Alternative history: Ancient rome didn't split but kept on expanding further into central, eastern and northern Europe, withstood the Ottoman/muslim expansions and continued to colonise the new world in the 1500-1600's (as independent European states did in our timeline).
What would we see?
They get recked by mongols
that's cute
Wouldn't happen because it would always collapse when it got too big. It's just not sustainable with that level of technology.
How do you know Islam or the Ottoman Empire would even exist in this timeline? And how do you figure religion in Rome would change? That is would christianity still be the official religion down the road? Would Christianity itself have undergone transformations under the Roman Empire, different from Protestantism and Eastern Orthodox?
You can't assume everywhere else things progress as usual, except perhaps the Americas since they were so cut off.
>Wouldn't happen because it would always collapse when it got too big. It's just not sustainable with that level of technology.
I'm gonna need some more reasoning before I accept this statement as fact.
I think christianity would remain as the main religion seeing how it remained in both parts after the split. How christianity itself would transform is difficult to say though. Furthermore, I think Islam would exist and so would some islamic empire or kingdom due to Islams expansionist nature, but the borders would obviously be different (reduced outreach into Europe).
Europe would be China: Western edition.
Every different language would be considered Roman, despite being vastly different. Everything outside of their sphere would be consider barbarian because the people surrounding them were steppe nomads.
So in essence they'd get rekt by Huns and Mongols and we get a Roman version of the Yuan Dynasty.
>mongols control both east/west civilization
>trade/innovation/science booms
>mongols of east/west combine into the sole super power
Idk maybe it found the aztecs in the new world, realized they were like long lost cousins and joined up mated and created super new world Rome and continued to end game all other civilizations to rule world???????
You are not allowed to use the phrase "wouldn't happen" when discussing Alt History.
That's assumed, because it didn't.
Though if Rome never collapsed, I am questioning where the hell the Ottoman Empire, or even the Muslims, even came from.
>They would have needed some pretty huge reforms to make that work, by the split the empire was a mess in many ways. They would need a merit based bureaucracy, a more centralized army not prone to rebellion, and a reformed economic system.
The biggest contributing factor to the Mongol victories were that the major powers they were fighting were in a period of dissolution/civil strife. China was split between three countries that were fighting constant civil wars. The Muslims were doing some major infighting at the time.
If Rome wasn't in one of it's civil strifes that were common after Augustus then they could resist. Otherwise they'd be fucked.
>a Roman version of the Yuan Dynasty
We called them the Ottomans
>Alternative history: Hyper War never happened and we'd be conquering other galactic groups by now.
What would we see?
Europe becomes stagnant like china and ultimately gets wrecked by mongols, who estabilish western mongol dynaty and every few decades sends millions of slave soldiers to die fighting eastern mongol dynasty in eternal war for dominance, eventually grinding the contested middle east and central asia back into stone age. They eventually began colonizing Africa and New World, pturning them into another battlefield untill both are nothing but wasteland with scarce survivors. Eventually both empires collapse back into nomadic hordes, degenerating even further, the art of writting, metalworking and eventually even horse riding is lost and all the remains are bands of maraduers with stone hatchers killing one onother and living like wild beasts, eventually through evolutionary preassure preffering savagery and brutality over intelect tuneing back into animals and the light of civilization is forever extinguished.
Actually it wouldn't be very cute user
The reason the Roman Empire split in the first place was because it became a nightmare for normal men to manage.
Either your hypothetical senario ensures every Emperor is Augustus tier or its going to split.
this.
maybe theres an alternate timeline where OP isn't a faggot that makes threads that aren't related to history except tangentially.
ALTERNATIVELY: Prevent Rome from getting big at all by allowing a Carthaginian victory in the First and Second Punic Wars.
If you stop the empire, you stop the Crisis.
>You are not allowed to use the phrase "wouldn't happen" when discussing Alt History.
>That's assumed, because it didn't.
Not really. Just because something didn't happen doesn't mean it would be unrealistic to think it could have happened.
>You are not allowed to use the phrase "wouldn't happen" when discussing Alt History.
Earth getting turned into a solid block of cheese in 3000BCE, extincting all life on the planet but daymn tasty.
wouldn't happen
Europe would've been as stagnant as China.
>historical fan fiction
>high level of discourse
Go back to alternatehistory.com, fucking cuck
>not just a shitpost but a shit post
>tries to reinforce it with superfluous meme insult
yeah, at least you tried
>Ancient rome didn't split
Stopped reading there.
Enjoy your empire ending civil wars
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Ian the Cuck detected. Don't you have dissenting opinions to ban? :^)
There are always 2 or 3 faggots who want to be argumentative pricks. Do you not get the point of these discussions? We're exploring what would happen from that point on, not rationalizing what events would lead up to it.