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>Too many threads about how you would personally have successfully invaded Russia, if you were the Nazis.

How would you have successfully invaded the United Kingdom (and maybe even Ireland), if you were the Nazis.

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>How would you have successfully invaded the United Kingdom (and maybe even Ireland), if you were the Nazis.

I enlist the help of aliens to blow England away with their magical space tech.

There is no fucking way that Sealion could have ever worked in 1940. The fucking colossal fleet that the Allies assembled for Overlord, the one that had literally more than 4,000 specialized landing craft, could only cart over about 5 divisions, and maybe another division's worth of independent units. The Germans are going to be nowhere near that amount of sealift, even if they're completely unopposed on the water, which isn't going to happen.

If I absolutely HAD to be in charge of this shitshow, my recommendation would be as follows.

>Bull through Vichy France, demand that Franco let you through his country to secure Gibraltar.
>This is not likely to work; so you'll have to smash his little country
>Spend a couple of months fighting through the Pyranees.
>Secure Gibraltar sometime near the winter of 1940-41.
>Let the Italian fleet out
>Try to do a sealion in 1941 sometime, aided by the Italian fleet to hold up your channel crossing and with some more transport vesssels, whose number you should be adding to as soon as France falls.

Bear in mind, I still don't think it would work.

Speed. Launch the invasion as fast as humanly possible and hope to deal with the logistical headaches down the road. Time is not our friend, and the longer the eternal Anglo gets to prepare, the harder it will be for us and more likely the Slavs will decide it's go-time.

>invade

The siege was going fine. Just ease up on air battles.

>The siege was going fine.

Under what standard was it going 'fine'?

They actually did a rather decent wargame back in the 60s-70s with a bunch of former Wehrmacht officers and British officers on each side.

Apparently the Germans would have made a bridgehead in Kent, and then got smashed when the weather turned, disrupting their naval landings, and then the British Channel Fleet arrived. Much of the German army was trapped without ammunition in the Home Counties ports and surrendered, unable to be evacuated.

Or even a proper siege?

It was pretty improbable for Germany to actually pull Sealion off, mostly because the Kriegsmarine was severely lacking in amphibious infantry transport.

All in all the Kriegsmarine was pretty underpowered, especially compared to the British home fleet, where the Germans doubled down on U-boat development and only had 2 top of the line battleships, not nearly enough firepower to clear an opening for a beachhead.

like said, the Germans could probably secure a beachhead, but wouldn't get much further without securing total naval and air superiority, which they were unable to accomplish on both counts. Without that superiority, there would be almost no way to transport the landed troops back to the Continent should something go awry, leaving the landing force stranded and forced to surrender.

Do you have a link for that ?

The difference is that the Invasion of Russia is more interesting. Sealion wasn't going to succed with the capacities the 3rd Reich had. For Barbarossa there was a realistic perspective for a german victory.

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I wouldnt
Id try to embargo the fuck out of them with uboats and cut all lines of communication
Id rip their colonies from them and then put so many mines and uboats in their waters that it would take millenia to clean it all up
Id use their island as waste disposal and shoot the nations industrial waste into their shores with our giant cannons
If their arial defense goes down i wouldnt bomb them id use them as a trash dump and use repurposed bombers to turn london into a garbage can
Id demoralize them so hard that they would have greenland level suicide rates

>Germany would have won WW2 if I was Führer
oh i am el o el ing

>germany could have achieved a better result with a leadership that has knowledge no one in the time possibly could have possesed

Its just interesting speculation. No one really wants the Nazis to win.

Your forces would get cut off and be a unable to resupply within a few weeks. You would have almost no heavy equipment. You would end up losing badly and quickly.

You wouldn't be able to 'seaze colonies' without a surface fleet and the size of force you could deploy would be defeated by local militia.

You wouldn't be able to mine the place to the extent you arr describin without complete surface control either.

U boats where on the losing side after a few years of te war and the ww2 effort caused no where near the destruction that ww1's did.

The tactics you describe require complete naval domance which germany had no chance of achieving.

>No one really wants the Nazis to win.
Entire board full of 'em, and we have a lot of diaspora.

Because the Luftwaffe had to fly across the channel they could only utilize a fraction of their fighters to maintain continuous fighter cover. The majority of the RAF would immediately focus on the area of the landing, achieve air superiority and utilize daylight low altitude bombing because of the urgency.

Nah, they'd just provide enough cover for the RN to wreck the Kriegsmarine. Way simpler.

Destroy the airways and radar bases instead of bombing London. Keep air superiority. Hunt the RN with naval bombers. Amass two sub fleets on each side of the English Channel to hold it for 72-96 hours. Bomb the Brit coastal garrisons in Southern England to oblivion with every Stuka/tactical bomber we can send. 20 Wehrmacht divisions will be enough to conquer Britain. Supply them with air drops, or even using subs. Burn London.

>Destroy the airways and radar bases instead of bombing London.

At most, this causes the British to move their airbases out of Me-109 cover. And even that is doubtful.

>Keep air superiority.

How? They both build planes faster and lose less of them.

>Hunt the RN with naval bombers.

The Home fleet is based in Hull; while your naval bombers can reach it from the mainland, your escorting fighters cannot. If you want to go after them, your bombers are going to suffer horrendous losses each sortie. Plus, the bombing efforts of Dynamo demonstrated a poor track record at sinking stuff on the water.

>Amass two sub fleets on each side of the English Channel to hold it for 72-96 hours.

How the fuck are they going to do that? Assuming they don't get sunk by the mines, you're asking submarines to fight in shallow water against ships that are bigger and better armed and armored than they are. There's no fucking way they'll last 3-4 days.

>Bomb the Brit coastal garrisons in Southern England to oblivion with every Stuka/tactical bomber we can send.

Do you understand how support bombing works? You don't have the tonnage to "bomb every coastal garrison to oblivion".

> 20 Wehrmacht divisions will be enough to conquer Britain

You can't get 20 divisions across. You'll be lucky if you can get 2. Overlord, which had a lot more resources to work with, transported 5-6.

> Supply them with air drops,

That worked so well in say, Demyanks, or Stalingrad.

>or even using subs

What, you'll just run them up to the beach?


1/10 please see me after class for a possible brain transplant.

The only way the Germans had a hope of performing operation sealion properly would be to win the war in the east first and heavily concentrate on naval production for about 5 years using the production of the entirety of Europe. All this while suffering continous raids, bombings, sabateurs and general inserrection (all heavily supported by the UK in skills and supplies).

For them to win in the east they would have needed to avoid stalingrad, not let Hitler interfer in his generals plans and essentially get rid of all the nazi ideology.

If they had thought as a purely anti soviet force and supported the creation of some kind of russian state they could have attracted 100's of thousands of red army deserters to join their army and skew the balance in their own favour. This is completely impossible without the Nazi's evolving into a completely different organisation.

The Germans fought very well but the scales where tipped massivly against them from the start.

This is the correct answer.

People acting as if it were possible in 1940 in this thread do not belong on this board.

/pol/ is a board of peace you xenophobe shit

you play too many video games and don't read enough history

Why not just take Gibraltar from the Africa side? They already had troops there and wouldn't have to even bother with Franco.

Navally invade a fortified place with sink shipping cannons. I don't think so senpai

How about instead of ww2 alt history we talk about what would actually make a difference in world history. A different outcome of WW1

Because Gibraltar is crazy fortified and armed to the teeth, and is basically a cave complex jutting some 1,300 feet from sea level. Attacking it by invasion from sea is probably impossible, and I'm not even sure if a JU-52 can reach from the nearest infrastructure in Algeria; and even if they did, they'd have a real tough job ahead of them.

That's of course, assuming the RAF squadrons based there don't shoot you down or the battleships that hung out there sunk all your ships.

I mean, the only tentative "plan" the Germans had was Felix, and Felix called for a conventional assault overland from Spain.

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In the Sandhurst war games, Germans were allowed to establish a bridgehead for the sake of actually having something to wargame.

Neat

>Under what standard was it going 'fine'?

The hungry britons selling their pans and pots to make more fighter planes and people giving away their car and only walking around with the monthly allowance of oil in a tube, trying to catch a ride in exchange for the fuel way.

Brits were never hungry as a group. In fact, due to being forced to eat a mostly vegetarian diet with little junk food, they ate healthier and better during WW2 than at any time in history.
Fighter planes are not made from steel or copper, and Brits also never had a shortage of aluminium.
I think it's hilarious that there are people like you who believe Brits were on the ropes and starved while having the resources of the world while Germany, which was completely blockaded, was doing fine.

Tbh air supply worked at Demyansk, but otherwise yes, no way the Germans are even going to land, the tiny Kriegsmarine got wrecked in Scandinavia, no way they could survive against the RN.

Air supply worked at Demyanks for a group on the defensive that just needed to sit tight and be relieved and was about a third of the size of the prospective Sealion force. It was in no way capable of taking the offensive, which requires enormously more supply.

Form an alliance with France, and get Russia to bounce England out of Norway, thus denying them a build.
Then France grabs the channel, supports me into the North sea and we both attempt to convey armies across.