Redpill me on the spanish civil war, por favor

Redpill me on the spanish civil war, por favor.

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Primo de Rivera did nothing wrong.

Fascist revolt supported by the army and reactionary groups attempts to take down left leaning republic supported by socialist and anarchist militias but the movement gets hijacked by reactionaries during the civil war and, after wwii, bought by the US becoming neo-liberal

Commies and anarshits try to install a bloodthirsty dystopia and cry opression when they are prevented from doing so.

Flip around the revolters. It was an attempted military coup that Co opted the scattered fascists after their leader was executed by leftists. The fascists were the loose leaders of a variety of right groups that the nationalists used as auxiliaries and security forces.

I used the term fascist because the coup was orchestrated by the Spanish Military Union wich was a fascist group within th army. When i said fascist revolt i din't mean that fascist militias were the main force of it, i wanted to say that the ideology behind the attempted coup was fascism

there were no good guys

great depression happens

military decides to coup

republicans were doing ok but then randomly decide to stop being pro-democracy and become hardcore stalinists

they alienate the vast majority of their supporters and had Franco a victory, who is basically a meme version of fascism and only really cares about restoring order to Spain as opposed to killing all the jews and trying to take over the world

Hobbes is unequivocally proven to have been right all along once again

Reactionary coup de etat problems going back to mendizabal

the spanish civil war is basically all about every single thing that had been going on in spain up until that moment
the diversity of languages and cultures, the fact that not all liked the monarchy, or just that monarchy in particular, the various political movements showing up in europe at that moment (also a symptom of a disease that had been going on for much longer)
basically a conflict of many sides and facets where some got together then stabbed each other in the back (like the various nationalist movements with the republicans and the communists) and where, as always, the militarily strongest ended up winning

Carlistas finding a way to win a war through turning pseudo-fascists

CNT-FAI did everything right, but got ICEPICKED

Which side had the people with them ?

both
that's why it was so cruent

The left

No. There were elements within the military that had been trying to kill the Republic since its very inception.

It had nothing to do with fascism but with the military being the military and doing things the way they've been doing since 1833; the king on top, the military second and w/e civilian government to be removed as/if when necessary according to the criteria of the king, military, oligarchy and church, in this order.

So some of them, leaded by General Mola, decided to take the power just like they had been doing every now and then during the XIX, problem was that this wasn't the XIX anymore and people did actually care.

Due to Spain's relatively slow, yet progressing, industrialization more workers moved to cities and were able to learn about different ideologies. They were also more aware of the state Spain was in at that time.
The inflation going up after WWI was, therefore, affecting workers much more than it would prior to the economic development and urbanization of Spain. That is why more people took out to streets to protest against the rule of Primo de Rivera. This resulted in the fall of the Spanish monarchy and implementation of a Republic.
During this short-lived period of time, where Spanish was a Republic, Spain's society was divided between the rather Socialist (although included Anarchist and Communist parties) Front Popular and the CETA (the right wing parties belonging to the previous leaders and elites).
The first round was won by the FP, then CETA and then FP. After the murder of the Minister of Finance, Sotelo, a CETA supporter, the army that was in favor of CETA revolted against the FP rule, which would subsequently lead to a civil war.

a war that oculd have lasted three months lasted three years.
Franco was a murderer and socialists were incompetent dreamers

>the militarily strongest ended up winning

There wasn't that much of a difference. In fact, in the beggining the Republic was in a position where they could have removed the coup, as the Navy remain for the most part in the hands of the government and Franco's Army was stuck in Morocco. Until the Nazis and the Brits helped him cross into Spain via transport.

The problem was that the Republic had become a sort of fucking rolling circus in which a variety of political factions where doing their own way. The anarchist in particular fucked the Republic shit up big time. By the time the commies cucked the fuck out of all those political factions, removed the rolling circus and implemented unity of action and discipline in the army, it was too late.

The Republic.

But the Falangists had tanks, fighters, arms and ammunition, and other aid from powers like Germany, and oil from the U.S. and U.K.

To me, all the things you mentioned are part of being militarily strong.
Like being able to cross a strait, or being organized and disciplined.

there's a difference in being militarily superior just by yourself or by the support of other countries
that user has a point

Sure, but I didn't really specify anything on my first post.
I just said, if you have a big enough army, you win. Which might sound like an obvious truth but to a lot of people, including people who prefer to discuss ideologies and hating your neighbor for having slightly different morals than yours, aka the guys from the Republic (and many people these days), isn't.

just one tip, the ones hating people and forcing their morals were the national side who almost threw the country back into the middle ages

I never said otherwise.
They just didn't argue as much with themselves.
The cost of freedom is that you have a harder time forming a uniform army.

>hating your neighbor for having slightly different morals than yours, aka the guys from the Republic
and yes, while the fascists were more or less just one big side the republican loyals were a ton of different factions plus the political situation

But that's what I said.
Or what I meant.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.

They weren't 'one big side'.

Falange wasn't monarchist and certainly wasn't pro-clerical, the Carlistas were the polar opposite, the military was the military, the CEDA was yes we can into Oligarchy, the Church was the Church and etc.

But they all stood together and focused 100% on the things they had in common: fuck the Republic and win the war. Then Franco eventually proceeded to cuck everyone under his wings, eventually giving birth to that peculiar, bizarre shit known as Francoism.

In the other side, for every reasonable, moderate republican calling for unity, you had 10 useless catacucks, 5 moscow-approved commies, 4 non moscow-approved commies, 2 catholic basques, 20 manchildren, 3 syndicalists, 2 ex-convicts, 1 bullfighting aficionado englishman, 1 anti-hitler czech legion and 8 anarcholibertarians making the agro revolution in the mounts of bumfuckistan, and obviously 0 international support except the one achieved by moving the entire gold reserves of the Bank of Spain to Moscow. All of them setting up as #1 priority masturbating to the sound of their own voice.

That's why some won and some got utterly rekt or ended up in dreadful refugee camps in France treated like shit by the French (before becoming like 75% of the '''''french'''''' Resistance in WWII)