Is western civilization

the only civilization in the world that has a large members of its own population actively hate its own culture..

I'm talking about the things i learned listening to people in college always downplaying the accomplishments of western civilization

>Greece "stole" from Egypt and other near east civilizations
> Newton was not a good scientist, Egyptian scientists were better
> Kant was a cis white male heteropatriarchy defender
>western civilization is just conquest and rape


these are a few of the many things i have heard at college about this topic

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there are a great deal of educated middle easterners who are irreligious & think their culture is backwards and stupid. Especially in Iran

Barbara spectra isn't a westerner. though. She's a Jew living in the West. Jews never lost their asiatic character or Europhobia.

All though the amount of actual Westerners who buy ethnomasochistic principals is staggering.

>he fell for the "a lot of Iranians are secular and share Western values" maymay

asian here, used to be pretty much the same though it recently going back in reverse now

also they're never as paranoid as western leftist, they just preferring modernisation of certain values without the western racial stuff

the western leftist is just a pathetic creature

As mentioned there are a lot of secular people in the middle East, zapadniki in Rus, kemalists in Ottoman Empire and shitload of thirdworlders who adopted western values.

>Greece "stole" from Egypt and other near east civilizations
Correct, the rest are strawmen

We really need a wall to protect us from polish immigrants btw

the Han Chinese completely nuked their own culture for a laugh

Greece didn't "steal" anything

they were most likely influenced and adapted certain things (like all civilizations do)

but thats not the same as stealing, alot of greek philosophy, mathematics etc. was insular or uniquely Greek

I'm fully enbedded on the academy and I've never heard such claims. And academia here is pretty left leaned.

The biggest intellectual plague is the idea that everything has formed in a bubble. Like some sort of impassable barrier existed between Europe, Asia and Africa during the ancient world. It leads to incorrect sediments like "Christianity is a Jewish religion that was imposed upon Europeans, everything Greek applies to all Europeans, ect." The truth is that all civilizations formed thanks to cultural diffusion between multiple groups of people and the exchange of ideas.

Part of this phenomena is blowback from the excess of globalism, egalitarianism, internationalism, and cosmopolitanism in our lifetime. While I understand it, I'm against it because it leads to a poor understanding of history.

>has a large members of its own population actively hate its own culture..

yes, nietzsche call that out all the time

Not even the whole "Western civ is conquest and rape" thing? I don't think that anyone can fail to see that, and I'm certainly not as embedded as you.

From my own experiences, it seems to me that most of the people who are so self hating tend to be either extremely compassionate or manipulative. The compassionate ones buy in whole sale into western liberal philosophies about equality and fairness, but stop short of actually learning critical thinming and so develop a guilt complex when they learn about the violent or shameful things commited by western cultures in the past. They take on personal responsibility for crimes commited by people they had zero say in being associated with (sins of the father). The other types see it as a way to exercise a degree of influence over others and fall in love with perceived moral authority granted to them by what they see as a vehicle to right past injustices by commiting new injustices. Truthfully group dynamics and a lack of individual awareness seem to be more respinsible for this latest fad of antiwestern thought than any sort of academic merit their platforms seem to possess.
T. Current college boy

"Or it's an age of degeneration, In which case it hates everything that justifies itself, solely as being the outcome of a plenitude or superabundance of strength "

Steal was not used literally, thus the "" meme. Although the fact we atribute Pythagorean theorem to Pythagoras, a Greek, would fit the literal sense.

If you are going to attack ancient greece because muh evil west it's far easier to say something like it was really ancient turkey. saying ancient white people were 'stealing' theories is a really odd cheap shot style move

>hate its own culture
Depends on what you define as "it's" culture, considering that most of the cultural references that are presented to the population are inforced by the burgeois as being representative of what it's like to be "civilized". Fashion, music and lifestyle is not representative of the desire of the people, but rather imposed by the ruling class as patterns to be followed. Cultural manifestations change based on the economic interests of the elite, and the supposed "uniqueness" and "individual identity" ideas presented by fashion are intrinsecally related to a lack of substance, and a never ending existential void. That's what the people hate, not their traditions.
I suggest you study the relation between the romanticism movement and the industrial revolution, representing the enforced abandoning of tradition and an enforced loss of connection of society to itself, creating an existential void that could only be defeated by nostalgia of a fantastic imaginary time.

Not him, but to me it seems most of these views are spread by fringe academics who are isolated in their actual school but manage to gain a following among internet connected radical students who then go on to make stump speeches and protests. Doesn't seem all that different from other movements like Afrocentrism, alt right conservatism, or even Islamism.

tired marxist rant is tiring

when are you guys going to move on from that stuff

The Pythagoras proof was known in other cultures before

but its called the Pythagoran theorem because he was the first to actually "PROVE" it

The goyish mindpussy is MADE for Jewish schlong

you'd figure Jews have hit the sweet spot where they'd be boot lickers trying to defend their positions of wealth and support for Israel instead they're stirring shit up and destroying Western nations with multiculturalism

Is having Berlin crawling with salafist mosques really gonna help you?

wtf is your end game Jews?

1. Undermine the host society until the host society gets sick of it and forces them out
2. Engage in revisionism so it looks like you beat the host oppressor society and escaped slavery, why did they persecute us so? Truly because we are a light unto the world
3. Find new society. Trick them into letting you in (China)
4. ???
5. Restart swindling

What's the point

They have a good thing going

Yeah yeah bourgeoisie cultural imposition, everyone REALLY wants to wear 3 shades of overalls and stand in line for a food bag. THAT's what life is all about.
As a Venezuelan having to deal with your type's social experiments, I only wish you could experience socialism someday comrade ;)

>Christianity is gigantic in the west
>Pride is a sin
Really rumps your Trump
Jogging your noggin
Crunch the lunch

Hmm..it's almost like the motivations for are more than just ethnic. It's almost like there's a necessity to undermine domestic labor with imported foreign cheap labor.
It's almost like there's a different enemy behind this, which includes more than just Jews.

No it's always Jews. There's no rhyme or reason. They're disciples of kek after their God abandoned them during WW II.

You know. With all the conspiracies of Zionists controlling the world, you'd think she would be more subtle about promoting multiculturalism.

>As a Venezuelan having to deal with your type's social experiments
>socialism is when le government does stuff
Really gets the noggin jogging.

>> Kant was a cis white male heteropatriarchy defender
I mean he did literally say that men own their wives like property.

I want to choke that fucker to death

I don't think there is a "point". It's just how they do, it works, they're incapable of noticing hypocrisy or admitting to anything, they're neurotic as fuck, so they assume we'd genocide them all of they were honest, rather than going "oh, nice of you to tell us please return to Israel" and they know there's a always a new place to return to. I mean, it's gotta be comfy thinking of yourself as morally superior while you tear society apart and amass wealth. I know that feel. I've been into contemporary art and /pol/.
Basically, because it works.

its pointless to try to understand them

I certainly find it interesting. They're the most influential group of people in history.

Liberals don't hate western culture even if they claim otherwise, liberal culture is western as fuck. A real example of parts of the population of western civilisation that hate its culture would be any Muslims that live in a western country yet go on to commit an Islamic terror attack against it.
You could argue they're foreigners, but not if they've lived their whole lives in the west.

You reversed the gif you retarded commie leddit fag

dubs confirm

>elected a government that defends the right to private property
>expropriations everywhere

A single Jewish lady saying "Jews will having a leading role in multiculturalism" is not evidence of some vast Jewish conspiracy. Being a minority that existed in Europe for centuries, especially after the 20th century, they did have a role to play, just like black people did in the US.

>Greece "stole" from Egypt

All cultures take from earlier ones, so yes, they did take from Egypt. It's not stealing and I don't know any history student who seriously consider it that. Pic related: early Greek sculpture.

> Newton was not a good scientist, Egyptian scientists were better

Literally nobody says this. Here's an overtly SJW wiki to address your greentext leftist academic bogeyman.

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton
"Credited with revolutionary advances in classical mechanics, optics, and mathematics, he is rated as one of the most important and influential individuals in the history of science and mathematics."

Yeah, Newtonian physics was eventually displaced by relativity and quantum physics, but he's recognized as THE physicist.

Afrocentric claims about Egypt are also considered pseudoscience.
rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy#Black
"Black" is listed under "discredit views". Disregarding that, Egyptian conspiracy theories are mostly unrelated to race and it tends to be a magnet for bullshit.

>Kant was a cis white male heteropatriarchy defender

I don't know about Kant, but his Schopenhauer certainly was. Many historical "great men" were. As much as we should put bigotry into context, we must also recognize they had flaws, and many groups had life much worse than today because of it.

>western civilization is just conquest and rape

"Our"? Conquest and rape were a real part of Western history, as with others. It makes YOU feel cognitive dissonance because YOU identify with your ancestors. "We" did not conquer America. Saying we shouldn't criticize violence because of racial loyalty is a dangerous idea.