Its not "conservative". Most conservative parties on the planet do not oppose large government or support free market. They want big government to preserve traditions and culture with an economy that services the nation instead of the other way around.
They are closer to liberal but that isn't it either. Classical liberalism holds social liberal values and isn't interventionist, opposite of being socially conservative and projecting military across the globe.
They just love corporations and whatever values their voters want. Not that the democratic party is much better.
Also sidenote, the names Republican and Democratic Party are so fucking stupid, they both support democracy and republican ideals. What the fuck is up with those retarded names? Seriously.
Their ideology is to maintain power at all costs. Same as the Democrats.
American politics was a mistake and the Constitution was badly written.
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parliamentary system and run off system when I'm fucking sick of this shit
there is nothing more pathetic than Democrats defending the cia and saying Assange is scum
There's no such thing as Conservatism or Republicanism.
It's why they have no intellectuals.
The whole point about Conservatism is to seem like an alternative to Liberalism whilst possessing Liberal values with a different name.
Conservatism doesn't have the enlightenment behind it and for that reason, shall always remain feeble.
The United States lacks most of the historical basis for traditional conservatism, such as a landowning aristocracy or a political influent military, even the basis they do have, a religious population, is fragmented into various churches, instead of a single, inflentual one.
So, with the exception of the religious right, the Republican Party is non-ideological and just follow whateve its donors tell them to do. It's not unlike those Third World catch-all parties that are merely venues for rich people to intervene in politics.
Trump may change that if he sends the GOP in a right-wing populist path, but I think he lacks the discipline and intelligence for that.
The Republican and Democratic parties are both classical Liberal ideologies in the general sense, but neither of them have values that are completely consistent with that ideology. Honestly the closet thing you will ever get to a consistent political ideology in America is Libertarianism, and they're classical Liberals as well.
Actually, the reason conservatism doesn't have intellectuals anymore is because, during the 1960s, liberals invited street gangs into universities and used them to pressure campus leaders to expel conservative teachers and hire communist activists.
Ah yes, obscure events in the 1960s is what stopped those intellectuals.
Why didn't they form their own protests or movements?
Why did Liberals die during Monarchy to express their ideas?
Really makes ya think
Liberals during monarchy are celebrated and promoted.
The problem with conservatives is that they actually believe in principles. They should act like leftists and shut down their enemies when they have the chance, exterminating them if possible.
What are you on about? Monarchs destroy their enemies all the time.
If they did they wouldn't lose.
Most often they don't even have the power to do so.
They were mostly on the winning side throught history, its only recently that liberalism has completely crushed the monarch.
Since the 1960s its Neo-conservatism.
They want more votes than Democrats
There is no such thing as a "winning side of history". The last ideology that obsessed over it was Soviet communism, and look how it ended.
Since we only have two real parties they become a bastard mix of all ideologies and fairly incoherent
Americans and Soviets alike were completely obsessed with "winning" and it sure looks like America "won" to me. It may look like there are no winners and losers but thats only because the winners write history.
this.
In American Politics the Party holds almost zero power over its individual members. A person seeking office simply picks the Party his/her opinions align most with/ has the biggest chance of winning, and then run for election. Parties are vehicles for people to become elected, and those who are elected then spread their ideology to other members of the Party because other people seeing the stunning electoral success of this other person, copy that person's position to obtain office.
Terms like Liberal and conservator, and Republican and Democrat are simply shorthand created by the Parties to aid in bypassing the voter's thinking minds and appeal to their sense of identity.
We just want our country to be the most bad ass country on earth, job opportunity, safety, and for everyone here to be dedicated to the idea of freedom.
Keep the government out of my fucking business although evangelical republicans are guilty too of wanting to enforce their beliefs on others
>the Constitution is bad meme
Oh look, yet another retard on Veeky Forums.
And yet Russia still stands, and considers itself the successor state to the Soviet Union. A Soviet Union that underwent reforms and disbanded on its own rather than being forced to by American arms.
The Soviet Union 'falling' is just American propaganda so they can tell themselves they won. The fact that Putin himself has stated several times that he considered communism to be something like a the bible to russia, and the 2nd largest party in russia is the communist party, tells a better picture.
I maintain that Trump is a natural product of the political system of the United States.
>that he considered communism to be something like a the bible to russia
And this is why the Russian will forever be retarded drunks.
>Literally the President
>"...Trump is a natural product of the political system..."
Wow. So wise.
> parliamentary system and run off system when I'm fucking sick of this shit
Literally the worst possible system, that guarantees the best candidates are shut-out by coalitions of incompetents ganging up to game the system, insuring ineffective government that tries to impossibly please everyone, resulting in shitty compromise legislation at every turn that doesn't represent the will of the People.
Of course he is. He's the perfect natural product. Do you see how downright corrupt the two parties were getting? The DNC was literally rigging parties, conspiring with the media and engaging in widespread collusion. The end game was globalism and continuing to sell out the average American while appearing on their side through petty social issue memeing and welfare handouts to expand the slave class. Clinton was the epitome of establishment corruption and duality.
But there were people who were not happy about how this was gradually happening and wanted a stopgap. A businessman saw the opportunity to be that stopgap and took it. States most affected by the negative events of the past 30-40 years and untouched by media brainwashing flipped red and our government is getting positively turned on its head. The system worked beautifully.
SAY THAT AGAIN AND ILL SOCK YOU IN THE GODAMN FACE, and you'll stay plastered
I have actually begun to unironically believe that the best system of government would be a non-hereditary monarchy coupled to an advisory cabinet. Like how Gibbon's Five Good Emperors picked their successors from outside their families, or did until Marcus Aurelius fucked it up.
>I have actually begun to unironically believe that the best system of government would be a non-hereditary monarchy coupled to an advisory cabinet.
Here, here!
Which goes to show how bland and pointless American politics are. Both parties are just catch-all big-tent ones that pander to a voting base to get into power.
Not that Europe's much better. Politics used to mean something, now you got the allegedly right-wing CDU promoting immigration and the destruction of whats left of German culture. Same with the "right-wing" Tories under Dave who are the ones that passed gay marriage in the UK.
American "conservatism" was developed post WWII as basically a coalition of everyone not included in the New Deal coalition
>whatever values their voters want
>implying that this part is a problem
It's a coalition of Conservatives, "Conservatives (Reactionaries)", a large majority of moderates (for the US), tea party members, and military leaders.