How did people became Shogun?

Im kinda interested in the way of feudalism in medieval Japan. Basically the emperor was just a puppet of the Shogun and he had all the power. But how did you became to be the Shogun? Does he get elected or is it always the son of the current Shogun who gets to be the next Shogun?

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Can you imagine how fucking miserable it must be to be Japanese? In any time period? Like fuck, that sucks

atleast they dont poo in the streets .

It was hereditary.

I've been here for two years, I'm not sure it's so much that their lives suck as it is Japanese culture doesn't really compute with western culture.
Like you hear about of salary men working long hours, but those dudes don't actually have to be competent at their job. As long as they're at work and cool with being average (which is most Japanese people) they can just coast through life. It's not the worst thing in the world.

First you'd need to be a samurai noble and a blood relative of the Emperor (no matter how strenuous that connection might be), secondly you'd need to be the current king shit of the fuck mountain that is Japan, so that the Emperor can be "persuaded" to make you Shogun, thus making your preeminent position official. Then you'd just have to find a way to stop anyone from getting too powerful to fuck with that position, and hope that your successors don't fuck up and let power slip away from them.

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I mean 80s and 90s seemed pretty comfy
It's a first world country can't be that bad

Why didn't people overthrow the emperor?

I mean if you wanted to become Shogun you'd literally have to fight and conquer the emperor's troops. You're already killing his men, why not kill him too?

>90s seemed pretty comfy
If you call "watching your entire world and economy crash into flames around you overnight" comfy, then sure.

They did. Emperors were assassinated so the new young Emperor could be groomed and controlled by whoever.

you don't overthrow an unbroken chain that connects the living to the very beginnings of your country.

Theres a reason the japs love tradition.

Because the Nips understood that the power behind the throne was better than overtly seizing it.

The emperor is a living god, a descedant of Amaterasu. Having the emperor's seal of approval gave you legitimacy. To even be Shogun you had to somehow trace your lineage back to the emperor.

That said, the emperor was basically the bitch of the Shogun. You either approve of this or you can fuck off "feeling ill" and I'll install your brother or cousin.

>Initially
Emperor: wow, man, you're like an awesome general. I appoint you Barbarian Conquering General.
>Eventually:
OH DEAR EMPEROR THIS CLAN WHO JUST HAPPEN TO BE OUR RIVALS ARE DEFYING YOUR RULE. PLEASE APPOINT US- A POWERFUL MILITARY CLAN WHO IS HIGHLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FICTION OF YOUR RULE- SHOGUN SO WE CAN DESTROY THEM AND PROTECT THE COUNTRY.

Hereditary.
The emperor was divinity up until the 20th century, user.

Just because your culture killed its god(s) much earlier does not mean another has to also.

There was no reason to. The emperor was powerless and killing him is unnecessary when you can use him for giving yourself legitimacy.

Are there any practical advantages to having a Shogunate system or was it just the result of Japan's previous situation and organically occurred

In the future, when all sorts of different colonies in space are trying to their own weird throwback governments, would there be any reason to try a Shogunate again or is the idea by nature fucking retarded outside of the context of medieval Japan?

What is the post WW2 sentiment about the divinity of the Emperor in Japan? Is it generaly considered LARPing or are there large pockets of genuine Shinto, Amaterasu worshipping believers who view him as a living kami?

The emperor had to renounce that claim and admit he was wholly human, I thought, as part of their surrender conditions

its fucking retarded inside of the context of medieval japan

A militarily or socially superior caste can always arise and take over de facto rule in a weak theocratic regime. It's called an Oligarchy.

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Aw, Akihito and Michiko look like they're cool to have a cup of tea with.

Why did a Shogun never merge his dynasty with the Emperors?

If your sons and daughters marry the emperors sons and daughters in a single generation you're both Emperor AND Shogun.

the political theater was completely unnecessary

>pooing in the streets
>bad
Only if you are the bloke who has to clean it up.

Yea but the funny thing is, apparently he announced it in a form of "old-japanese" that the majority of Japanese couldn't understand, only the higher educated ones.

It would be like an American president announcing he was gay in Latin.

The ruling class being hilariously out of touch with the common people is universal.

Like Marie Antoinette with the let them eat cake shit. She actually referred to a bread made with eggs which would still be something common people obviously wouldn't have if they can't get bread.

This is a good thread.

Marie Antoinette never said anything of the sort.

That line comes from Roussaeu's autobiography written in 1765. "d’une grande princesse à qui l’on disait que les paysans n’avaient pas de pain, et qui répondit: Qu’ils mangent de la brioche. "

>a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread, and who responded: "Let them eat brioche

Marie Antoinette was 9 years old at the time that was written.

If you have the biggest army, then you get to be the Shogun. Most armies are inherited, but no always.

Well, the propaganda worked.

You had to be powerful and remotely related to the emperor to be a legit shogun.