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>advanced underground aqueduct systems that are 3000 years old
>advanced "wind catcher" systems that ventilate interiors with no energy input
>huge monumental palaces
>the creation of the dome
>first planned urban gardens
>most advanced bronzework of ancient world
What do u mean by Persia? It's like u would say China..
Because of the narrative about all civilization beginning with the greeks before the torch being passed to the romans.
In this story the dirty iranians are the "other" that only exist to be defeated by the handsome europeans.
>Persians
>Underrated
Wut?
If you mean by the Mainstream Western Pop History and Hollywood then its because of this:
Same reason why almost all non-European Civilizations are Underrated
Those of us who focus on Near Eastern history rate them very highly.
Because the Jews hate them and demonize them in Western media.
I'm Greek and even we're not taught anything like that.
They're not depicted as inferior, with maybe the exception of their military, just different and that the wars between us and them be something that would dramatically alter western civilization and world history if they had been the victors.
Are the Iranians of today really the descendants of the Persians from thousands of years ago? You'd think with all those conquests from just about everyone that it's gone.
Many are. But too many UNWISHED arabs and majirs
Depends, they have a mountainus land and mountains make always for good ethnic holdouts.
The south is pretty arabised though, but people know that and dont pretend otherwise.
Id look into the rural people who live in the central mountains
Something about that watermelon just makes me laugh.
This one of the legitimate cases of just ignoring them because they were outside of Europe. Persia was the most advanced society basically from their creation to the point where Alexander destroyed them, and even then, their assimilation into the Hellenic world made the Macedonian successor kingdoms better through osmosis.
>Because of the narrative about all civilization beginning with the greeks
The narrative is western civilization was founded by the greeks, donno where you got all from.
Literaly this
If Americans were aware of the scientific, literary, and engineering contributions of the Persians it would be a lot harder to declare war on them for Israel
Who should I play as/when should I start for a CK2 Persia playthrough?
No such thing as Persia
Maybe the Gilakis and Mazandaris.
Neither the Arabs, the Turks or the Mongols managed to conquer their region of Tabaristan while they would rule as their own state in the north or as a semi-autonomous vassal like they did under the Seljuks/Khwarezmians. All while having Zoroastrianism as the state religion until they gradually shifted to Islam in the 11th century with the help imam ambassadors.
Hell, during the Ziyarid era they reconquered most of of the old Sassanid lands from the Abbasids and were to reinstate Zoroastrianism as the religion over the entire region but the leader of the entire thing was killed by his Turk man-servants. So that started to the shift to Islam and the rise of the Buyid dynasty that would later fall to the Seljuk Turks and be pushed back to their corner of Tabaristan they could not conquer.
They didn't really "fall" until the Safavid dynasty when they opened up completely and joined them in their shitty war-efforts, while the locals that didn't convert to Islam were treated like worse than shit.
Because persians always have been dicks to the west
>ancient greece
>ancient rome
>crusaders
>russia
>russia again and uk during the great game
>islamic republic of iran
enough to hate those furry beasts, they're no different to the turks.
ancient Greece
>implying life wasn't infinitely more comfy under the Persians than the kid diddler greeks
ancient rome
>implying they weren't dicks to each other
crusaders
>Persia's fault how
Russia
>Russia
>western
>also note the size of Russia, compare that to Iran
russia again and uk during the great game
>god damnit iran why won't you just give us all your oil
islamic republic of iran
>literally a result of western interventionism
>ancient greece
E M P I R E
>ancient rome
E M P I R E
>crusaders
The seljuks was a combination of several Turkic tribes.
>russia
not sure what war youre specifying, if its ww2 then the commies buttfucked us over because of "Muh gestapo"
>uk
shouldnt have played with our oil
>islamic republic of iran
shouldnt have played with our oil, taken down our democracy. now we're unconsiously making nukes. thanks.
>taken down our democracy
Total meme. Mosaddegh was just another paranoid autocrat and his coalition was unraveling before the UK/US cucked him.
The fact they were the enemy of Greece really hurt them as well, since Greece was considered the spawning point of western thought and society.
>Iran
>Same as Persia
The Shah tried to bring back that ancient Zoroastrian legacy which caused all Iran to freak out and depose of him and create that Arab death cult worshiping theocracy they always wanted. Why doesn't the West care about that heritage? Why should they when Iran doesn't care either?
Rostam Bavandid of Tabaristan in 867, and go for the Saoshyant event.
you're information is a little wrong there bud.
I encourage you to read a little bit more about the cultural-political climate at the time of the revolution.
>therefore intervention is justified
ya no
Technically it was founded by the Proto-Indo-Europeans, not the Greeks.
But the narrative is different.
because they got fucked over by the mongols and are muslims which just makes the country more unlikable
Some narratives are wrong, period. I hate postmodernism with its "hurr durr there is no dichotomy truth or falsehood in narrative constructs".
The correct narrative is Western civilization began with the Proto-Indo-Europeans.
Go back to sucking Saudi dick.
Your prostitute in Dubai is waiting btw, faggot.
Scaphism for you.
that means that both Persia and the West share a common lineage, which means the east vs west dichotomy doesn't apply!!! HOW WILL I KNOW WHO TO BOMB NOW
Indo-European has 3 branches.
European
Iranian
Indian
Because
1. fuck islam
2. they haven't done much in a long time
who gives a shit about the middle east anyway?
Because Western opinion towards the Middle East has swayed from "meh, don't care" to "KILL THEM ALL" within the span of a few generations.
And because Iranians, as the successors of Persians, are probably the people most capable of resisting Western aggression, they're going to get shit on and all of their achievements are played down.
I know that, I was only stating that the current "popular" narrative speaks of Greece.
(((citations needed)))
>Persia was the most advanced society basically from their creation to the point where Alexander destroyed them
What was mesopotamiA, India and China?
they were one of the advanced, not THE advanced.
>1. fuck islam
tbqh m8, they gave a total fyck you to sauidi wahhabi pigs and created their own version of islam that is at odds with the sunni cult. props to them. Imagine how destructie islam would have been if there were no internal faultlines.
t. hindu
>go to Iran
>look at the qanats
>support the Abbasid rebellion against the united pan-Arab Umads
>then create their own memephats and emirates to fragment the Abbasid rule with some having their own denominations of islam
>Arabs never recovered after this and today still fight cause "muh sunni vs shia" shit
truly as you said, the greatest "fuck you" in history
Persia was better
compare mathematical, scientific, and engineering achievements of all 3 and you will see
Iran literally created the precursor to the scientific method. sorry m8 can't really beat that
Too bad 90% of people don't know this, or even know the origins of Shia Islam
As weird as the Shia are, they are a joy to behold.
>cockblocked the Israelis for decades
>cockblocked the Saudis in their own country
>literally live on top of most of the oil in the Middle East
Truly a gift from God (or Allah?)
Persia is a solid civilization no doubt.
They got wrecked like hell by the hordes sadly.
They're most likely "underrated" as you say because people in schools learn about what is closer to them: Rome and Greece, Medievial Europe, Western Renaissance, and so on.
Even if you pass a degree in History you'll most likely hear very little about Persia compared to Europe
Its underrated because its lumped with arabs for some stupid reason
That and nonone will acknowledge shit as long as the Ayatollah is in power
Pahlavi restoration when?
Those border fuck ups make Karlings look sane.
lurs have the closest language to middle persian but some say they are a branch of kurds
Anyone notice how in the history books from middle school and high school, whenever the topic goes to "ancient civilizations", it ALWAYS goes from
>Babylon
>Egypt
>Greece
And it completely skips the entire history of the Achaemenid and Sassanid eras?? The only time the Persians are mentioned are during the Greco-Persian wars, in which the Persians are portrayed as primitive barbarians trying to stop MUH GREEK DEMOCRACY
Only the Jews could be responsible for this
It's even funnier when you look into what each dynasty stood for.
Like 3 of them claimed descent from the Sassanid royal family while a 4th was made up by a sect of proto-shia Ismailis tried to fulfill a Zoroastrian doomsday prophecy by attacking Medina and stealing the Black stone after they burnt down the Cube.
But Jews love Persians.
Cyrus the Great is the only non Jew to have the status of a prophet in Judaism.
Yeah I noticed it
Cyrus the Great made a mistake.
Having the Juden on your side is rarely a bad idea.
Hence why the Persians get so much good PR in the Old Testament.
I think it has to do with all the burnings from the destruction of Perspolis, the fall of Ctesiphon and the Turks + Mongols throwing their BBQ in the area destroying everything leaving almost no recordings behind.
Most of the facts we got about them pre-Islamic is from the greeks and romans who didn't generally like them.
And IIRC they are still in the process of translating a shitload of tablets from those eras you mentioned found in Iran, which is a slow process.
Cyrus the Great should have assisted the Babylonians in exterminating all Jews. If he could peer into the future, he would have decided to do that.
and yet Israel has been trying to convince the world for the past 30 years to go to war against Iran
This is what we get for being goyim
But the Shah and Israel were bros.
I have to imagine Cyrus would exterminate all the Arabs to prevent Islam from showing up and ruining his civilization.
sounds like some elder scrolls shit
also see
and look up the Daylamites, now those guys were fucking hardcore
He would have exterminated both the Arabs and Jews.
>Muslims never show up
>Jews and Arabs remain bros
>Persians tell the Jews in advance about Jesus so they can gank that nigga before he causes problems
>Middle East stays mostly zoroastrian, with a little bit of Juden
Happy end.
>with a little bit of Juden
No thank you.
I am not in the mood to debate with someone who is obviously a Jew themselves. Keep your Faustian contracts to yourself.
Atheist. I come from an Episcopalian WASP family.
But yeah, vitriolic antisemitism is something that only really existed in European Christendom prior to the rise of Wahabhism in the 19th century.
I blame German autism.
may Anatolian and Tocharian RIP
somehow feels like a "muh feels" argument.
Literally cannot quantify and compare what independent civilizations did especially when some are extinct today.
Look it up faggot
China's technological development had been less than stellar. >muh paper, >muh gunpowder
India has a slightly better record with it's understnading of the number 0, developments in trig, some medical stuff, etc.
Babylon was bretty good. they even had a battery. But Persia had jacuzzis powered by farts, so show me something that can beat that
>they even had a battery
If you are talking about the Baghdad Battery, then it's believed to be developed inbetween the Parthian-Sassanid period, cause of the Sassanid style on the pottery.
So that's more Persian memes.
>While some researchers refer to the object as a battery, the origin and purpose of the object remains unclear.[7] In March 2012, Professor Elizabeth Stone, of Stony Brook University, an expert on Iraqi archaeology, returning from the first archaeological expedition in Iraq after 20 years, stated that she does not know a single archaeologist who believed that these were batteries
Wouldn't the Jews love the ancient Persians, though?
Look up the holiday Purim. They commemorate the deaths of our magi, so no, they don't like our Pre-Islamic heritage. They just appreciate Cyrus the Great a little bit, that's it.
The Shah and the Israelis were also bros.
in his ideal world he would have given them a convert of die ultimatum
he settled for freeing them and returning their land to ensure loyal subjects