How would the world have looked if the French and American revolutions failed? Let's assume secularist...

How would the world have looked if the French and American revolutions failed? Let's assume secularist, deist and Freemasons essentially loose the culture war in this scenario.

We'd be a lot like Muslim countries, but with crosses instead of crescents.

How though? The various states of Europe didn't look like that even then.

Probably something similar to super-religious ex-communist countries like Poland.

The Dutch and British republics would still exist.

I imagine the trend would be a much more gradual trend toward constitutional monarchy, maybe some world wars between the constitutional monarchies and the absolute monarchies.

Do you think the nation state would have inevitably become a thing?

>British republics

yes

Nation states had been becoming a thing since the late middle ages, and the concept was solidified with the Peace of Westphalia, a good while before the enlightenment.

I'd assume less wars desu.

if the church was as influential as it should have been there would have been less ideological struggle and more ass kissing of the pope.

More cakes for the poor?

>starting a thread with this autistic unrelated image

wew

>Let's assume secularist, deist and Freemasons
Fuck sake, Veeky Forums.

It would be a paradise, and Europe would still be white.

A lot worse. Only fedoras think the French Revolution was in any way bad.

How was it in any way good? And weren't the fedoras pro-revolt?

Monarchies suck.

Because it paved the way for Napoleon and a lot of good reform. The Bourbon monarchy needed to go for something better.

Who told you to think that?

The homeless dude down the road.

Why did they lose though? Its not like the revolutions succeeded on a fucking coin flip. You don't just change 1 historical event and go off that as everything is interconnected.

The various states of Europe only didn't look like that because of the intellectual movements that ultimately culminated in the American and French revolutions.

Not really. Spain, Portugal, Poland, the various Italian city states weren't really Islamic theocracies with crosses instead of crescent.