What are the differences between Fascism and National Socialism?

What are the differences between Fascism and National Socialism?

nazis justify their illusions through pseudo science and reasoning based on presupposed ideas

National Socialism was a branch of Fascism with a strong emphasis on racial ideas, particularly the superiority of the Germanic Aryan race.

Looks like spelling/grammar to me

Fascism was Italian opera,
National Socialism was Wagner.

the first one is muh mare nostrum
the second is muh lebensraum

both are retarded incoherent movevents forged by butthurt left over from WW1

Honestly, not much. They both loved hierarchy and tyranny.

so does communism

>so does communism

Really? In what sense is the theory of a stateless, moneyless and classless society hierarchical and tyrannical?

See: Soviet Union, People's Republic of China

Neither of which were Communist in practice. They were Marxist-Leninist states.

...

#NEVERTRIED

Stalinism is a fascist ideology at best

It's true though. The definition of Communism from Marx's own mouth is a society that is stateless, moneyless and classless. If a society doesn't look like that it's by definition not Communist.

Now, that doesn't mean the Soviet Union and Maoist China weren't absolute destructive and heinous shitholes, but lets be clear about what we're talking about.

I didn't say that at all.

why do people with no understanding of fascism use the word so frequently?

#NOTREALGOMMUNISMxD

How?

Fascism LARPed as the Roman Empire and a big thing of the Roman Empire was letting conquered peoples alive so long as they paid their taxes and didn't rebel.

Nazis just wanted to kill everyone in the east and replace the conquered populations. Fascism had no such genocidal interests.

Aesthetics, mostly.

Kieran?

Both were predicated on restoring glory and a return to the power and strength of age-old civilizations. The Italians and Rome. The Germans and their recently dissolved empire, as well as the HRE.

Nazism really is not something separate from fascism. If we hold the PNF as the gold standard of fascism from which we base all judgement on other would-be fascist states, Nazi Germany ticks nearly all of the boxes.

Nazism's organization and manner of government is very similar to fascism's, yes, but it had enough things to merit being seen on its own. Genocidal intent, eschatological beliefs, and the whole ideology of lebensraum have no real analogues in Italy and are what guided the Nazis to do the things they did.

Couldn't you see a parallel between lebensraum and the Italian Empire's aspirations of retaking Roman clay in the hopes of revitalizing a new Rome? This would tie in with the eschatological beliefs as well, as it'd be Mussolini's destiny to retake what was once considered rightful Roman land.

Nazism is fascism. Fascism is not necessarily Nazism.

Fascism: Jews have lived in Italy for 3000 years just let em be but kill the commies
Nazism: DER JUDEN MADE US LOSE DER WAR! KILL THEM!

I disagree with this parallel because fascist expansionism, to the best of my knowledge, was just about bringing other countries under Italian control, but not necessarily removing the people in these countries from them. Lebensraum involved actually replacing the native population with german settlers, being inherently genocidal.

Fascism placed less emphasis on racial theories, because they were greasy Italians who look more like Arabs than Europeans

National Socialism sure, but the ideology of Fascism goes back further than the end of the first World War.

I can't say for sure either, but the main point in comparison is the emphasis on outward expansion and conquering of other states for reasons that tie back to nationalist beliefs centered around ethnic/cultural/religious/historical significance.

The concept of lebensraum itself is borrowed from Italy's spazio vitale. But you're correct in that Mussolini simply wanted other Mediterranean states within Italy's sphere of influence without an extermination along racial/ethnic lines.

both are leftist ideologies
who cares?

Nat Soc and Italian fascism share many similarities but they are often tied to their national roots.

Fascism had what he called corporatism which has a very different meaning than what Anglo may think of the term and is actually very close to syndicalism. Very roughly, this is a modified version of the guild structure of some ancient, medieval and modern cities.
Nazis were more "modern" (no positive connotation, I mean modern in the sense of le current year) in that their system was bureaucratic and "scientific", with government employees in a central administration issuing regulations faster than they were gassing the twenty gorillonz of Jews.

commies stink lol

Because there is no true understanding of what Fascism is anymore. Essentially, it is a traditionalist Authoritarian regime with a single, powerful leader at the helm. This definition could represent a large, perhaps even overly broad number of different states throughout history, and Stalins USSR is no exception.

cultural nationalism and corporatism vs racial idealism, eugenics, and Keynesian economics

Go post that on /pol/ you'll get 8 (yous) easy son lol

that's not true at all
fascism isnt traditionalist or reactionary, it's an ideology that is inherently modern because of its approach to the state and power, traditionalist ideologies place religion and aristocracy above the state whereas fascism clearly dictates that religion must be to the service of the state
as well fascism doesn't always have a single powerful leader as Mosley's fascism still wanted to keep a parliament
your definition is really just based on nazism which isn't a fascist ideology at all, it's simply branded as such by teachers in high school because it makes it easier to teach

as well fascism has very clear ideas that are completely seperate from the way Stalin ruled his country
fascism is never atheistic, the soviet union was
fascism sees the state as the solution to all social problems, stalin was a communist and thought all social problems as a result of wealth inequality and other materialistic reasons
fascism embraced hierarchy, often with corporatism, the soviet union reviled both of these and rejected them

among many other reasons too, the fascists absolutely hated Stalin, and vice versa, simply because of ideological differences
to claim Stalin was a fascist is basically being an edgy teenager who's just read Bakunin

nazism is the shittiest ideology out there
can you imagine your ideology being so weak that you have to justify it through warped pseudo science
/pol/ is just full of edgy normies who by rejecting the modern left haven't understood that the nazis were absolutely terrible

Fascism

>WE WUZ ROMANS N SHEEIIT

Nazism

>WE WUZ ARYANS N SHEEEIIITT