Tbh there is nothing wrong with fucking children, animals or corpses

Tbh there is nothing wrong with fucking children, animals or corpses.

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>name references a communist
Of course.

I was checking out my groceries at walmart and the clerk was a really gay black gay. like really gay, wearing a candy necklace and he was really slow. it was like he was too busy being flamboyant to check out my fucking groceries and it took forever. it pissed me off. that's when I started hating gay people.

Could the progressive argument of "born this way be considered a variation of the naturalistic fallacy? It certainly is fallacious.

The opposition doesn't usually seek to blame someone for an incident of birth, they seek to point out pathologies, whether they are the result of choice or not.

Lol I don't think that means he's a communist

Do you think it was your deep hatred for black people that connected the dots there?

Transexualism is completely different to homosexuality.
Surgery is not proven to help the problem and actually makes suicide rates worse.
Most kids who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria stop believing it when they get older.
For sure these people do exist but the way they're carrying out their current push is fucking with a lot of normal kids.

this was way before I found /pol/

It's not just the right wing, it's the zeitgeist as a whole, including most of the left.

And it's not the naturalistic fallacy because the argument isn't it's natural therefore it's right. The argument is that no one has done anything wrong, therefore we should stop treating certain groups as lesser/bad/wrong/something else negative.

There's also an element of subjectivity in mental health classification, hence the troubles over transgenderism. But this one is pretty clear. These people are certainly mentally ill but we shouldn't hate them for it. Justice aside, it's just not practical. We want them to seek help so they are less of a risk.

You're Canadian aren't you

I've only ever seen people in transition or within years of it. They're positive as fuck about the whole just. They just go on about how much happier they are.

Do you have a source for rates of people changing their mind?

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18194003
This found only 12% had gender dysphoria when they were older. Not a huge sample size though but these people are not that common to be fair.

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
This found a higher rate in suicide.

>these people are not that common to be fair.

youd never know it tho

The first study has a very small sample size but is certainly interesting. The second is terrible news. I'm going to see if there have been any reviews including if later.

Let's assume that the findings of both studies are robust. Should we do more to socially discourage gender reassignment or, given the complexity of the issue and most people's lack of personal or academic understanding of it, should we remain positive and leave it to them and their psychologists?

My instinct is the latter. If for no other reason than to allow these people to move past their ostracism and deal with whatever the hell the gender thing is. If they are mistaken at least it will be their own mistake. The autonomy would probably be a significant enough win to make it worthwhile (apart from the statistical data to explain the issue in the future).

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So basically people with gender dysphoria who transition have increased suicide rates compared to people without gender dysphoria and don't transition.
Could we have a study which compares people with gender dysphoria who don't transition against those who do because the way that you're using the study is ridiculous.

Yeah, if it's against the general population then the study is ludicrous. You can't see the impact of the gender reassignment with that comparison.

You'll also see the often repeated statement that 'trans kids shouldn't have their genitals mutilated when they really need therapy and counselling' failing to recognise that in all major western countries that's exactly what happens. I'm honestly not sure if the posters of this shit are just ignorant useful idiots who have never read the study(it's always the same one with the same exact wording accompanying the post) or people who just have a religious hatred and intolerance for trans people.

>this is what leftypol shills want us to believe

>when they really need therapy and counselling' failing to recognise that in all major western countries that's exactly what happens.

The extent of that therapy and counselling and how much the current zeitgeist pressures the counselor to just go along with being forced to proscribe gender reassignment cannot be ignored. It's the same with people and antibiotics even if they don't have a bacterial infection - they just want something done NOW and pressure GPs to act.

Do you have any evidence on counsellors being unduly pressured to recommend surgery?

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