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Eigthfold Path > Ten Commandments > Five Pillars >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 620 Mitzvah

Its a reaction to american imperialism in the middle east.

What western imperialism the one that allows the gulf states to pave their highways with gold or the one that prevents Palestinians from driving the Jews from the river to the sea?

>MUHAMMAD MARRIAGE LIFE

According to Islamic belief, the main objectives of Muhammad's marriages can be divided into four.

1. Helping out the widows of his companions.

2. Creating family bonds between him and his companions (Muhammad married the daughters of Abu Bakr and Umar, whereas Uthman and Ali married his daughters. He therefore had family bonds with all the first four Caliphs).

3. Spreading the message by uniting different clans through marriage.

4. Increasing credibility and sources for conveying his private family life. If he only had one wife, then it would have been a tremendous responsibility on her to convey Muhammad's private acts of worship and family life, and people would try to discredit her to destroy the credibility of these practices. However, with multiple wives, there were a lot more sources to the knowledge, making it more difficult to discredit. Therefore, his marriages gave more women the opportunity to learn and teach the matters of his private life.

"THAT'S A LIE, HE MARRIED THOSE WOMEN BECAUS-"

Oh, and also, with the exception of Aisha, MUHAMMAD ONLY MARRIED WIDOWS AND DIVORCED WOMEN OR CAPTIVES , as of the reasons stated from previous post.

Muhammad married Khadija when he was 25 and Khadija was 40.

Stop bombing people.

As for Aisha, it was common in Islamic and Biblic days that man married younger woman.

It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into "women", then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage.

That's why it is a wide spread practice.

Saudi Royalty is truly pieces of pieces of shit.

The problem with Aishas age is that people use Mohammed as role model and think it's still chill to marry a 6 year old and rape a 9 year old.

Bullshit

aisha was 19 when she was married

>Ibn Kathir (1301 – 1373), in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya

>"“Asma died in 73 A.H. (After Hijra or Emigration to Medina) at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha.” This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H. and Aisha 18 years old. Then in year 2 A.H. year of the consummation of her marriage to The Holy Prophet Aisha should have 19 years old""

read

Also the imperialism which divided iraq and is trying to divide syria at the moment.
Also those gulf arabs aren't really something to be proud of they are the worst that could come out of the islamic world at this moment.
They are hypocrite degenerates which value money too much.
Also mecca is becoming a fucking theme park under the saudis which keep destroying historical buildings for hotels etc.

Why can't muhammad stop sucking cock?

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Dont be silly. All serious scholars agree on the 6/9 the only ones who dont are those trying to stop the west thinking mohammed is a paedophile. Dont let modern politics make bad history.

Almost no muslim country aside from te ones bordering anarchy think that stuff still flies in this day and age.
Countries like turkey and tunisia have higher age of consent than many european countries.
It was basically a different time and most muslims know that.

i don't give a rat's ass about your afghani/wahhabi scholars who try to justify their pedophilia

muhammed married aisha at 19
that's a historical fact in the sirah

Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)

Therefore, since women, children and the old were klled in the 9/11 attacks, these terrorist attacks were illegal under sharia law.

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sirah = fact?

LOL!

It's a wide spread practice in the Middle Eastern at that time.

My grandma married when she was 14 years old. And she's a little over 80 right now.

The minimum age for marriage in the US-State of Delaware in year 1880 was """"7 years old!""""

And this is just 130 years ago.

Hadiths are not 100% waterproof

however the sirah is

it's about 40 times more credible than randomly collected and compiled hadiths

plus some hadiths literally contradict themselves (some hadiths claim she was married at 9, some say 7, some say 6)

Tldr follow the sirah

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>it is perfectly acceptable to rape children

Sex with children is not necessarily rape.

>beat your spouse

Nothing wrong with this.

>cut off the heads of disbelievers

Not of all disbelievers, but only of some of them.

>throw stones at peoples faces until they die

Nothing wrong with this.

fuck off

fuck off even harder

you're both wrong

t. a muslim

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>appearantly we are constantly raping girls
>be me
>still be a virgin

Tbh those who insult the religion of peace should be beheaded.

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>implying there is anything wrong with not being the religion of peace
>implying there is anything wrong with beheadings

Fuck off, hippie

Do you live in the Middle East? How can Muslims combat the current perception of them in the west? Trump got elected on a wave of anti-Islamic sentiment

So what if that was the marriage age at the time? Shouldn't someone that speaks to God know better? It is a crock of shyte. Also, there are no significant conversions of Christians to Islam.

Ok, last one, time for sleep.

If I wanted to learn about Islam, what would be the best way to go about it? Just read Quran?

>what is the conquest of anatolia by the turks

Honestly you're better of reading wikipedia than diving straight into the Quran

Honestly you're better off killing yourself than believing that shit.

And boys too. Really how are you still a virgin?

>there are no significant conversions of Christians to Islam
>who are Albanians
>who are Bosniaks

checked

no i live in north africa (tunisia to be exact)
The only way to combat how the west sees us is to tell wahhabis (Saudis) to fuck off, wahhabis are the #1 cause of barbaric shit like jihad,beheadings,stonings, etc etc

read the quran and hadiths
have any questions? go on one of those Q&A muslim websites and they'll explain it to you

Yes, I agree with . The Quran need commentaries. Here's also a good website to learn the Quran:

islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=1&verse=1&to=7

Have Veeky Forums read FAQ of Islam?

Here:
ing.org/top-100-frequently-asked-questions-about-muslims-and-their-faith/

Just read it, you and I want to make peace, not enemies. Read it on your free time.

When Muslims stop ruining our countries then we can talk

Youre countries were ruined by hedonistic people who chose career over family.

Meant your*

What is Islamic Golden Age? Look, it prove that Islam can create a Utopia. Can a brute savage religion create such a thing? Never.

We all have our downfall. The terrorist right now is 1% of 1% of the Muslim population.

And not only that, the media are double-standards. When the Christians, Hindus, Jews, Monks, ect, goes terrorist, they are called terrorist. But when the Muslim goes terrorist, they are called Islamic Terrorists?

Be fair, you and I both want to create a Utopia.

>tfw when been waking up for Fajr lately and never missing it

Feels good man

Pilgrimage to Ka'aba isn't for the building, it's a deep symbolic mistery behind.

You're a Veeky Forums autist first, and a muslim second.

Shamely today we suffer the pain of the sunni/salafi heresy(es) widespread in our world..

>Youre countries were ruined by hedonistic people who chose career over family.

They had their problems but they didn't have knife wielding immigrant gangs and people getting shot and knifed by people we mistakenly treated as equals.

>What is Islamic Golden Age?
Something that happen 800 years ago and had no resurgence or return.

>an a brute savage religion create such a thing? Never.
Tell that the Genghis Khan.

Here is how savages create golden ages
-Conquer Civilized places (ie Persia, Levant and Egypt)
-Dont exterminate the population
-Allow these places to trade and carry on business with the threat of other civilised places or other barbarians invading
-Tadaa Golden Age.

Look at the fate of the Mongol empire and the state or their original lands and you will see a mirror image of the Muslim empire.

>We all have our downfall.
And most never return.
>The terrorist right now is 1% of 1% of the Muslim population.

Thats still millions of people, and it ignores the fact that Islam can not mix with western or christian values. At best they can form benign little enclaves but thats about it.

>And not only that, the media are double-standards.
Because they dont claim their religion as their motive, when Dylan Roof shot up that church he wasnt shouting Jesus is Lord.

Terrorist attack are overwhelming Islamic and dispraportiatly represented in statics both globally and in western countries. Even though you might be a tiny percent of the population you hit above your weight when it comes to violence. - Its much like how blacks are only 12% of the US population but commit around 50% of the murders.

>Be fair, you and I both want to create a Utopia.
A Utopia that has the submission of the entire world as its goal. It was only Strength that stopped the Islamic Conquest in Spain and the Balkans.

>The terrorist right now is 1% of 1% of the Muslim population.

It's actually 1% of 1% of 1% of the Muslim population

>western or christian values

What did he mean by this?

>Terrorist attack are overwhelming Islamic and dispraportiatly represented in statics both globally and in western countries
>in western countries

Pic related

>It's actually 1% of 1% of 1% of the Muslim population

Still close to 2 million people

>Pic related
How dishonest can you be to use a graph that ends at 2013? - cutting out the huge attacks that have been carried out since then.

That would be like someone using Japans economic growth from 1986 to 1991 to prove its economic dominance.

>What did he mean by this?
The ideas of religious and political tolerance (forcing people to submit and pay a special tax is not tollerance)

Respecting Women as equals and not people who get a secondclass life and second class heaven (because hey women dont deserve partners in the afterlife right) or having a word worth less of that of a man.

Central Asian Islam is the only cool Islam. Drink booze, eat whatever's available, no autistic fasting or praying, buddhist and pagan influences, and still call yourself muslim to trigger arabs.

>Genghis Khan
But do their golden age results in huge leaps in culture, knowledge, arts?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

And do their golden age resulting in another golden age for some race? The Jews Golden Age was during the Muslim Golden Age.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain

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>don't claim as their motives
What is Crusade? What is KKK clan? What is kill those who said that the earth is flat?

How much longer until the Muslims finally eradicate the m*ngols?

Its like you ignored my entire post about how savages can still create increases and knowledge which contradicted your main point

Do you admit that you were wrong when you said "Can a brute savage religion create such a thing?Never."

>What is Crusade?
Something that hasn't happened for about 1000 years despite ample opportunity.

>What is KKK clan?
A group with less than 5,000 members which hasnt murdered anyone for half a century and killed a portion of the 3,900 (max) racial violence victims during the past 150 years.

>What is kill those who said that the earth is flat?

Zero in Christian societies.

>Still close to 2 million people

It's close to 170,000, retard. Are you unable to do basic math?

>forcing people to submit and pay a special tax is not tollerance

If that is true, than none of the Western countries is tolerant. Name one Western country where you are not forced to submit to the state and pay taxes.

>Respecting Women as equals

You do know that it's only very recently that women became equal to men in the West, right? For example, in Switzerland, women gained the right to vote only in 1971 and were not allowed to vote on local issues in some cantons until 1991. Plus, there is nothing wrong with gender inequality, you fucking feminist.

Gee user, I wonder who fault is this?

The Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990:

middleeasteye.net/columns/unworthy-victims-western-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990-39149394

Also, that Assad guy, he used chemical weapons. Plus with Western keep killing civilians and stealing oils, then maybe the people won't pick up weapons and fight with revenge against the Western and their government.

>It's close to 170,000, retard. Are you unable to do basic math?

Yep I messed up

>If that is true, than none of the Western countries is tolerant. Name one Western country where you are not forced to submit to the state and pay taxes.

Nice trick, the issue isnt taxes its being taxed especially for not being a muslim. No Western country will force you to pay an extra not christian tax.

>You do know that it's only very recently that women became equal to men in the West, right? For example, in Switzerland, women gained the right to vote only in 1971 and were not allowed to vote on local issues in some cantons until 1991.

And in Australia its been for over 100 years and around 80 for almost all other western nations. We shouldnt have to set our clock back just to make people who think a womens word is worth half of a mans because she has a vagina.

>Plus, there is nothing wrong with gender inequality, you fucking feminist.

See even the idea of women not being second class citizens on earth and heaven rustles you.
>Gee user, I wonder who fault is this?

Its funny how just like the progressive treat blacks as children you too treat your own people the same.

"We literally have no moral agency environmental factors force us to travel over to western countries and kill them, we didn do nuffin and need moah money for dem programs"

But westerners oh yeah they have full moral agency of course.

The Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990

Anti communist struggles in Asia killed millions of people as well, yet you dont see South East Asians going around cutting off heads and bombing people for that.

Muslims literally killed 200 people over this picture.

Jizya is not simply a tax on non-Muslim, it is essentially a fee for protection provided by the Muslim ruler to non-Muslims and for the exemption from military service for non-Muslims.

>See even the idea of women not being second class citizens on earth and heaven rustles you

It doesn't "rustle" me, I just don't see anything wrong with gender inequality because I'm not a feminist.

>it is essentially a fee for protection
yeah nothing like good old fashioned extortion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket

>exemption from military service for non-Muslim

Which was demanded even in times of peace and as a sign of submission.

>Jizya expanded with Delhi Sultanate and continued during most of the Mughal Empire rule. Alā’ al-Dīn Khaljī, a Sultan of the Khilji dynasty who ruled over most of North, West and parts of Eastern India, from 1296 to 1316 AD, legalized the enslavement of the jizya and kharaj defaulters. His officials seized and sold these slaves in growing Sultanate cities where there was a great demand of slave labour.[195] The Muslim court historian Ziauddin Barani recorded that Kazi Mughisuddin of Bayanah advised Alā’ al-Dīn that Islam requires imposition of jizya on Hindus, to show contempt and to humiliate the Hindus, and imposing jizya is a religious duty of the Sultan.[196]

>In the late 14th century, mentions the memoir of Tughlaq dynasty's Sultan Firoz Shah Tughlaq, his predecessor taxed all Hindus but had exempted all Hindu Brahmins from jizya; Firoz Shah extended it over all Hindus.[197][198] He also announced that any Hindus who converted to Islam would become exempt from taxes and jizya as well as receive gifts from him.[197][199] On those who chose to remain Hindus, he raised jizya tax rate.[197]

Which is why they charge it even in peace time

>It doesn't "rustle" me, I just don't see anything wrong with gender inequality because I'm not a feminist.

You think its good that a womans word is worth half of a mans, that she deserves a smaller percentage of any inheritance and that she is lumped with being monogomous in heaven whilst her husband gets numerous "partners". You can disagree with this stuff without being a bra burning single mother lover.

Can any of you discuss anything related to Islam other than muh terrorism?

>yeah nothing like good old fashioned extortion
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket

You understand that a state is by definition a protection racket and that taxation is by definition extortion, right?

The issue isnt so much terrorism as much as it is that Islam is extremely hostile to western people and values and that to accept it or tolerate it would require a sacrifice of those values.

I have no problem with Muslims bagging the West but I do when they lie about the compatibility and try and hide the issue under the same tired banner of "religion of peace"

There is no such thing as "western values", stop using this meaningless term.

You understand that a state is by definition a protection racket and that taxation is by definition extortion, right?

Yeah, so in Islamic societies they get a double hit for nothing else other than their beliefs. At least our states only tax us based on what we earn or own, not what we think

>There is no such thing as "western values", stop using this meaningless term.

Who would have imagined such a comment would pop up in a thread like this.

Taxing people based on what they think is actually better from a purely economic perspective than taxing people based on what they earn.

Name one predominantly Islamic country that has adopted classical liberal values without resorting to memes like Qatari slave labor, Somalian warlords or ISIS's gold coins.

>Taxing people based on what they think is actually better from a purely economic perspective than taxing people based on what they earn.

You say these things yet get surprised when people say Islam is not compatible with western values.

>Do you admit?
Do Genghis Khan create Utopia that even the Christians and Jews livelihood becomes way way better than during Roman?

>KKK
>Crusade
They kill in the name of Christ

>zero in Christians society
I admire that you can say that with a straight face

There is no such country, so what?

I'm not a Muslim. Again, stop using the term "western values" if you want to be taken seriously.

>Westen values
Not that user, but what is Obamacare?

>Do Genghis Khan create Utopia that even the Christians and Jews livelihood becomes way way better than during Roman?

He certainly did and made things even better in central Asia and Northern Asia not to mention China.

>They kill in the name of Christ
Correction they "killed" in the name of Christ. Its pretty sad that the best examples you have are from almost 1000 years ago and a group that took 150 years to do what Muslims have done in 10.

>I admire that you can say that with a straight face

Feel free to prove me wrong

>I'm not a Muslim. Again, stop using the term "western values" if you want to be taken seriously.

I didnt say you were, only that such a question is pretty expected in a thread like this.

Western values are a combination of Christian and individualist morality of the enlightenment.

A program that requires a person to buy private health insurance from companies which cannot refuse them + government assistance to make it workable on a large scale.

You know, the Quran is really boring to read in English, and I never got the sense of poetry that muslims say is present in it. But I've got a digital version with an audio recitation and it really is beautiful and made reading the passages a lot easier.

I'm not a muslim but I think I now understand how the book can be so influential on a personal level. Because translations only preserve the content which is, no offense, just endless repetitions of praising Allah and the odd moral message.

still mudslimes get triggered by nudes
baka

Noones imbracing islam,its just that more muslim refugees are coming over,the rest stays non-religius,agnostic,atheist.This whole medieval idea of religeuos conquest is just as retarded as the racewar.

no one embraces Islam, its just that you refugees refuse to assimilate and that you are allowed to practice your barbaric religion and tradition within our lands

Not that user but do you really want to show gentalia to public?

>It's art
I can also argue the same about hentai

>did even better
The Muslims and Jews practices are forbidden. Yeah, truly religious freedom and much better than Islamic Golden Age.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire

>"killed"
Apparently, they also killed civilians. In the name of Christ.

reference.com/history/many-people-died-crusades-4483019b5f8684c5#

>prove me wrong
discovermagazine.com/2008/sep/06-burned-at-the-stake-for-believing-in-science

Ayy lmao

Does it aligns with western values?

>that pic
I never understood this guy's meme.
Is he actually this retarded, or is it just /pol/ distorting his opinions like the comics guy?

Not that user, the non-Muslim are exempted from military duties(which only the Muslim carries)

and exchange for the suppliance of poor non-Muslim.

>double hit
Not necessarily, the Muslim have to pay Zakat, while the non-Muslim doesn't.