>want to kill the jews >can't just murder them on the spot >have to transport them all across Europe to death camps >provide bedding, food, and new clothing for them while they stay to eventually get killed >can't be lined up and shot into one large grave either >have to be be put into a gas chamber room to kill them all at once >then proceed to drag all the dead bodies into cremation ovens to then burn them one by one
Isn't it more likely that these camps were for rounding up the Jews for eventual deportation from German land? I mean they couldn't just send them to another country without starting a migrant conflict with neighboring countries
2 Jews died every minute for 6 years 24-7-365. Each was burned in an oven for 1.5hrs until they were ash.
Easton White
>then burn them one by one You just denied the holocaust
Michael Ramirez
They did just shoot them in death squads, but it took too long and was psychological torture on the men actually doing it. They all broke under it and even Himmler threw up (the russians who comitted the Katyn Massacre went through something similar. Most of them ended up killing themselves)
So in 1942, they formed the whole system of herding jews into ghettos which acted as holding stations, then shipped them off to camps as needed.
If you are going to commit a genocide in secret, you cant just start wasting them in the middle of Berlin. At least learn the official narrative before you deny it.
>Isn't it more likely that these camps were for rounding up the Jews for eventual deportation from German land?
No. Ask yourself this, why would they even have a bunch of ovens to cremate bodies at some of these camps unless they were expecting a bunch of casualties? Why would they send out death squads to shoot a million of them at first? Why would they be writing reports about castrating them and experimenting on them?
Also, why would Hitler and the nazis produce a propaganda film called "The Eternal Jew" that ends with Hitler saying he will destroy the jewish race in europe?
Henry Morris
American power hour is in full swing, I see.
Cameron Howard
>can't just murder them on the spot You can, and did, for most of 1941. But then, after 6 months of this sit, you start to realize logistical problems. First off, the Jews are getting onto you, and that means they're scattering into the woods and joining partisans which there's a fuckload of. You were supposed to be done fighting in the east after a few weeks, but instead you have the largest land war ever fought on your hands. These dudes in the hills and swamps are, to say the least, a problem.
Second, as it turns out, you have human beings under your command, not jew killing robots. Most of these guys are draftees, and not ideologically sound to begin with. They probably voted for communist or socialist parties back when they were allowed to, and remember when Hitler was just some prick. Hell, some of them remember when they fought together with Jews in the first world war. But on top of that, even if they hate jews, there's certain things the human brain can't handle AND also function in a modern society. "Don't murder people" is pretty high on the list "Don't murder old people and children who aren't fighting back and are begging you not to" is super high up. Soldiers kill loads of people, but, here's the key thing: they're trained to do it under certain circumstances by disconnecting it from murder. It's like training a dog. You have to teach him "Don't Bark" and "Bark" at the same time, so you can turn it on and off. Humans do really badly when made to kill constantly. tl;dr in this section, your soldiers are drunk off their ass at 11 in the morning, stealing shit, and punching their officers because they hate this routine.
>provide bedding, food, and new clothing for them while they stay to eventually get killed If they're able to work. Slavery, as Archer has taught us, is pretty awesome. It's free labor. So you might as well get that out of them as cheaply as you can, and save some gas.
>can't be lined up and shot into one large grave either
Camden Anderson
Holocaust makes so much sense.
And i am not sarcastic because that would be ilegal in my country :^)
Cooper Diaz
why would they tell everyone they will kill jews on site if they are out of their cages? Not only that, they will kill anyone who attempts to help them if all they were doing is just exporting them?
Lincoln Nelson
>can't be lined up and shot into one large grave either Let's say you did that. You know, 6 million people are antsy, so let's give them elbow room of 3 feet across, each. That's 5486 kilometers. In order to do that, roughly, you need a trench running from Paris to Astana, in Kazakhstan. Be sure to coordinate your watches, because Astana is 5 timezones off.
Might be hard getting the Panzers supplied that far.
>then proceed to drag all the dead bodies into cremation ovens to then burn them one by one Hey, that's where the jews your feeding and providing shelter to come in. Force them to shovel the corpses of their loved ones into the ovens, so that they can stay alive a little bit longer. Easy Peasy, lemon squeezy.
Gabriel Reed
>They all broke under it and even Himmler threw up (the russians who comitted the Katyn Massacre went through something similar. Most of them ended up killing themselves) Is this really true? Any sources for that?
David Brown
yeah. It was a love letter from Himmler to his wife and he said he couldnt stop throwing up when he visited SS men executing a bunch of jewish people.
And in the documentary "Behind Closed Doors" an old Russian veteran who was involved with the Katyn thing talked about how sick he was when he saw his commanding officer walk in wearing rubber gloves and boots and an apron as if he was about to slaughter pigs. And how all the men he knew who did the actual killings became horrible alcoholics and/or killed themselves not too long after that.
John Young
Some Nazis didn't see Jews as people and a lot had no problem shooting them. This is false
Also Himmler didn't even like the sight of blood not the mass murder of Jews you imbecile.
Easton Reed
>be a people (in)famous for being efficient >somehow we had all the Jews in death camps >we let them live for unknown reasons >they later give testimony evidence of seeing millions of dead kike bodies
Easton James
>Also Himmler didn't even like the sight of blood
what a pussy. So much for the strong aryan supermen meme.
And no, the death squads were notorious for being drunk and depressed and the whole reason they stopped that in favor for the camps was in part due to them breaking down mentally.
Luis Rogers
>nazis
>efficient
this meme needs to stop. they were bumbling sycophantic bureaucrats
Anthony Jenkins
>efficient >literally had to rely on millions of horses and donkeys to transport supplies like a 3rd world nation You got me going there for a second.
Hudson Reyes
Ordinary Men by Christopher Browning also covers it pretty thorough details. He managed to find extensive interviews and records of a Reserve Police Battalion actually dedicated to the task of killing Jews. They actually had no fear talking about it to interviewers, because they all felt like victims rather than perpetrators.
Luke Harris
They none the less showed no sympathy for (((them)))
Jose Flores
sure thing LARPer.
Nolan Flores
The Einsatzgruppen had the task of going behind the Wehrmacht and rounding up undesirables for execution, often just marching them outside whatever city they were in and shot them in a ditch/river.
This took too long, wasted bullets and manpower scurrying all around Eastern Europe to do this, and the soldiers themselves protested this and many were driven into suicidal depression from just rounding up unarmed people and killing them every day.
A Massacre like Katyn was bad enough on the psyche of NKVD officers, having to do the same every day for over a year will easily break any man.
The camps were seen as a work-till-you-die factory, squeeze whatever usefulness they could out of their enemies by producing steel and war material until they died from starvation and exhaustion. There were full on extermination camps to just kill off those who couldn't perform physical labor, but the grand majority of victims simply starved or collapsed from work exhaustion.
Every extermination option the Germans chose was hell for the victims, but physically carting people off and shooting them in a river or ditch wore down people's mental state to the point where it had to be called off to keep those performing the executions from going insane.
Levi Gutierrez
>want to kill the jews They wanted to kill the Jews AND win the war, which is largely done with production. So it was a really good idea to use them for slave labor producing supplies which would kill many of them eventually and only kill the weak ones first. >can't just murder them on the spot >have to transport them all across Europe to death camps Are you retarded? Why would killing a massive amount of people in big cities be easier? They could hide easily or form pockets of resistance, not to mention that a lot of locals would feel sympathetic and would try to help them. It makes much more sense to trick the Jews to follow you by telling them they will be interned and that they will be safe if they cooperated, and then kill them when you have them under guard. >provide bedding, food, and new clothing for them while they stay to eventually get killed See the first point. >can't be lined up and shot into one large grave either >have to be be put into a gas chamber room to kill them all at once No, because 1. they could run away more easily 2. ammo is needed more on the front 3. even SS guards hate constantly shooting unarmed people, so they needed to find a more impersonal way for killing. >then proceed to drag all the dead bodies into cremation ovens to then burn them one by one False, they were cremated 3-4 at a time (unless they used open air cremation where they burned even more corpses at once).
Jace Sullivan
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Daniel Cox
>coffins why would the Nazis put all the Jews they killed inside coffins? what, they wanted to do a genocide but they wanted to give everyone a funeral?
lol try something less fake cuck.
Aiden Perez
honestly cant tell if this is bait or an actual stormfag
Joseph Hill
The holohoax is fake and gay.
Landon Anderson
Camps were set up next to factories to provide slave labor.
Hudson Perry
I read and researched this book. Absolutely banal, these men. Chilling, their orders. They fell apart many times.
Henry Lewis
It's definitely bait
Wyatt Morris
Very good model of how it happened. I crunched the numbers on the Rape of Nanking, and found it made the most sense there, too.
Grayson Hall
You don't understand OP, the Jews are not actually the problem. I grew up in Broward County, Florida, which has more Jews than anywhere else in the world except and Israel, and these kids are redpilled as fuck. The problem is communist ideology. Focus your efforts on that, not on some harmless jewish kids who made holocaust jokes in class back in HS (because they knew our teacher couldn't do shit about it lol).
Christopher Taylor
I just want the commie bastards who tortured my great-grandfather and the fascist bastards who slaughtered my other grandfather to die. Is that really too much to ask?
Can't you Stalinists and Nazis just take a nice running leap off the top of Mt. McKinley? You cause nothing but pain for the world.
Landon Williams
You know that they just straight up shot plenty of Jews, right?
Thomas Wright
Official historians do not align WWII with the Holocaust.
> meme histories incoming
Cameron Collins
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Lucas Fisher
>I just want the commie bastards who tortured my great-grandfather and the fascist bastards who slaughtered my other grandfather to die. they're dead most likely
time to forget, emotionally at least
my great grandfather was a kulak, though not in russia, so he wasn't straight up shot but sent to a labor camp, i have other family members die to turks in rebellions earlier all those people are gone forever, user
Nolan Davis
I've seen this Simpsons episode (intl waters), but I don't understand the reference. Pls explain reference, am very drunk
>they're dead most likely >time to forget, emotionally at least
Raul is still alive. His cronies are still. Some of my dumber Cubans cousins in the Keys, the anglos in Dallas, the full-blooded Cubans in Havana and Santiago....they are a live too, and I love them, but they're so very wrong.
>all those people are gone forever, user
Bisabuelo Emiliano is gone for ever. So is Bisabeula Elena (well not physically, but she's 101 and her mind went like 3 years ago). Abuelo Victor y Abuela Carmen are alive, well, conscious, and intelligent, (at the ripe old age of 80, god bless our genes). So are my great aunts and uncles, their cousins, my cousins, my dad's cousins, my father and aunt who left Cuba when there 6/8.....this isn't some long-gone period of history. It's still in living memory, and we have the chance to fix it.
William Walker
Whaaaaaa muh family business
Asher Lewis
>family business
My grandfather unloaded boxes off of ships, my grandmother taught little kids grammar and math in school....I'm not sure what family business you're talking about. I'm not a Marco Rubio-type guy, whose rich as fuck parents fled to America in '58-'59, my ancestors were simply ordinary Cubans who had no interest in sticking around for the torture and oppression, and decide to jump ship in 1964.
Alexander Harris
>this so fucking much Jew yorkers are the worst.
Jaxon Thompson
I don't know about you fucks, but it's all out of towners bringing that shit in here.
Brayden Thompson
>This kills the Wehraboo
Easton Torres
Speaking of how mass murder drives people nuts...
Anyone got any research on how the mass rape and massacre of Germans at the end of the war impacted returning Russian veterans?
While I imagine shooting down fleeing pregnant women with your SVT-40 while your comrades take bets on whether you can kill both mother and child with one shot or busting your load inside a screaming 13 year old German girl your squadmates are holding down and poking with bayonets was immensely satisfying at first, it probably wasn't as much as time went on and you started to see Germans as people again and not as subhuman caricatures.
Ryan Lee
I always found this fucking weird. If you want to kill all Jews just round them up behind town, kill them and dump them into the ground, there's no need to transport them across 4 countries to a camp where they semi-starve for the next 5 years. It just seems completely illogical and wasteful, I thought Germans were supposed to be efficient.
Jacob Long
>there's no need to transport them across 4 countries to a camp where they semi-starve for the next 5 years
The Germans were shipping the victims to Poland because it was both home to the largest Jewish population in all of Europe (1 in 3 Holocaust victim were Poles) and out of the eyes and reach of the Western Allies. If the Germans had just started killing Jews in plain sight en masse in Occupied France or the Netherlands, the Allies would have been compelled to intervene (either with air strikes or even commando raids). In Occupied Poland on the other hand, it was both easier to carry out such a policy in secret (the General Government had near total control of the media) and Allied intervention was virtually impossible (Auschwitz was out of range of all but the largest British and American strategic bombers and surveillance aircraft, the other camps were completely out of range altogether).
Zachary Johnson
>where they semi-starve for the next 5 years
Average life expectancy in a concentration camp (assuming you didn't get gassed on day one) was four months, even less so if you were Sonderkommando (entire units were routinely murdered and replaced with fresh "recruits" to make sure evidence of German atrocities remained a secret).
It was inefficent, yes, but not as illogical as you make it out to be
Noah Scott
Didn't the Nazis originally plan to deport the jews from their Reich, then when no one wanted them they decided they'll take them all to Siberia once they conquer it, then they realized what a logistical mess that would be and had trouble beating the Russians so they finally decided to just kill them all?
Angel Peterson
>compelled to intervene Yeah because the Allies wouldn't bomb them otherways. Out of all the stupid arguments I've read in this thread this has to be the dumbest one.
Anthony Sullivan
Jews went into the camps not knowing what to expect. Some them probably expected deportation. If they just rounded up jews and killed them, word would reach the jews not yet rounded up. They'd probably revolt immediately in any territory conquered.
Chase Cruz
They wanted to deport them either to Palestine or to Madagascar.
Adrian Allen
>14 american PoW >88 surviving prisoners >14 >88 >1488
you dont just kill people in the middle of a town or heavily populated area and dispose of the bodies and expect to keep it secret user. Also, some of those camps were death camps. People were shipped there specifically to kill them ALL on arrival and then throw their bodies into giant pits and burn them. Operation Reinhardt killed ~2 Million people.
It was so brutal that an SS officer tried to leak information of the holocaust to the Swedish Government.
Jeremiah Foster
>but I don't understand the reference. Pls explain reference, am very drunk
Its implying that everyone on Veeky Forums is just laughing and enjoying the show of watching commieboos and naziboos fight and shitpost against each other as if they were monkies
Kevin Campbell
>The six hundred and sixty six POWs...
Adam Green
>want to kill the jews >can't just murder them on the spot >"hey let's just litter the streets with corpses
Jeremiah Mitchell
the younger version of the guy looks like a generic male character by junji ito
Colton Jenkins
>Colonel Robert E. Hogan
Jace Cruz
you guys missed the biggest one
Carson Butler
Wasn't (((Gerstein))) murdered by his SS comrades after it was revealed he had ratted them out?
Kayden Watson
Not even close. He killed himself while in Allied custody after he wrote a report coming clean about everything he saw.
