
JunkTop

But the absolute strongest would be Nazi Germany.
Cant project power outside Europe.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

If England, America, and the USSR are at war with you, there's not much you can do.

iluvmen
iluvmen

italy better than russia
kys

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

If by kinda cute you mean she doesn't look like a fucking man

viagrandad
viagrandad

Nato knew it could not beat the ussr cold war gone hot battle plans were do a fighting retreat to the Rhine and then nuke the shit out of it to halt pact advances without escalating to global nuclear war.

iluvmen
iluvmen

What wars has Germany won?
no counting wars won by Prussia or the tutons.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

That has varied over the centuries.
Most euro-regions have had powerful military might at some point.

But, since the appearance of nukes, and victory over Hitler, the Soviets were the most powerful.
The Russians still have that capacity today.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Red Army kicked their ass.
Idiot.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Because Hitler was a fucking moron, and his forces were divided from fighting all of the Allies at once. In a 1v1 situation with the USSR and with a competent leader, the Nazis would have won.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I've read in a few books that Roman cavalry never actually wore these helmets for battle, and that they were merely for parades and perhaps training.

Nojokur
Nojokur

The Brits after they invented the Bren

Illusionz
Illusionz

How about the one that never (literally NEVER) lost

Nojokur
Nojokur

WW2
Germany
The Wehrmacht was from 1940 to 1943 a good army at best.

Lunatick
Lunatick

800's - 1453 = Charlemagne's realm, later to become the HRE
You mean France :)

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

France. they literally have the best win/loss ratio for wars out of all the European powers.

see above.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I'd also venture to say Spain since they dominated nautically and ...
Wait is that true? I'd have thought that'd go to Britain, or maybe Portugal

Evilember
Evilember

Soviet war machine
all those fuckers had was a mighty hunger for gold and a lot of crap to sell, at least Hitler and Mussolini had the decency to seize the oportunity to test their machines.

TechHater
TechHater

Unrelated, I've often read about Roman cavalry being shit. Is there any basis to this or is it just a meme spewed by Total War gaymers?

FastChef
FastChef

can summon storms
not the strongest empire
pérfida albión too OP pls nerf

Lunatick
Lunatick

sweden only intervened in that war because it had a huge mercenary army after the 30 years war with nothing to do, most of those casualties were not swedes

Inmate
Inmate

British. Armies are irrelevant.

RumChicken
RumChicken

The Cold War is over, what's the point in bashing tyrants with emotional arguments and rewriting what happened?

"America gave those fucks all they wanted?"

America waited more than two years before opening the western front in order to maximize geopolitical gain and minimize casualties.

The USSR "turned on its allies"?

The USSR was INVADED by the allies in its formulative years and after the end of world war 2, "Operation Unthinkable", a plan to betray the USSR eventually leaked to Stalins desk and triggered his paranoia like an SJW tumblerina stumbling upon a pepe

The idea that the USA funded or helped rebuild the USSR, a closed country that was refused from the Marshall Plan and didn't even want it, is just... mind-boggling disrespect towards history.

Is this even english? What is this nonsense? Come on, plebs.

There is so much interesting stuff to talk about when it comes to this era, how dumb do you have to be to cheapen it all down to, "USA saved everyone, we the best, fuck you"?

Is the only way to drill some respect into westerners is to thoroughly drown their countries in Islam and let them experience their first real existential crisis?

Goalposts, goalposts, goalposts. Stalin was a moron in his own right who purged a lot of brilliant military men. It's why the Winter War, despite ending positively for the USSR, was botched so hard.

The Nazis shouldn't have been allowed to annex the Sudetenland- Czechoslovakia could have put up a decent fight if it wasn't betrayed. They were armed to the teeth with excellent terrain to defend.

Also, the Third Reich could have never invaded so many countries if they didn't trade extensively with the USSR in the first place. It simply did not have enough oil and metal in its own borders. Do we just omit that as well when arguing that Germany was the best ever?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

unfortunate that religion btfo'd u guys

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

UK.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Easy, the British Empire

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Wehrmacht

They weren't even the most powerful army in German history

happy_sad
happy_sad

1917

Most of their finest soldiers and field officers were dead by then. 1916 was the peak of their power.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Is this another thread where we post Wikipedia screenshots of battles where smaller armies beat larger armies and we never bother giving any further context?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

You're all missing the point.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

during the Renaissance period, how would the Ottomans compare to Spain?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Czechoslovakia could have put up a decent fight if it wasn't betrayed. They were armed to the teeth with excellent terrain to defend.
... they had incomplete border fortifications in about half the places they had planned to, without heavy equipment, and their plan for a war with germany was literally a fighting retreat to the mountains in slovakia and relying on an immediate french invasion into germany

viagrandad
viagrandad

Wait is that true?
Yes
I'd have thought that'd go to Britain, or maybe Portugal
After the Castillian civil war Spain had the biggest navy. The Dutch were way stronger than Britain at the time as well

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

how would the Ottomans compare to Spain?
They had more soldiers. Those soldiers were worse quality wise. The Tercios overall were way superior to anything at that time

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Franco-Prussian War

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

What is this nonsense?
Spanish civil war
The republic had to spend most of the gold buy russian planes and tanks. So, while the coupists where having fun testing the nazis' new toys and bombing civilians for the first time, the republicans had to resort to inventing molotov cocktails and using tiznaos.

And I'm not cheapening it out, the Allies were all just pussies that didn't even dare enforce the non-participation blockade they themselves had imposed, fearing a world war.

It was like, World War 1.7, with Russia getting money from scrap, Germany finding the perfect testing ground and the Allies circlejerking about the ideological fight between democracy, the far left and, the far right that was taking place there and mimicked the fears sweeping all of Europe.
And of course a blockade and no monies from the US because "lol you sent a handful of voluntary soldiers to help them nazis and you're kinda nazi"

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

9 months compare to 19 days

Firespawn
Firespawn

You mean to say they honour their treaties

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Western Roman cavalry was not good, and so the bulk of the cavalry was made up of auxiliaries. This isn't to say that Roman cavalry didn't exist though, quite the opposite. However because pre-existing "good" cavalry already was at their disposal, the development of a suitable homegrown force was never put into practice. This was also due to the fact that with the Marian reforms, the prestige of being an actual cavalryman was greatly diminished. It used to be that Roman cavalry was provided by the rich equites. They were the first knights of Europe and the Mediterranean. With Marius' changes to the army however, Roman cavalry became entirely state-run. Thus no prestige. With a greater emphasis on uniform heavy infantry, Roman cavalry gained a supernumerary quality. The only people who wanted to be in it were those that preferred mounted combat, or were looking for the opportunity to become a tribune since they had their own commanders.

The Eastern Roman Empire was an entirely different story. The cavalry was the backbone of the entire army, it was developed by them, and was extremely competent. The cataphracti and sagitarii had become the Empires bread and butter; without which they would have easily fallen to the primarily horse mounted armies of the East much earlier.

farquit
farquit

Is the Roman Empire army too easy an answer?

idontknow
idontknow

This.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Provided he removes the "England"s

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

"Rus" meaning blonde which was the title given to "viking" traders

Here's some sweet etymology

According to the most prevalent theory, the name Rus', like the Finnish name for Sweden (Ruotsi), is derived from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-) as rowing was the main method of navigating the rivers of Eastern Europe, and that it could be linked to the Swedish coastal area of Roslagen (Rus-law) or Roden, as it was known in earlier times.[6][7] The name Rus' would then have the same origin as the Finnish and Estonian names for Sweden: Ruotsi and Rootsi.[8]

WebTool
WebTool

England
kek, when they lost to niggers with spears they lost they right to be treated seriously

whereismyname
whereismyname

Thank you.

I've rarely seen someone be so wrong with so few words on Veeky Forums.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Africans
militaries
What are you smoking anon?

Emberfire
Emberfire

Witch one?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Nazi germany would have won a 1v1 vs the yanks

Methshot
Methshot

Roman armies
French
Spaniards

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I forgot post WW2 Red Army

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

sulexman the great
losing to slavs and Landsknecht mercenaries

girlDog
girlDog

Tell me again how strong was Germany in 1918-1937.
In '36 they were still joke compared to Poland

Snarelure
Snarelure

(You) probably don't know anything about history.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

simo häyhä

cum2soon
cum2soon

I think Hitler himself said in 1938 that if France attacked them right now germany would lose. I would say th main reason France lost in 1942 was because they let germany get stronger instead of attacking them right away

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Won't get an argument from me.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

But that's wrong. Most plans were to halt the Soviet advance before they even made it through the Fulda gap.

SniperWish
SniperWish

France lost in 1942

Supergrass
Supergrass

why is this nigga riding such a small horse

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Aurelian's veteran legions in 275.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Of course yjey did, are you trying to claim they won?
They remained under German occupation until America liberated them in 1946

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

France lost in 1940.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_of_22_June_1940

farquit
farquit

cuck a country so hard they become irrelevant in the world forever
shouldn't britain and spain pay reparations to half the world then too, the US too

w8t4u
w8t4u

in 1946
What timeline do you live in that France fell in 1942 and was liberated in 1946?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx


I knew it it's just a mistake
i think that it's sarcasm

Methnerd
Methnerd

I was hoping it wasn't. It'd be some real neato shit.

Evilember
Evilember

I was only pretending to be retarded

FastChef
FastChef

A state compared to a Nation

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Zhukov's walking cemetery at the end of ww2

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

What is the Russian invasion of Poland

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