Geographic Determinism

Is geographical determinism real or just a meme?

Why are countries in the higher latitudes better off than those in between the tropics?

For significant times of human history China, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt, Turkey and Crete were above and beyond the capabilities of northern Europe.

Time, climate and shifts of power changes things.

Nice maymay, the Arabs were never ahead of Europe, which is why they were defeated at Tours in the West and could not defeat the Byzantines in the East.

Determinism has always been a limited framework.

But from a historical materialist perspective you could argue that the combination of geography and the technological progress of the last centuries created the conditions which made the development of the highly advanced societies in Europe and Northern America possible.

But conditions are just that, a sort of foundation. What shall be built upon these foundations is anyone's guess. But where the conditions lack, say deep in the African jungle, certain modes of development are a priori impossible.

Determinism is thus only valid in a negative sense. It only determines what will not happen, because the necessary conditions are absent.

What about Eastern Europe and Central Asia?

Gommunism bucked the trend

To a degree. Varying seasons and connections with other culture and therefore import of technology is a big plus. There's a reason the mediterranean sea was a hot spot
>sea alows to travel greater distances in less time than travelling on ground plus the possibility to carry more goods with less people required (no mountains, no other inhabitants impairing the routes, no horses to feed etc.) thus more exposure to other cultures and technology and trading possibilities
>linking ground for three different major cultural regions (Asia, Europe, Northern Africa)
>Seasons to a degree which increase problem solution skills
>Moderate weather conditions (no complete cold, no complete desert or jungle)
Countries with many rivers and different cultures experience the same
>India
>China
South American terrain also has a lot of rivers but a much more hostile fauna and flora with little to no animals to domesticate.
You'll see major cities evolving alongside rivers or close to shores due to this. Though advancing technology diminishes some disadvantages it can also increase advantages like advanced sailing, there is a reason all major colonial powers had an early access to the atlantic.

I think the OP was talking about modern times dude

It is almost always an important factor. Even between 2 neighbors in similar environments the course of rivers, coastline and broken terrain can influence economics and warfare and thus society, culture, politics and even religion.

It might seem innocuous, but if the river Jordan led into the Mediterranean it would be full of foreign merchants, John the baptist might not have been as well respected for his education by the local and Jesus might not have gained as much notoriety.

Geographic determinism is real but it's not a "be all end all"

It goes as far as to explain the basics of resource availability and the building blocks of civilization, but it's really just a framework for a larger picture.

in other words, it's real in that you can't expect Polynesia to undergo an industrial revolution because there's no iron to be mined in the Pacific islands. Or that you can't expect Sub-Saharan Africa to get that far off the ground because their native crops like Sorghum produce far less calories than crops further north like Wheat and Maize, making Sub-Saharan Africans work harder just to produce enough food to feed people, or better yet just not even try and remain nomadic gatherers because trying to grow sorghum is seen as not even worth it.

Countries in the higher altitudes typically needed to devolp more complex(but backwards) social systems in order to make due with the scare resources imposed by seasonal variations.
The tropics where typically abundant with resources and didn't have the need to form complex societies in order to live, although they certainly did.
This means that the northern latitudes devolped systems that where exploitive of other social systems in order to survive (feudalism->capitalism->colonialism->international economies->neoliberalism) the tropic latitudes fell victim to this exploitation.
Just a small part of the powers that be, it's more ecological systems than geography(which determines ecological systems but not social-ecological systems) that are doing the determining.

Its all about availability of game, in tropical areas there is game everywhere so you dont need to think to survive, in temperate climates there is far less and in polar climates there is barely any meat period so you need serious thinky thinky skills to live.

If you dont believe me, just remember your human intelligence is caused by environmental pressures allowing a specific kind of genes to replicate in our species leading to our higher intelligence.

Heck scientist have discovered our hunter gatherer ancestors might have been smarter than us.

>higher altitudes
>northern latitudes
I sure fucked that up, meant to say polar latitudes and high altitudes

He didn't mention Arabs once in that post.

It doesn't have much to do with intelligence, it has to do with what is required to exploit resources from your environment as explained hereMore of what the social system is doing rather than what the individuals in the system are doing.
This emerged from the environmental constraints placed on the people that shaped how the system worked, not some inborn ability of the people themselves.

You could argue Egypt.

>which is why they were defeated at Tours in the West
They conquered Spain and Sicily
>and could not defeat the Byzantines in the East.
They conquered North Africa and West Asia from the Byzantines

he clearly meant ancient egypt or else he would have said something like "the mamluks"

>nomadic Gatherers

Barely anyone h&g'd in Africa by time of contact.

What about South Africa huh?

Hitler was right.
"Blut und Boden", Blood and Soil, determines a nation's destiny.

No.
North America was nothing but shitty amerindians, just like the southern cone. Similar thing with Australia.
This is just how the present looks like.

>India, Pakistan
You mean India ? Pakistani meme was created 70 yeas back