Is Russia European?

Is Russia European?
Is Russia Western?

No.
No.
Read about Peter the Great. He was all about trying to Westernize Russia and become more like the Europeans.

but he succeeded
so yes Russia is European, but maybe not western

Depends which side of the Urals you're on.

Yes

Most revelant part of Russia is western part in Europe. Which is like 75% of population live there. And nearly all of those people are white Russians.

There is no doubt that Russian culture is European. Racially however, there are lots of people who originated in what is considered Asia. The vast majority who live in the western regions are European though, racial non Europeans make up a minority of the population.

Kievan Rus are European, and modern Russia is largely descended from them.

The region itself is not a part of our understanding of what can be considered Europe. Russia is not European, but it can be co sidered Westernized. I don't mean Western, but westernized.

It's European, which is just an arbitrary geographic term.

It's also Western, but only in the same sense that modern Japan is Western. Before the 18th century they were essentially a separate civilization derived from Byzantium rather than the Latin West.

>but only in the same sense that modern Japan is Western
Neither Japan not South Korea is Western. They have certainly been influenced by certain western products, but their intellectual traditions and mindsets are not at all changed.

Really? They don't have universities or parliaments in Japan or Korea?

Russia/Ukraine tries real hard to be accepted as honorary European

just the way HAPAs are...

Partially
No

Different poster.

Universities are not a western concept. In northern Africa, Universities developed out of Mosques. In Korea and Japan "Universities" existed for centuries: First as confucianist temples, then as libraries, then as proto-Universities similar to Platos academy. I was in one of those so called "temple of literature" (translation from Viet) just a few days ago. They date back ~1500 years. If you actually go to Japan/Korea you'll so just how different they are culturally.

t. Lived in SK, Jap and visited most of SEA.

>Is Russia European?
Yes. The intellectual, spiritual and cultural center of Russia is in Europe. The Russian Ethnos is European. Most of Russia's population is of European background. Out in Siberia is Siberian tribes and lots of barren land. It's an integral part of the Russian nation but hardly enough to make it something other than a European power with territory in Asia.

>Is Russia Western?
No. Russia is an Orthodox nation.

WE

Absolutely it is European.

I feel it's the opposite, like everyone considers Russia European but Russians pretend they're a special snowflake country that defies civilizational spheres.

You'd think so but no, not really. The values and expectations one has internalised growing up in a western, european society are utterly useless in Russia. Russian people and institutions adhere to distinctly different logic.

>pretend they're a special snowflake country that defies civilizational spheres.
Europe is a big place. Depending on how you define "civilizations" it isn't a stretch to say Europe is composed of several of them.

>That map in which Germans claim that Alsatia
>French sure are mad!

It seems to me Russia always was paranoiac when it came to the west. Even when Russians recognize the economic superiority of the west, something always prevent them to be fully integrated in Europe.

>Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy and Chekhov are not Western literature
>Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky and Prokofiev are not Western music
>Tarkovsky is not Western cinema

Yes, there are non-Western elements in Russia, a lot more than in England or France. That doesn't make it a non-Western country, just like gypsies and Irish travellers don't make France or England non-Western.

If I was Russian I'd be ashamed of Tarkovsky. Pretentious dogshit.

They don't "claim it." they're saying Alsace is culturally central European.

Those aren't universities. Universities are a very specific form of higher education which developed in medieval Europe and spread to other countries as they Westernised. Other forms of higher education in other civilizations are completely separate developments and have little to nothing to do with modern universities in those countries. Furthermore, the entire educational system of these countries are Westernised.

In places like Japan, Korea, and almost every other country, the institutions of education, government, business, and so on are adopted directly from the West rather than based on the historic institutions of their past civilizations. The leading ideologies and philosophies of these countries are also derived from Western Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment philosophies and concepts like nationalism, socialism, democracy, liberalism, human rights, etc. However different the popular culture is in these countries, whether it's Japan, Russia, Botswana or Thailand, the civilization they live in is Western.

Post-18th century Russia is Western, or at least Westernized. Before that it's not.

no
no
this is like saying Russians are white.

>Russians
>white

Back to /int/ retard

They're asian mostly, at most even the western russians are 'grey' area racially.

Except literally any genetic research proves that assertion wrong.

Proofs? I'm Russian myself, but me and most of my Russian friends have Asiatic features.

...

Don't ask such things

you gonna start a civil war

Russians get mad when you treat them like they aren't European but then they resent when you ask them to act like they are.

Well, that's disappointing. After all, being an Asian high-IQ ubermensch is better than being some white subhuman

Tarkovsky wasn't Russian

Only East Asians like the Japanese are high IQ. Central Asians are complete retards.

Smart enough for the mongols to fuck everyone's shit up senpai

Mongols are negro level dumb.

They're European. Just the niggers of Europe.

They just like to pretend they're super unique and try to include the rest of the Slavs and Orthodox peoples into their sphere, as any empire would in their place.

yes

until the commieshits in which they became uncultured zombies

DO NOT SPEAK OF THE GREAT MONGOLS THAT WAY YOU SWINE.

thats bullshit though. the kievan rus interacted heavily with scandinavia, hungary, poland and germany

then you are probably asian, I too am russian (family traced back many centuries), and am almost identical to a Scandinavian save for my dirty blonde hair, not tall/medium stature, and non-blue (green) eyes.

Korea and Japan are westernized. They aren't western. Big difference.

Fuck off larper redditor

I think until the fall of Russia to the Bolsheviks it was Western.

Okay but it lost its standing and turned into a backwater shit field after the Mongols

>implying Communism wasn't a product of Europeans too

the world isn't a bubble where all civilization are completely temperate from each other

I'd say the part of Russia that is west of the Ural mountains is considered in Europe

Rest is asia

They also interacted with Mongols and Turks, so I guess that means they were Western Viking Mongol Turks?

Interacting with a culture doesn't make you a part of it.