Was Hitler on the left or right of the political spectrum? In school we always learned he was a right-winged fascist, but for some reason the media calls him a left socialist.
I know he led the whole "National Socialist" party, but wasn't he very against communism? Didn't he come to power and fight the SU on that principle? Why do people keep saying he's a leftist? Or am I getting this wrong?
Though didn't he also dictate the German economy to suit the state's needs? Is that a socialist thing, or totalitarian in general?
>I know he led the whole "National Socialist" party, but wasn't he very against communism? Didn't he come to power and fight the SU on that principle? Why do people keep saying he's a leftist? Or am I getting this wrong?
So many contemporary conservatives were either cheer-leading for him or in bed with him so the whole thing became rather embarrassing after the camps were liberated and it was impossible to pretend what the Nazis were really doing.
>Though didn't he also dictate the German economy to suit the state's needs? Is that a socialist thing, or totalitarian in general?
The key operating principle of conservative political economy is "pro-business" and not laissez-faire.
>every past system has to be associated with one american political party or i won't understand it
Charles Collins
Depends on how you define socialism. If you define it as welfare and government programs, then Hitler was a socialist. If you define socialism as big authoritarian government, then Hitler exemplified that as well. If you define socialism as worker control over the means of production, then I don't believe Hitler was a socialist.
Juan Green
The left and right political spectrum aren't solely an American party creation. What the hell are you talking about?
Jaxson Rodriguez
>In school we always learned he was a right-winged fascist
Man, your school was bad.
National SOCIALIST Party.
What gives it away that he was a lefty? Maybe the fact that he was a socialist?
Granted, when you get as batshit crazy as the Nazi's and the Communists, 'left' or 'right' sort of blur together into 'totalitarian'.
Totalitarianism is bad, m'kay?
Grayson Jones
you had to join chambers of every sector big and small companies, workers and company owners everyone it is pretty much socialism, they seize the means of production but the state (which is btw the volk) can and will tell you how and what you will do if they see it fit
Nolan Myers
It's a buttblasted leaf or frog who is so desperate to feel superior and relevant that reading comprehension no longer matters. Don't bother responding to folks like him.
Brandon Thomas
>Holy >Roman >Empire
>Democratic >People's >Republic >Of Korea
Joshua Butler
and /thread
Xavier Lopez
It's telling how poor education is that people think he was remotely left wing.
What do you mean you had to join chambers of every sector?
How did the government seize the means of production? Did they steal privately-owned things and give it to government employees or did they just tax the original owners?
Lincoln Hall
>implying an anonymous blog spot works somehow as a proof
Robert Butler
its because you are a retarded american like many others on this board where left wing means batshit crazy liberals, suck negro cock and globalization and weeehaay actual left policies are completely different, but thanks to you shitstains, its also almost completely gone fuck you and your retardation
Chase Ward
I believe he is referring to the DAF/RAD corporatist system
Thing is, in Nazi Germany it wasn't even implemented properly.
Justin Murphy
>socialist He obly used that term to appeal to workers. He actually privatized a lot of public business.
Hunter Gonzalez
>they seize the means of production No, they did not. Stop making shit up.
Sebastian Harris
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Nathaniel Lewis
>acting so triggered Not him but he is right. Asking whether the Nazis were left or right is literally stupid. And the only argument on the table is >the name >. That's it.
Jace Price
chamber of agriculture chamber of banks chamber of lawyers chamber of steel production etc etc etc if you have a job,a company you were part of a chamber these chamber regulate everything they wish through legislation the government hands to them its the corporative model of fascism basicly the state doesnt own the company just have the legal ability, to completely control it
Charles Bennett
thats because you are uneducated peasant who reads pol as source kill yourself along with other retards, fucking shits
Josiah Bennett
>chamber of steel production >literally making shit up wile ignoring punctuation
Jace Jenkins
I am actually a PhD student of contemporary German history who read more books last year than you in your entire life.
Aaron Perez
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Carter Green
H was neither right-wing nor left-wing, he was radically anti-centrist
Dylan Rivera
>radically anti-centrist >chill with Hindenburg >strengthen the Wehrmacht >chill with Krupp, Hugo Boss and Quandt There is a reason the SA was mad at him.
Andrew Bennett
fascism was an unholy reconciliation between various worker movements rooted in internationalist sympathies and far right wingers that wanted to abolish liberal democracy and sometimes restore the monarchy or at least hand power over to an absolute autocrat it was literally billed as radical centrism how many times do I have to tell you plebs this
Austin Reyes
>american education
maybe read actual books instead of fiction
Robert Jackson
I haven't been in the states in 10 years. I was born and educated in Germany. No idea why I trigger you so hard bruh.
Zachary Gonzalez
Also I can't remember the last time I read fiction. In my free time I prefer popular history book on subjects I am not familiar with (like Tom Holland or something). Stop wasting digits please.
Landon Perry
Hitler was more socialist than USSR.
Jose Ross
Don't try to find meaning in any politician they flip flop on everything
Andrew Clark
Center-left
Bentley Smith
>National SOCIALIST Party.
This was the name of his fucking party.
Here the definition of Socialism:
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production
Now stop talking about stuff you clearly don't understand.
Adam Torres
this honestly.
Daniel Sanders
he was on the spectrum, but not the political one
Anthony Torres
>implying you have anything other than a weak appeal to authority.
And this is why you should never leave /pol/, it's a containment board for retards like you
Easton Price
Societal right Economical left
Isaac Nguyen
Right. The only retards that say he's left are austrian/american """libertarians""" who are on a quest to create a parallel orwellian language.
Aaron Gomez
reminds me of someone but I can't put my finger on it
kek of the thread
Logan Jenkins
>conservative on religious purity >conservative on racial purity >mass deregulations >full on privatizations Sounds like typical conservative/republican wet dream.
Joseph Anderson
Great post mate
Nathan Young
True Fascism is and always was the radical centre.
No watch as leftyshits and conservashits try to deny this.
Ethan Hernandez
>radical center
Nonexistent, enjoy living a lie stormfag.
You are either support private enterprise or you do not.
"I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative." - Adolf Hitler
Owen Lee
Yes there can be no third way you're either with us or with the communi--- err capitalists goy.
Camden Morgan
someone animate this where each thought bubble is being imagined by the previous version in a never-ending cycle
James Reyes
Fascism is third position >ameritards will disagree with me
Ethan Jackson
>national socialism begins and ends with Hitler
Jaxon Robinson
>revive a long purged faction to try and court leftists to your cause *vomit* >make a lot of really shitty macros that I could've created in 2008 on /b/
Noah Brown
>implying left/right has anything to do with private property >another Marxtard autistically screeching because people ignore Marxist definitions
Dominic Mitchell
Only German leftists.
Cooper Gonzalez
>national socialism should be defined by a man who ignored the socialist part Kike pls
Jeremiah Ross
>complains about old memes while posting *asterisk verb*
Brayden Turner
>w-we're not trying to defend our shitty 2008 /b/ tier propaganda to convert leftists, honest!
my only question is WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Ethan Ramirez
Are you Jewish?
Liam Murphy
why would you ever want to convert leftists?
Nathan Lee
>ashamed to admit his kikery TYPICAL TRICKS THERE MERCHANT
There is no socialism without nationalism and vice versa.
Lincoln Butler
>nazbol >everyone who asks me a question is jewish
Robert Price
you are a classically brain washed american
>labels tell me how to think Now i understand, that's why you scream about transgender people so much!
Julian Watson
this was and is appropriating the popular work culture of germany but labelling it and establishing a government entity directing production
it is now large scale corporations guiding with negotiation from large scale trade unions - like most of the most productive european countries
re: denmark, germany, france
Zachary Butler
>*vomit*
William Rivera
>he thinks Rohmism is nazbol Working class is nationalist by nature, it's only deracinated PUE who push internationalist communism instead of national socialism because it serves Jewish interests.
Ethan Gonzalez
>*vomit* Leave this board immediately and fuck off back to riddit
Cameron Roberts
>nazbol trying to claim special snowflake status
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
here's your last reply
Lucas Sanchez
>redefining a well established meme to justify your insane belief in a centrist conspiracy you realize that centrist policies are the ones most easily established in your garbage 2 party state right?
that no other democracy operates so insidiously undemocratically? that minority coalitions in other countries can get any sorts of weird small-group policies in?
american need gulags for the insane
Sebastian Rogers
Pretty accurate And then he purged the left faction to get brownie points with the German elite
Thomas Williams
But I am a fascist, faggot.
Justin Parker
>"i troll you" ancap-statist masquerading as a braindead libertarian holy shit KYS
large capital has state like qualities regardless of what it's fucking label is
god damn i bet you work below 3 managers saying fuck the other plebs who didn't make it without any irony
Thomas Walker
We had them, but Carter + Reagan dismantled the asylum system.
Carter Davis
And I'm not American.
Xavier Flores
>ancap >libertarian What are you going on about you delusional kike? Libertarianism is a Jew ideology.
Robert Hall
you don't even know what kind of fascism you align with
you've just been brain washed by your jew media into thinking the rich are so far superior in planning and decision making that there should be no negotiation/cohercive elements to reign them in
basically you're looking for corporate hand-me-downs, which is the most subversive and disgusting value system in modern america
you realize that a fascist regime is necessarily globalist, right? because market spaced and forex
holy fuck your country is hilarious
you can't turn back the clock on the world; if trump started Wall Street would scream and break him
Xavier Watson
>reddit spacing
Liam Hernandez
bill and reagan wasn't it?
Levi Allen
>everybody I dislike is a Yank Holy strawman Batman.
Lucas Murphy
what the hell ? so you're just a wannabe fascist without an ideology looking for a "strong man" to scream like an ape - just like you'd want to be able to do if you were a diplomatic leader
fucking brain dead - you're still getting taxed but now your taxes will be used to subsidize the very rich jew libertarians you hate so much
your only chance was to break up the banks and slowly reign in spending and the speculative fintech system - bernie woulda tried and then you could have laughed as america fell apart
now you'll be screaming
Benjamin Anderson
Apparently it's easier to read on phones Fucking faggots
Kevin Mitchell
i dont reddit - phones suck - but why do you even care?
classic stormfronter with nothing to say
Ian Evans
if you're a fascist you're 9/10 a yank; other 1/10 is UK retards screaming about the EU
Adrian Ortiz
I'm a national socialist.
Nathan Davis
i'm only here to laugh at wannabe fascists
if you aren't in the army you aren't a fucking fascist...
Jacob Robinson
I'm a Russian
Caleb Gray
>American LARPing as a Russian now that it's cool to do so
LEL timestamped passport or GTFO
Elijah Morris
you subscribe to what kind of fascism chump? how would you mediate power structures that regulate industr-govnmt coalitions? do you believe in hegemonic or isolationist policies? those are the only pertinent questions, and one is fucking stupid in the 21rst century
that you believe in welfare-state spending is literally meaningless
Jeremiah Cooper
Butthurt pshek spotted
Xavier Young
so, what do you believe in ? your country is literally owned by a cabal of Putin-free fly oligarchs, so i am interested in your views on fascism
Austin Gray
Fuck off kikelord.
Joseph Robinson
friendly*-free fly
also, specify re: your financial industry
i know a few dudes who are doing great in russia, but if it weren't for the mass exodus from your country you'd be suffering from stalin-era mass deaths :3
John Flores
what the fuck are you even saying retard
(that's rhetorical just go back to pol and spew memes vaguely related to ideology)
Leo Bell
>pol Go back
Jason Morales
it was a garbage thread and i'm always glad to crush stuff mods won't
Brody Kelly
>pol Why does Veeky Forums attract so many phoneposting newfaggots
Cooper Mitchell
>pol
James Ortiz
So you're just saying Hitler was playing 1244563452D chess?